LOI rumours etc

hjkl · 10-04-2014 8:13pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

While I agree with the general gist of your post, a 4000 capacity stadium is way too small. Bohs had a bigger crowd than that in Dalymount 2 weeks ago. The last thing any club needs to be doing is turning away fans because they lack capacity.

6000 seats or so would probably be a good number to aim at. Tallaght is a pretty good size, even if Rovers only fill it on the odd occasion.

That was the biggest derby crowd in years. The last few years they have been around 3-3500 in Dalymount for the derby.
Bohs get about 1500-2000 at games. Shels get about 500-1000. They do not a 6,000 seater stadium. Only teams that can realistically get 6,000 people to at a home game are Cork City and Shamrock Rovers.

A 4-5000 seater is more than enough for Bohs and Shels. A 2,000 seater stand on either side and leave the other two open for development incase of the minute possiblity either club will ever require 6,000+ seats.

Amirani · 10-04-2014 9:46pm

frimpong wrote: »

That was the biggest derby crowd in years. The last few years they have been around 3-3500 in Dalymount for the derby.
Bohs get about 1500-2000 at games. Shels get about 500-1000. They do not a 6,000 seater stadium. Only teams that can realistically get 6,000 people to at a home game are Cork City and Shamrock Rovers.

A 4-5000 seater is more than enough for Bohs and Shels. A 2,000 seater stand on either side and leave the other two open for development incase of the minute possiblity either club will ever require 6,000+ seats.

Looking at averages is pointless. Anyone with a decent grasp of statistics will release the fallacy of this in this situation. It's far more intuitive to use the max or 90th percentile. The derby crowd that Bohs got this year was the biggest since 2009/2010 - not exactly decades ago. You're also ignoring the bump you'd expect from moving to a new area, Rovers were getting fairly ****e crowds in Tolka.

Building a stadium of 4000 is ridiculous and typical of the small-minded thinking that permeates the league. The marginal cost of an extra 2000 seats is minuscule compared to the benefits of being capable of hosting your attendances from the 90th-100th percentile - the very ones that by definition are crowds that include non-regular/new supporters. Building a stadium that doesn't allow for these potential attendances is beyond silly.

hjkl · 10-04-2014 10:15pm

NiallSparky wrote: »

Looking at averages is pointless. Anyone with a decent grasp of statistics will release the fallacy of this in this situation. It's far more intuitive to use the max or 90th percentile. The derby crowd that Bohs got this year was the biggest since 2009/2010 - not exactly decades ago. You're also ignoring the bump you'd expect from moving to a new area, Rovers were getting fairly ****e crowds in Tolka.

Building a stadium of 4000 is ridiculous and typical of the small-minded thinking that permeates the league. The marginal cost of an extra 2000 seats is minuscule compared to the benefits of being capable of hosting your attendances from the 90th-100th percentile - the very ones that by definition are crowds that include non-regular/new supporters. Building a stadium that doesn't allow for these potential attendances is beyond silly.

You're over estimating the ability of Bohs and Shels to attract crowds.

Amirani · 10-04-2014 11:00pm

frimpong wrote: »

You're over estimating the ability of Bohs and Shels to attract crowds.

My basic point is that it would be foolish to build a stadium that wouldn't be able to cater for crowds that they have attracted in the recent past. Obviously the derby crowd a couple of weeks back is an outlier when looking at the past few years, but not so much in the years before that when both clubs were successful.

I know and agree that neither club will regularly attract crowds of 6000 or even 4000. However, if they do exceed the 4000 figure even 5-10% of the time (which they have done regularly within the past decade), then having a 4000 seater stadium is a big mistake. The marginal cost for an extra 1000/2000 seats is very small, I don't see any logical reason to inhibit both clubs' ability to attract supporters for the more glamorous fixtures.

Gavin "shels" · 10-04-2014 11:03pm

frimpong wrote: »

You're over estimating the ability of Bohs and Shels to attract crowds.

Because Cork, Rovers and Sligo have always been getting thousands at matches?

djpbarry · 11-04-2014 11:06am

geeky wrote: »

Honestly, I don't subscribe to the hugely optimistic 'if you build it, they will come' projections of Pat Dolan (I remember watching, mouth agape, as he called for a string of 25,000 seater stadiums), but it's worth noting that a decent, comfortable stadium with nearby parking and transport links can help to boost attendances too.

Yep, there are some pretty good examples here in the UK of big jumps in attendances following moves to new grounds (e.g. Chesterfield and Rotherham). The tricky part is retaining the bigger crowds.

marwelie · 11-04-2014 6:25pm

Tallaght will probably never be full for an LOI game but ,as it stands, despite it being the best football facility in the country (bar Landsdowne Road) it still isn't big enough to hold European football. We had to bring in extra seating to play our matches at home in the Europa League, irrespective of whether we filled them or not. Minimum of 8,500 seats required.

I wish they would build at both ends though because it is the coldest place on earth to watch football when the wind takes hold in there.

CSF · 11-04-2014 6:32pm

marwelie wrote: »

Tallaght will probably never be full for an LOI game but ,as it stands, despite it being the best football facility in the country (bar Landsdowne Road) it still isn't big enough to hold European football. We had to bring in extra seating to play our matches at home in the Europa League, irrespective of whether we filled them or not. Minimum of 8,500 seats required.

I wish they would build at both ends though because it is the coldest place on earth to watch football when the wind takes hold in there.

Turners Cross surely? The lack of anything at either end gives off a bit of a ****e vibe. Tallaght may be shiny and new but it rarely gives off the vibe that you're in a proper football ground. Better than Tolka granted, but Tolka definitely more built for atmosphere.

dfx- · 11-04-2014 10:35pm

marwelie wrote: »

Tallaght will probably never be full for an LOI game but ,as it stands, despite it being the best football facility in the country (bar Landsdowne Road) it still isn't big enough to hold European football. We had to bring in extra seating to play our matches at home in the Europa League, irrespective of whether we filled them or not. Minimum of 8,500 seats required.

Tallaght was filled for the Derry home game in 2009 with only one stand open..

I'd say Bohs in 2009 and the opening game against Pats with the East Stand would be very very close to full. Game where Twigg won with a penalty, huge amounts of people there.

Amirani · 11-04-2014 11:40pm

dfx- wrote: »

Tallaght was filled for the Derry home game in 2009 with only one stand open..

I'd say Bohs in 2009 and the opening game against Pats with the East Stand would be very very close to full. Game where Twigg won with a penalty, huge amounts of people there.

Yeah I remember there being a big struggle for tickets for the first few Bohs games in Tallaght. One in particular I ended up being in the Rovers section. Tallaght has had 5000+ for a good few league games.

dreamers75 · 13-04-2014 1:18am

Pats fans (myself included) called Sean Hoare as the greatest thing ever last year. How long we hold onto him is irrelevant.

Maynooth college fans would have seen him up close, hes the reason Bucko let Kenna go. Chap has a future in football at a higher level, hes our next Jake Carroll.

steirishrover · 13-04-2014 1:26am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Pats fans (myself included) called Sean Hoare as the greatest thing ever last year. How long we hold onto him is irrelevant.

Maynooth college fans would have seen him up close, hes the reason Bucko let Kenna go. Chap has a future in football at a higher level, hes our next Jake Carroll.

He was fantastic last night, looked very assured & confident. A real leader of men & captain in the future. Hopefully he stays with us for a couple seasons to develop on these shores

aliveandkicking · 13-04-2014 10:13am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Pats fans (myself included) called Sean Hoare as the greatest thing ever last year. How long we hold onto him is irrelevant.

Maynooth college fans would have seen him up close, hes the reason Bucko let Kenna go. Chap has a future in football at a higher level, hes our next Jake Carroll.

Yeah he was impressive on Friday night. That was the first time I've seen him play and he does look like he could be the real deal. What kind of contract have you got him on?

PS mods, what's the story with this thread? I thought the LOI 2014 thread was set up to replace this one since it's become so large. People seem to be using both so it's a bit confusing.

overshoot · 16-08-2014 2:56pm

Fanad United pulling out of the u19 league apparently. was wondering would the new format have an effect, their longest trip last year after Dundalk would have been Finn Harps!

Gavin "shels" · 27-10-2014 10:29pm

Let the merry-go-round begin...

dreamers75 · 27-10-2014 10:49pm

Fagan Forrester Bermo and Fahey offered 2 year deals from Rovers.

Fahey turned them down.
Fagan going to Chesterfield.

Finn Mc Guinness and Kilduff to us.

doncarlos · 27-10-2014 10:57pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Fagan Forrester Bermo and Fahey offered 2 year deals from Rovers.

Fahey turned them down.
Fagan going to Chesterfield.

Finn Mc Guinness and Kilduff to us.

Some rumours floating about that Dundalk maybe offering two year deals. This might have swayed Boyle as talk is now he might have done a U turn and will stay with Dundalk.

Also talk of us interested in Finn to replace Cardiff bound Towell and Rogers from Sligo.

Gavin "shels" · 27-10-2014 11:26pm

Imagine Dylan Connolly, Lee Desmond and Ryan Robinson will be Pats or Rovers bound. Raging about Robinson, could have really cashed in on him over the summer.

kksaints · 27-10-2014 11:30pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Imagine Dylan Connolly, Lee Desmond and Ryan Robinson will be Pats or Rovers bound. Raging about Robinson, could have really cashed in on him over the summer.

Thought he was Everton bound?

Gavin "shels" · 27-10-2014 11:35pm

kksaints wrote: »

Thought he was Everton bound?

He was over with them during the summer for 2 weeks, supposedly impressed but no idea what happened.

dreamers75 · 28-10-2014 12:04am

Wouldnt mind Connolly doubt Rovers will be getting in young players with potential, Fenlon always goes for the best around.

Gavin "shels" · 28-10-2014 12:08am

dreamers75 wrote: »

Wouldnt mind Connolly doubt Rovers will be getting in young players with potential, Fenlon always goes for the best around.

No idea how Connolly would play with a team, most of this season he's spent working by himself.

CSF · 28-10-2014 1:09am

Gavin shels wrote: »

No idea how Connolly would play with a team, most of this season he's spent working by himself.

Does Conan Byrne not play in Connolly's position?

dfx- · 28-10-2014 1:25am

I want to see a defence of McGuinness and Oman:pac:

Gavin "shels" · 28-10-2014 1:26am

CSF wrote: »

Does Conan Byrne not play in Connolly's position?

Awh I'm sure if Pats don't win the Cup on Sunday, his parents will hear someone having a go at him and he'll be with Rovers next season.

Pinturicchio · 28-10-2014 3:42am

Alan Keane back to Galway United apparently.

miroslavklose · 28-10-2014 6:29am

dfx- wrote: »

I want to see a defence of McGuinness and Oman:pac:

I hear Derek Foran is a free agent too. Could outdo ourselves in the race for the slowest defence going.

dreamers75 · 28-10-2014 11:13am

dfx- wrote: »

I want to see a defence of McGuinness and Oman:pac:

Oman and Foran are going, we should have
Hoare*
Limerick Centre half**
Brown***
Mc Guinness****

*Hoare has a trial in UK, contract to us for 2 more years tho.
** Rovers interested in him too.
*** Brown doing the annual wants to move back to Waterford thing.
**** Will wait till he is signed.

anncoates · 28-10-2014 11:39am

Don't even think Bucko could get Jay going again, short of giving him a bionic leg.

Pighead · 28-10-2014 11:44am

Richie Towell currently training with Cardiff. They're gonna have a look at him later on in the week in a friendly against Chelsea.

Gavin "shels" · 28-10-2014 12:14pm

Pighead wrote: »

Richie Towell currently training with Cardiff. They're gonna have a look at him later on in the week in a friendly against Chelsea.

He contracted still?

EDIT: Seems he isn't, that's harsh.

Pighead · 28-10-2014 12:28pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

He contracted still?

EDIT: Seems he isn't, that's harsh.

I think we may be due compensation given the fact he has only recently turned 23.

CHealy · 28-10-2014 1:16pm

Rumour down here that Kilduff is on his way to City. Thought him to Pats was done? Either way he won't be at Rovers next season.

Caulfield has also had talks with Shane O'Connor of Limerick, Beattie from Bohs and Sheppard from Shamrock Rovers.

hufpc8w3adnk65 · 28-10-2014 2:24pm

CHealy wrote: »

Rumour down here that Kilduff is on his way to City. Thought him to Pats was done? Either way he won't be at Rovers next season.

Caulfield has also had talks with Shane O'Connor of Limerick, Beattie from Bohs and Sheppard from Shamrock Rovers.

Great too see jc trying too get things sorted quickly!

Vision of Disorder · 28-10-2014 4:36pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Limerick Centre half**

Please be talking about Folan?!

dreamers75 · 28-10-2014 7:04pm

Vision of Disorder wrote: »

Please be talking about Folan?!

Thats him yeah, Kenny Browne and the annual rumoured to signing for waterford thing. Altho this time its as coach.

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Good man Bunk :pac:

civis_liberalis · 28-10-2014 7:36pm

Pinturicchio wrote: »

Alan Keane back to Galway United apparently.

You saw some randomer ask him on twitter too did ya?

simonw · 31-10-2014 5:25pm

Keith Ward, Dinny Corcoran and Kevin Devaney gone to Sligo

GLaDOS · 31-10-2014 5:28pm

Dinny had a good season for us, 13 goals in the league, think he had nearly 20 in all competitions. Will badly miss him next year.

simonw · 31-10-2014 5:29pm

And Beattie to Sligo too

AgileMyth · 31-10-2014 6:02pm

Don't know much about any of them other than Kev. Any good?

Omackeral · 31-10-2014 6:37pm

Dinny Corcoran will score goals but he's suspect at taking penalties, it like he over thinks it. Beattie I think is very good and attack minded but is very temperamental, always a candidate for a booking or worse. Could do well at Sligo I reckon, brilliant dribbler of the ball.

Lucan Bohs · 31-10-2014 6:59pm

Dinny got 20 goals in all comps for us this season. About 12/13 were in the league and he should have had another 3/4 as he missed a few penos, including last Friday.

Beattie, IMO, has the potential to be an excellent player, he played his best stuff at full back though

Gavin "shels" · 31-10-2014 8:04pm

Wearen going to Sligo too afaik.

Lucan Bohs · 31-10-2014 8:24pm

Gavin shels wrote: »

Wearen going to Sligo too afaik.

Training with Sheffield Utd according to our forum

dundalkfc10 · 31-10-2014 9:19pm

Keith Ward is a super signing for Sligo

Best of luck to him and a gentleman to boot

dreamers75 · 31-10-2014 11:57pm

best of luck to Akinade trying to have a career in ireland

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/three-kildare-men-sentenced-for-sex-abuse-of-teenage-girl-649354.html

kksaints · 01-11-2014 12:01am

dreamers75 wrote: »

best of luck to Akinade trying to have a career in ireland

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/three-kildare-men-sentenced-for-sex-abuse-of-teenage-girl-649354.html

Disgusting crime. Hopefully he will be gone from the league.

GLaDOS · 01-11-2014 12:04am

What a scumbag. Sentence too light from my reading of it.

dreamers75 · 01-11-2014 12:08am

nailed on to sign for one of us now

LOI rumours etc

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