James McClean

cson · 13-01-2012 11:35pm

The success of McClean in making it for Sunderland [premature after a couple of games I know but for arguments sake lets say he does] can only be a good thing for the LOI and the ROI team - more revenue in the form of transfer fees for the former and more players playing at a higher level for the latter.

You don't have to be young and promising to get a move abroad either - look at Richie Ryan and Dundee United. He was quality for Sligo the last two seasons.

The success of Doyle, Long and hopefully McClean and Stevens across the water can only be a good thing for the LOI. It raises the profile of the league and it'd hopefully encourage more youngsters to stay here and learn their trade playing week in week out instead of rotting away in the Man Utd/Liverpool/Chelsea reserve and youth teams. Cases in point being Seamie Coleman.

I don't know the ins and outs of it so I'm not best placed to comment but I'd imagine that for the above to happen you'd need youth set ups that are tuned into that requirement specifically. Not saying you have to have them on a par with the big clubs across the water but surely something along the lines of Crewe would be possible? Not singling out Rovers for any reason but I'd have thought the Europa League money would be better spent building a structure and facility of that nature rather than on someone like Rohan Ricketts?

Crewe are a fantastic example of how to do it right; you only have to look at the players that have come out of there - Ashton, Murphy, Savage etc.

Anyway TL;DR = LOI players making it across the pond is good for LOI and National Team.

MD1990 · 04-02-2012 7:24pm

Scored the winner for Sunderland today

irish_man · 05-02-2012 12:30am

MD1990 wrote: »

Scored the winner for Sunderland today

Just saw it on MOTD there and it was a great goal. Trap please give him a shot in the pre-tournament friendlies!!!!

GLaDOS · 05-02-2012 12:31am

No reason he shouldn't get a chance in the friendlies imo, could be an interesting option for coming off the bench. Can't see it happening though.

Soups123 · 05-02-2012 12:38am

ScienceNerd wrote: »

No reason he shouldn't get a chance in the friendlies imo, could be an interesting option for coming off the bench. Can't see it happening though.

Agree with above, calls for him to be included in the Euro squad is premature but he should be given an opportunity in the friendlies to be considered

dreamers75 · 05-02-2012 1:18am

Soups123 wrote: »

Agree with above, calls for him to be included in the Euro squad is premature but he should be given an opportunity in the friendlies to be considered

he plays in the premier league in England. Thats good enough for me.

looking at our squad we could do with a few more playing in it.

Soups123 · 05-02-2012 1:22am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

Agree with above, calls for him to be included in the Euro squad is premature but he should be given an opportunity in the friendlies to be considered

he plays in the premier league in England. Thats good enough for me.

looking at our squad we could do with a few more playing in it.

He's played a few weeks in Prem under oNeill, no where near deserving of a place in Euro squad

eire4 · 05-02-2012 1:24am

MD1990 wrote: »

Scored the winner for Sunderland today

Great to see McClean flourish under O'Neill. I might also add Eoin Doyle scored the winner for Hibernian against Kilmarnock in the cup today as well which is good to see.

dreamers75 · 05-02-2012 1:26am

Soups123 wrote: »

He's played a few weeks in Prem under oNeill, no where near deserving of a place in Euro squad

Again thats more than most of our squad, have you seen our squad or this lad play ?

monkey9 · 05-02-2012 1:43am

Soups123 wrote: »

He's played a few weeks in Prem under oNeill, no where near deserving of a place in Euro squad

He's already done more than i've ever seen McGeady do!

dubmick · 05-02-2012 1:52am

He should be given a chance in the friendlies, I've been impressed with his strength and direct approach. He is very raw though but that can be worked on.

applehunter · 05-02-2012 3:31am

dubmick wrote: »

He is very raw though but that can be worked on.

Can you explain this to me.

In what way is he very raw?

Coillte_Bhoy · 05-02-2012 3:56am

monkey9 wrote: »

He's already done more than i've ever seen McGeady do!

And you watch a lot of russian football do you and were a regular follower of the spl?

Soups123 · 05-02-2012 9:39am

monkey9 wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

He's played a few weeks in Prem under oNeill, no where near deserving of a place in Euro squad

He's already done more than i've ever seen McGeady do!

No chance, seriously dont understand how someone with a knowledge of football can come to this conclusion. The lads had a good few weeks

Vokes · 05-02-2012 10:04am

I don't think McClean will make Trap's Euro squad unfortunately.

If we assume the makeup is 7 defenders, 8 midfielders and 5 forwards - and no injuries, then that 8th midfielder spot will be taken by either Fahey or Coleman for their versatility I reckon.

Whelan, Andrews, McCarthy, Gibson, Duff, McGeady, Hunt, Fahey/Coleman.

doomed · 05-02-2012 10:18am

Vokes wrote: »

I don't think McClean will make Trap's Euro squad unfortunately.

If we assume the makeup is 7 defenders, 8 midfielders and 5 forwards - and no injuries, then that 8th midfielder spot will be taken by either Fahey or Coleman for their versatility I reckon.

Whelan, Andrews, McCarthy, Gibson, Duff, McGeady, Hunt, Fahey/Coleman.

I wouldn't have Gibson or McCarthy as sure things yet. Just as McClean has to prove himself for a bit longer so has Gibson. The very low transfer fee he commanded in a very high price market says something. McCarthy is not developing as well as people hoped either. My guess is that Fahey is already on the plane.

As for McClean he needs to keep it going for a few more months but I think he will and could be worth a punt for Polkraine.

Vokes · 05-02-2012 10:43am

See I think that Trap considers Gibson and McCarthy as his backup CMs for Andrews and Whelan - I could well be wrong with this. Trap seems to select Gibson regardless of club playing time or form. And McCarthy has been progressing very well with Wigan these past few months. I really don't think McClean has a chance at all with one or both of Fahey / Coleman in his way, unless either suffer a serious injury.

tinofapples · 05-02-2012 10:50am

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Keogh probably won't make the squad, as we're almost certainly only going to take 4 wingers (Duff, McGeady, Hunt and Coleman). McClean is going to have to displace one of those guys if he's to make it to Poland.

No Pilkington ?

Crazy Horse 6 · 05-02-2012 11:29am

One for the future no doubt. Seems like a tidy little player

monkey9 · 05-02-2012 1:34pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

And you watch a lot of russian football do you and were a regular follower of the spl?

As much and probably more than the Trap does. I've seen plenty of McClean in the LOI which is of a similar standard to the SPL, bar the top two!

applehunter · 05-02-2012 4:06pm

Soups123 wrote: »

No chance, seriously dont understand how someone with a knowledge of football can come to this conclusion. The lads had a good few weeks

He's been playing senior football a couple of years now not just in the last few weeks.

Or does LOI not count.

Liam O · 05-02-2012 4:11pm

Does he pronounce his name as McClane or is that something the English have made up? They were calling him it on Premier Soccer Saturday last night anyway...

stovelid · 05-02-2012 5:25pm

applehunter wrote: »

He's been playing senior football a couple of years now not just in the last few weeks.

Or does LOI not count.

Why even bother at this stage?

Weirdly enough it appears to be one or two of the worst anti-LOI tits that are now singing the praises of a player that was playing here only 6 months ago.

BOHtox · 05-02-2012 5:27pm

Liam O wrote: »

Does he pronounce his name as McClane or is that something the English have made up? They were calling him it on Premier Soccer Saturday last night anyway...

It's pronounced 'McLeen'. TBH, I wouldn't watch PSS if Paris Hilton and Rihanna were scissoring each other on it!

Dont be at yourself · 05-02-2012 6:18pm

BOHtox wrote: »

It's pronounced 'McLeen'. TBH, I wouldn't watch PSS if Paris Hilton and Rihanna scissoring each other

According to the man himself, it's McClane.

BOHtox · 05-02-2012 6:22pm

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

According to the man himself, it's McClane.

Really? where'd he say that?

Dont be at yourself · 05-02-2012 6:37pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/#!/JMcC_23/status/158903476196347905

BOHtox · 05-02-2012 6:48pm

i don't have twitter. what's it say?

Dont be at yourself · 05-02-2012 6:50pm

BOHtox wrote: »

i don't have twitter. what's it say?

That his name is pronounced like 'McClane'.

BOHtox · 05-02-2012 6:53pm

Dont be at yourself wrote: »

That his name is pronounced like 'McClane'.

fair enough. I know he's from the north but I though Irish people pronounce it mcleen and the English mclane

Soups123 · 06-02-2012 1:03am

applehunter wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

No chance, seriously dont understand how someone with a knowledge of football can come to this conclusion. The lads had a good few weeks

He's been playing senior football a couple of years now not just in the last few weeks.

Or does LOI not count.

LOI counts as football but not at a standard that can support the national team. I'm not looking to knock the league just being realistic.

I'm not knocking the lad either think he has the potential to do well but the Euro's are too soon, personally I like the idea of a couple of young fearless form players in the squad, but with can't see it happening

ctrl-alt-delete · 06-02-2012 8:12am

BOHtox wrote: »

fair enough. I know he's from the north but I though Irish people pronounce it mcleen and the English mclane

If you pronounced it with his accent, it comes out as McClane, still McClean for me

BOHtox · 06-02-2012 10:44am

ctrl-alt-delete wrote: »

If you pronounced it with his accent, it comes out as McClane, still McClean for me

MNS once did an interview with him and I only understood around every 5th word. McLean for me. Let me demonstate

John McClane - McLayne
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James McLean - McLeen

stovelid · 06-02-2012 10:48am

BOHtox wrote: »

MNS once did an interview with him and I only understood around every 5th word.

Reminds me of that famous broadcast during the troubles. A guy from Strabane or somewhere like that was talking and they had to subtitle him even though the programme was English or Irish.

bobbysands81 · 06-02-2012 12:48pm

The insufferable Colim Murray called McLean 'Northern Irish' the other day.

McLean tweeted the following response to him:

JMcC_23 James Mc Clean

Colin murray get it right will you its #irish

darkman2 · 06-02-2012 1:24pm

Can open, worms everywhere.

doncarlos · 06-02-2012 1:46pm

He doesn't do things by the book, but he gets results!

darkman2 · 06-02-2012 1:52pm

Could Hunt's posistion in the squad genuinely be up for grabs?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16909171

fullstop · 06-02-2012 1:59pm

darkman2 wrote: »

Could Hunt's in the squad posistion genuinely be up for grabs?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16909171

It should be. He isn't first choice for Wolves, who are struggling in and around the relegation zone while McClean is one of the star players in a team who have been flying since the new year.

stovelid · 06-02-2012 2:16pm

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The insufferable Colim Murray called McLean 'Northern Irish' the other day.

McLean tweeted the following response to him:

JMcC_23 James Mc Clean

Colin murray get it right will you its #irish

Possibility of this post being thanked by users with bhoy in username: high.

monkey9 · 06-02-2012 2:24pm

Sunderland's rising star James McClean is likely to be included in a senior Republic of Ireland squad for the first time on Friday.
McClean, who has grabbed his big chance after moving from Derry City, is reported to be in the squad for the friendly against the Czech Republic.
The 22-year-old had been awaiting Fifa clearance after deciding to switch from Northern Ireland to the Republic.
McClean is hoping to press a claim for a place in the Euro 2012 finals.
In January, Giovanni Trapattoni had indicated he intended to stick with the players who had got the Republic to their first major finals for 10 years.
But McClean's headline-grabbing performances for Martin O'Neill's Premier League side appear to have prompted a rethink by the Republic manager as he plans for the 29 February game against the Czechs.
McClean's move to the Wearside outfit, a £350,000 transfer from League of Ireland obscurity, went relatively unnoticed during a period of heavy recruitment at the Stadium of Light last summer, and for the first four months of the season he did not make a first team appearance.
That all changed when O'Neill succeeded Steve Bruce in early December, with the new manager handing McClean his senior debut by bringing him off the bench in his first game in charge.
Since then, McClean has emerged as a key figure for Sunderland and his winner in Sunday's 1-0l eague victory at Stoke was his third goal in 11 games so far.
"He is performing brilliantly for us," O'Neill said. "He has had a great, great couple of months.
"I didn't know him at all until I arrived at the club, so to see him blossoming out there has been very pleasing for everyone, obviously myself included."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/16909171

Coillte_Bhoy · 06-02-2012 2:29pm

stovelid wrote: »

Possibility of this post being thanked by users with bhoy in username: high.

There ya go, i've thanked it just so you can say, 'i told you so'. You not think the lad has a point though?

stovelid · 06-02-2012 2:37pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

You not think the lad has a point though?

Yes and no.

Depends on what the presenter meant by Northern Irish: was it a jibe or just an innocent categorization? JMC is technically from Northern Ireland even if he doesn't politically identify with the state. Then again, if Murray says Irish, then maybe he gets a whole other load of flak for being 'political'.

I would assume (maybe I'm wrong) that maybe NI is like Londonderry, it's the "correct" designation in the media but I don't really know.

Either way, I would have avoided reacting but each to their own.

Coillte_Bhoy · 06-02-2012 2:45pm

stovelid wrote: »

Yes and no.

Depends on what the presenter meant by Northern Irish: was it a jibe or just an innocent categorization? JMC is technically from Northern Ireland even if he doesn't politically identify with the state. Then again, if Murray says Irish, then maybe he gets a whole other load of flak for being 'political'.

I would assume (maybe I'm wrong) that maybe NI is like Londonderry, it's the "correct" designation in the media but I don't really know.

Either way, I would have avoided reacting but each to their own.

Ya, fair point, i dont know Murray's background or whether he has any strong view on it, might well be an editorial decision. I think though the lad has made his intentions quite clear and dont see anything wrong with his reaction, it was quite harmless. He sees himself as Irish full stop so i think that should be respected.

stovelid · 06-02-2012 2:51pm

Murray is a really annoying presenter but its probably innocent. Would be surprised to see a Irish media figure being political like that.

Raskolnikov · 06-02-2012 2:56pm

stovelid wrote: »

Yes and no.

Depends on what the presenter meant by Northern Irish: was it a jibe or just an innocent categorization? JMC is technically from Northern Ireland even if he doesn't politically identify with the state. Then again, if Murray says Irish, then maybe he gets a whole other load of flak for being 'political'.

I would assume (maybe I'm wrong) that maybe NI is like Londonderry, it's the "correct" designation in the media but I don't really know.

Either way, I would have avoided reacting but each to their own.

McClean might have been born in Northern Ireland, but his passport will say his nationality is Irish.

McClean being called Northern Irish is no different to an Irish person being referred to as British.

Coillte_Bhoy · 06-02-2012 3:22pm

stovelid wrote: »

Murray is a really annoying presenter but its probably innocent. Would be surprised to see a Irish media figure being political like that.

Well there's something we can agree on anyway. Don't know how he manged to get the gig

stovelid · 06-02-2012 3:32pm

Raskolnikov wrote: »

McClean might have been born in Northern Ireland, but his passport will say his nationality is Irish.

McClean being called Northern Irish is no different to an Irish person being referred to as British.

I think you're adding a politcal slant to what I'm saying. I'm just saying that I doubt there was any slur involved with calling him NI.

McClean was born in the North and holds an Irish passport. That's a arrangement that not really analogous with saying somebody born in Ireland is English. Plus JMC has only played for the North thus far.

I'm not being political as I agree with NI citizens being able to delcare as ROI citizens or footballers.

Ironically enough - with MOTD being an English programme - in my experience, a lot of English people would actually class everybody from the North as Irish much to the chagrin of some of them.

Seaneh · 06-02-2012 4:15pm

Irish: Definition:
Anybody born on the island of Ireland.

McClean is Irish.

Neil3030 · 06-02-2012 4:21pm

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Ya, fair point, i dont know Murray's background or whether he has any strong view on it, might well be an editorial decision. I think though the lad has made his intentions quite clear and dont see anything wrong with his reaction, it was quite harmless. He sees himself as Irish full stop so i think that should be respected.

This, imo. I would be absolutely shocked if the BBC didn't have a policy on such a potentially sensitive issue and further left such decisions to the whims of a gob****e like Murray.

James McClean

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