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Lions 2013 Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread

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  • #7262
    Almaviva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭Almaviva


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    It has taken the shine off the Lions for me and others

    And the disgraceful, heinous, ugly, shocking, dastardly, insulting, nauseating, scandalous, vicious, detestable, blasphemous, nefarious, contemptible, low, outrageous, shameful, disdainful, disrespectful, sacrilegous, appalling, inexcusable, disgusting, scurrilous, offensive, objectionable, irreverant, vile, contemptuous, gross, insolent, atrocious, villainous way that he treated a rugby eternal will forever condemn him to eternal damnation.


  • #7263
    Ed The Equalizer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭Ed The Equalizer


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Secondly, this notion that "he got the result" is balderdash, Gatland beat a poor Australian side in absolute disarray playing horrible rugby that was painful on the eyes. It has taken the shine off the Lions for me and others

    Well for me and others a series victory is a fantastic outcome and Gatland should be applauded for not playing a 34 year old with a huge amount of mileage on the clock for the 3rd consecutive week. If the Australians were in such disarray we should have hockeyed them the two previous weeks. No room for sentimentality when a Lions tour is so difficult to win...


  • #7264
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    Taok wrote: »
    Well for me and others a series victory is a fantastic outcome and Gatland should be applauded for not playing a 34 year old with a huge amount of mileage on the clock for the 3rd consecutive week. If the Australians were in such disarray we should have hockeyed them the two previous weeks. No room for sentimentality when a Lions tour is so difficult to win...

    Lions needed a series win, but it should have come a lot easier

    If Beale hadn't slipped and Australian had one competent TH I think they would have won the series. Would be interesting to see how Gatland then would have been viewed for losing to arguably one of the worst Wallabies sides of all time


  • #7265
    irishbucsfan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,978 ✭✭✭✭irishbucsfan


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Lions needed a series win, but it should have come a lot easier

    If Beale hadn't slipped and Australian had one competent TH I think they would have won the series. Would be interesting to see how Gatland then would have been viewed for losing to arguably one of the worst Wallabies sides of all time

    No they wouldn't have. Lions were definitely the better side in T1 and T3. They deserved to win the series.


  • #7266
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Almaviva wrote: »
    And the disgraceful, heinous, ugly, shocking, dastardly, insulting, nauseating, scandalous, vicious, detestable, blasphemous, nefarious, contemptible, low, outrageous, shameful, disdainful, disrespectful, sacrilegous, appalling, inexcusable, disgusting, scurrilous, offensive, objectionable, irreverant, vile, contemptuous, gross, insolent, atrocious, villainous way that he treated a rugby eternal will forever condemn him to eternal damnation.

    You forgot "thoroughly vindicated".


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  • #7267
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    This is hilariously hysterical

    Firstly, some of the abuse, as with most points of contention these days, was horrible, but the vast majority was reasoned, but of course it suits your agenda to imply that it was all lunatic threatening to assault Gatland

    Secondly, this notion that "he got the result" is balderdash, Gatland beat a poor Australian side in absolute disarray playing horrible rugby that was painful on the eyes. It has taken the shine off the Lions for me and others

    Those four-try, 41 point romps are like watching paint dry.


  • #7268
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    Those four-try, 41 point romps are like watching paint dry.

    you're referring to the last 20 minutes of the final test and ignoring the rest of the series, which was most definitely not exciting to watch in terms of the actual rugby being played


  • #7269
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    irishbucsfan wrote: »
    No they wouldn't have. Lions were definitely the better side in T1 and T3. They deserved to win the series.

    It was a bit of an exaggeration I'll admit but my point is that the Lions came a lot closer to losing the series than they should have against such a poor side

    If the Australians had a competent scrum it would have been interesting to see how things would have turned out


  • #7270
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    You forgot "thoroughly vindicated".

    Oh ya, forgot that because the Lions one that test, it in turns means Gatland was proven right in his outside centre selection

    Suppose he got the scrumhalf call right too seeing as they won?:rolleyes:

    Gatland is a very good coach, I don't ever want him near a team I support, but this notion that he had some infallible tour is fiction, he made a lot of errors


  • #7271
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Oh ya, forgot that because the Lions one that test, it in turns means Gatland was proven right in his outside centre selection

    Suppose he got the scrumhalf call right too seeing as they won?:rolleyes:

    Gatland is a very good coach, I don't ever want him near a team I support, but this notion that he had some infallible tour is fiction, he made a lot of errors

    If I was you I really would stop now.


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  • #7272
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    If I was you I really would stop now.

    sterling contribution, nothing to say on any of the points I've raised?


  • #7273
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    sterling contribution, nothing to say on any of the points I've raised?

    Nope. It was done to death at the time. The result stands.


  • #7274
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    Nope. It was done to death at the time. The result stands.

    Well it's a discussion site, and you did post these, but since I've challenged you on them you've opted out of the discussion, good timing
    First Up wrote: »
    You forgot "thoroughly vindicated".
    First Up wrote: »
    Those four-try, 41 point romps are like watching paint dry.


  • #7275
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Well it's a discussion site, and you did post these, but since I've challenged you on them you've opted out of the discussion, good timing

    What exactly are you trying to prove? That you can dig a hole all the way back to Sydney before Christmas?


  • #7276
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    What exactly are you trying to prove? That you can dig a hole all the way back to Sydney before Christmas?

    I'm discussing the Lions tour on the Lions tour thread on the boards rugby forum

    You were posting about it half an hour ago but when someone challenges you on it it's suddenly not up for discussion anymore?!:confused:


  • #7277
    jamiedav2011
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,906 ✭✭✭jamiedav2011


    First Up wrote: »
    What exactly are you trying to prove? That you can dig a hole all the way back to Sydney before Christmas?

    Fella, he's backed up his opinion with relevant points and logic, you, patently, haven't.


  • #7278
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    jamiedav2011 wrote: »
    Fella, he's backed up his opinion with relevant points and logic, you, patently, haven't.

    No,.he has supported his opinions with conjecture,.hypothesese and begrudgery. I just pointed to the scoreboard.


  • #7279
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    First Up wrote: »
    No,.he has supported his opinions with conjecture,.hypothesese and begrudgery. I just pointed to the scoreboard.

    Please back this up, where is the begrudgery in disagreeing with your opinion that the Lions played entertaining rugby?


  • #7280
    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,221 ✭✭✭Ugo Monye spacecraft experience


    I really don't understand the hysterics that seem to abound when anyone dares to say anything critical of the way Warren Gatland handled this years Lions tour, all too easy then for people to start screaming buzz words like begrudgers to perfectly reasonable opinion about selections and gameplan


  • #7281
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Please back this up, where is the begrudgery in disagreeing with your opinion that the Lions played entertaining rugby?

    They played winning rugby, which was the primary object of the exercise. They also played their most entertaining rugby in the match over which the national underwear was most in a twist over selection.
    To say they coulda, shoulda, woulda, done it better with a different game plan or different personnel is conjecture, hypothesis and begrudgery.
    But by all means continue to argue your case. Make sure you let me know if you win it.


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  • #7282
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    The 2009 lions were superior IMO to the 2013 edition. They played a South Africa side at its peak who went on to win the Tri-Nations. Australia this year had the situation of a coach who was on the way out tbh.

    The 09 Boks would beat the 2013 Wallabies most weekends. This year was the perfect time for the Lions to play Australia.


  • #7283
    danthefan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 ✭✭✭danthefan


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The 2009 lions were superior IMO to the 2013 edition. They played a South Africa side at its peak who went on to win the Tri-Nations. Australia this year had the situation of a coach who was on the way out tbh.

    The whole series was just better in 2009 imo, apart from the whole losing thing. I was so much more invested in the tests than this year. That 2nd test was just incredible.


  • #7284
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    danthefan wrote: »
    The whole series was just better in 2009 imo, apart from the whole losing thing. I was so much more invested in the tests than this year. That 2nd test was just incredible.

    Yeah for whatever reason I was more invested four years ago. I'd say the Irish dominance in the team had a lot to do with it.


  • #7285
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    danthefan wrote: »
    The whole series was just better in 2009 imo, apart from the whole losing thing. I was so much more invested in the tests than this year. That 2nd test was just incredible.

    Yeah for whatever reason I was more invested four years ago. I'd say the Irish dominance in the team had a lot to do with it.


  • #7286
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    May as well start a thread!

    Really looking forward to this, all the rumours/talk get put to bed!

    Do you know the other thomond guy who started this thread?


  • #7287
    Swiwi.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,415 ✭✭✭Swiwi.


    Ugo Monye spacecraft experience wrote: »
    Garland played puke rugby for the vast majority of the tour season, it's time to move on from bod being oddly and unfairly scapegoated for the second test but wood has a point. I much preferred the 09 toir

    I think the biggest indictment of Gatland's Lions' coaching is that it's difficult to find a NZer who's enamoured of him coaching the ABs in the future.


  • #7288
    thomond2006
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    First Up wrote: »
    Do you know the other thomond guy who started this thread?

    I was looking forward to it alright, but when the test series came and as the series evolved I lost interest. In 2009 I was hooked, even with the phoney war third test.


  • #7289
    First Up
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,823 ✭✭✭✭First Up


    thomond2006 wrote: »
    I was looking forward to it alright, but when the test series came and as the series evolved I lost interest. In 2009 I was hooked, even with the phoney war third test.

    Yeah, you hardly posted here at all.


  • #7290
    .ak
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,308 ✭✭✭✭.ak


    First Up wrote: »
    Yeah, you hardly posted here at all.

    Drop the snipes, it's getting tiresome.


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  • #7291
    molloyjh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,768 ✭✭✭✭molloyjh


    First Up wrote: »
    Those four-try, 41 point romps are like watching paint dry.
    First Up wrote: »
    No,.he has supported his opinions with conjecture,.hypothesese and begrudgery. I just pointed to the scoreboard.

    The first half was dire in the extreme. I was there and they started really well and got the crowd up for it. Then the next 40-50 mins were utter tripe that sucked the life out of the stadium because it was so poor to watch. The final score had as much to do with the severe lack of depth in the Aussie squad which meant that they had no game changers in the bench. They ran out of steam and we ran in a few extra tries. But don't let those last 15-20 mins fool you.

    How many kicks did the Aussies miss in the first test? And had Beales kick gone over then we'd have lost that one. IMO the Aussies deserved to win the second test and while we'll never know how that one would have panned out if they'd won the first test it would be daft to ignore how close they really came. They were a poor Australian side who were playing under a coach who had a massive cloud hanging over him. And we only really looked truly better than them in the last quarter of the final test.

    As for Drico, I'm not sure it made a blind bit of difference one way or the other. Gatland didn't want to use his midfield in any kind of a creative way and so I don't think Dricos skillset would have been utilised properly. That said this would probably be my main reason for being frustrated by his non-selection. It really wouldn't have mattered from an attacking point of view and his defense is not lacking in any way. So what exactly was the logic in dropping him? What did Davies bring that Drico didn't? And what did he do on the day to vindicate his selection?


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