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Media reporting on tragedies

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    This isn't just an Irish problem.

    Hence the American news motto "If it bleeds, it leads."


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭blaze1


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    Misery sells, plain and simple.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Bootros Bootros


    We tend to show funerals more than most ( heads of State excepted). We do seem to like misery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    It's interesting that you blame the media.

    If people didn't want to see that kind of reporting, it wouldn't be mainstream.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    Reporters are scum and misery parasites.

    Humans are violent and petty.

    The media panders and encourages that and over simplifies everything.

    I just tune it out at this stage


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    Reporters are scum and misery parasites.
    No they're not.
    Humans are violent and petty.
    No they're not.
    The media panders and encourages that and over simplifies everything.

    I just tune it out at this stage
    Good for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,426 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Just look to Fox News and see many examples of this kind of reporting.

    Kay Burley from Sky News as well.

    It's not just here it happens.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,575 ✭✭✭AlanS181824


    We sure do love broadcasting funerals more than any other state!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    The Malaysian flight is the best example of this in recent memory, especially on the rolling news stations like Sky where the coverage turned into a TV soap/drama - it was like watching the "next on..." part of something between Eastenders and Lost a lot of the time, and was quite disgusting.

    But to no surprise, that's exactly how the public treated it unrealistic, dramatic theories of what happened (and a number of people I worked with who were certain they were stranded on a hidden island... I'm genuinely not making that up).

    All the papers, TV stations and news websites care about are units sold, ratings and clicks on their pages - e.g. their bottom line. There's no debating that, all there is to talk about is whether that is right (as privately run companies) or wrong (from an ethical standpoint).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭r93kaey5p2izun


    I think coverage of funerals is over the top, as is on scene reporters badgering family/friends for comments. I don't think it's any more prevalent in Ireland than elsewhere though.

    I actually think that sweeping the causes of various tragedies under the carpet and the taboo about discussing why they happened is a problem in Ireland. Which seems even stranger in the context of the graphic reporting of the incidents themselves.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 21,525 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Definitely don't think that this is a uniquely Irish thing.
    As Galwayguy35 mentioned above Kay Burley is synonymous with such practices. Fox News show showed a car chase live last year in which the guy being chased got out of the car and took his own life. They did apologise for having showed it but it seemed that they would have been happy with the event occurring if they had just switched off the feed at the moment prior to when he did it.

    Unfortunately (and as the media would argue) they report that which the public wants. There is a morbid fascination with tragedy and if the public were not eager for it then the commercial enterprises which are media outlets wouldn't publish it I think.

    All that being said, I do think that the Tabloid outlets (visual and print) do frequently push way beyond publishing that which is in the public interest and into what is purely gratuitous details. It was the same recently with the tragic events in Cork and images of some of the people involved being published a day or 2 later on the front pages of at least one more reputable paper.

    Think that the DM should apologise and make a significant contribution towards a charity which supports survivors or relatives of those involved in serious accidents such as IRVA or the likes. The families of those involved have enough to deal with without walking past a shop and seeing their loved one or a friend of their loved one in such a manner.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Bootros Bootros


    Definitely don't think that this is a uniquely Irish thing.
    As Galwayguy35 mentioned above Kay Burley is synonymous with such practices. Fox News show showed a car chase live last year in which the guy being chased got out of the car and took his own life. They did apologise for having showed it but it seemed that they would have been happy with the event occurring if they had just switched off the feed at the moment prior to when he did it.

    Unfortunately (and as the media would argue) they report that which the public wants. There is a morbid fascination with tragedy and if the public were not eager for it then the commercial enterprises which are media outlets wouldn't publish it I think.

    All that being said, I do think that the Tabloid outlets (visual and print) do frequently push way beyond publishing that which is in the public interest and into what is purely gratuitous details. It was the same recently with the tragic events in Cork and images of some of the people involved being published a day or 2 later on the front pages of at least one more reputable paper.

    Think that the DM should apologise and make a significant contribution towards a charity which supports survivors or relatives of those involved in serious accidents such as IRVA or the likes. The families of those involved have enough to deal with without walking past a shop and seeing their loved one or a friend of their loved one in such a manner.

    Ok so will funerals of the deceased in France dominate french media? All 17? I don't know but I doubt it.

    We really over cover funerals. Leave people alone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,894 ✭✭✭UCDVet


    I feel like a lot of people don't understand the relationship businesses (and that's what the media is, a business) have with the public. You often hear complaints about the media objectifying women, or showing ads with only fit, attractive people....but the list of complaints goes on and on.

    What they don't get, is that the media doesn't dictate what we want to see. In this day and age, ANYONE can produce content. Anyone can produce a newspaper, blog, website, video...and people do. The ones that become popular and successful are a result of PEOPLE LIKING THEM.

    The media REFLECTS what people want to see.

    When a business wants to sell clothing and they show it on a young, fit, model - PEOPLE buy it at a higher rate then if they show it on an average looking, slightly overweight, model. Because our SOCIETY COLLECTIVELY PREFERS it. Businesses want to make money, so that is what they show.

    Newspapers want to sell copies of the paper.
    TV Stations want viewers (so they can sell ads).

    And they'll both do anything they can to get those. I've heard a lot of people complain about news stations that report everything as if it were a serious epidemic, as if they are trying to scare viewers into watching. But why do they do that? Because if they say, 'What common household item is in your kitchen THAT COULD KILL YOU' - people tune in. They don't change the channel. We *want* to know what item can kill us.

    When a tragedy happens, people WANT to know about it. And if you can make a personal connection - by interviewing those close to the dead - it hooks viewers. People want to watch it. THAT's why the media does it.

    If we, collectively, stopped watching when they did these things; they'd stop.

    The question shouldn't be 'Why does the media ____________' the question should be 'Why do WE enjoying seeing ______________'. As long as we go out of our way to watch _____________ the media will keep on giving it to us.


  • Registered Users Posts: 291 ✭✭TheBrinch


    Irish people aren't happy unless they are miserable.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Bootros Bootros


    UCDVet wrote: »
    I feel like a lot of people don't understand the relationship businesses (and that's what the media is, a business) have with the public. You often hear complaints about the media objectifying women, or showing ads with only fit, attractive people....but the list of complaints goes on and on.

    What they don't get, is that the media doesn't dictate what we want to see. In this day and age, ANYONE can produce content. Anyone can produce a newspaper, blog, website, video...and people do. The ones that become popular and successful are a result of PEOPLE LIKING THEM.

    The media REFLECTS what people want to see.

    When a business wants to sell clothing and they show it on a young, fit, model - PEOPLE buy it at a higher rate then if they show it on an average looking, slightly overweight, model. Because our SOCIETY COLLECTIVELY PREFERS it. Businesses want to make money, so that is what they show.

    Newspapers want to sell copies of the paper.
    TV Stations want viewers (so they can sell ads).

    And they'll both do anything they can to get those. I've heard a lot of people complain about news stations that report everything as if it were a serious epidemic, as if they are trying to scare viewers into watching. But why do they do that? Because if they say, 'What common household item is in your kitchen THAT COULD KILL YOU' - people tune in. They don't change the channel. We *want* to know what item can kill us.

    When a tragedy happens, people WANT to know about it. And if you can make a personal connection - by interviewing those close to the dead - it hooks viewers. People want to watch it. THAT's why the media does it.

    If we, collectively, stopped watching when they did these things; they'd stop.

    The question shouldn't be 'Why does the media ____________' the question should be 'Why do WE enjoying seeing ______________'. As long as we go out of our way to watch _____________ the media will keep on giving it to us.

    Of course. But that goes without saying. There is an irish love of morbidity. A fetishisation of death. An interest is cancer and other terminal conditions masquerading as "concern". So much so that the main entertainment on Friday on irelands biggest entertainment show can have an hour with the terminally ill, survivors or Hollywood stars who got a cold once. Either way disease is mentioned.

    I once turned over from Norton (he's Irish but the show is of british sensibility ) to the late late show.

    Norton had Michael Douglas on. He congratulated Douglas on surviving throat cancer and moved on -- tout suite -- to a funny story about Douglas in a jungle being recognised as the guy in Pretty Woman.

    Boring enough so I turned to RTE where Amanda Bunker was crying because -- despite her largely charmed existence -- someone once broke her heart. And Ryan was wiggling around trying to get a rise about the breakup. When she eventually broke down he played the concerned host. So cancer survivor entertaining us with stories unrelated to cancer on BBC , healthy confident lady crying over normal life on RTE.

    The mystery porn must have a market.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    Michael Douglas... wasn't in Pretty Woman?

    Though I have a vague memory of that on Graham Norton (was it Fatal Attraction, maybe?) so I'll take your word on it. :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 274 ✭✭Bootros Bootros


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Michael Douglas... wasn't in Pretty Woman?

    Though I have a vague memory of that on Graham Norton (was it Fatal Attraction, maybe?) so I'll take your word on it. :p

    Yeah sorry. Got mixed up with Gere.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭gctest50


    Originally Posted by Mr. Incognito viewpost.gif
    Reporters are scum and misery parasites.
    K4t wrote: »
    No they're not.
    ......

    sure about that ?
    @Independent_ie I hope you're ashamed of yourselves,reporter came
    up to niamhs coffin as it was bein put in the hearse asking for statements


    http://img.ie/hvozq.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Indo are vultures for it, plagued my neighbours when their son died


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,254 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    What I find horrific is the trawling of social media profiles for 'content'. A lot of them are fecking vultures, but in the tabloid media, they are being told to doorstep grieving families by editors and the like.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    The Irish Daily Star had a front page photo of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop lying dead on the ground. He died during a race in Estonia after losing control in wet conditions and struck a tree

    Scumbags


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,254 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    The Irish Daily Star had a front page photo of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop lying dead on the ground. He died during a race in Estonia after losing control in wet conditions and struck a tree

    Scumbags

    I wouldn't even regard that piece of sh!t as a newspaper. See also the Sunday World, the Independent...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 247 ✭✭happysunnydays


    Have any of you seen 'Nightcrawler'?

    That's the world we live in now....but the media aren't totally to blame, in some morbid way people seem fascinated with destruction, misery and chaos far more so than the good news story. The media will cross boundaries to ensure they deliver what their audience demands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Nodster


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    The Irish Daily Star had a front page photo of motorcycle legend Joey Dunlop lying dead on the ground. He died during a race in Estonia after losing control in wet conditions and struck a tree

    Scumbags


    They wouldn't have the ballhawks to print that in the NI edition


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,362 ✭✭✭K4t


    gctest50 wrote: »
    sure about that ?

    Yes.


    All muslims are murderers.

    *Insert link of 2 muslim murderers*


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