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Clermont vs Munster buildup thread **read post one

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  • #332
    Podge_irl
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Grimebox wrote: »
    Ireland has a large pool of senior rugby players in comparison to other countries if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the infograph. I seem to remember we are on par with NZ and England in terms of player pool size.

    Those numbers include tag players apparently.

    Also, we're way off England who have about 1,000,000 senior males.


  • #333
    Lelantos
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    Grimebox wrote: »
    Ireland has a large pool of senior rugby players in comparison to other countries if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the infograph. I seem to remember we are on par with NZ and England in terms of player pool size.

    http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/09/2103/rugby-world-cup-daily-player-numbers-around-the-world


  • #334
    Grimebox
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Tag players :eek: Technically I am a senior player available to be selected if thats the case


  • #335
    CIARAN_BOYLE
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Those numbers include tag players apparently.

    Also, we're way off England who have about 1,000,000 senior males.

    The Irish numbers do, some of the other unions don't

    Each union is done on their own set of criteria.


  • #336
    Podge_irl
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    Clermont by 1-10
    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    The Irish numbers do, some of the other unions don't

    Each union is done on their own set of criteria.

    Yeah I know, I didn't explain that clearly. For that reason the numbers just aren't comparable though.


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  • #337
    Grimebox
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Yeah I know, I didn't explain that clearly. For that reason the numbers just aren't comparable though.

    However England are counting "Total players" is clearly vastly different to everyone else


  • #338
    Lelantos
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    Grimebox wrote: »
    However England are counting "Total players" is clearly vastly different to everyone else

    I do remember in one set of figures I was given for Ireland that rugby playing secondary schools were counted also,,this included all pupils in the school, whether they actually played the game or not.


  • #339
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    backgreen wrote: »
    the french have increased their salary cap to 10 million for next season,the national championship is the priority for all french clubs,but i think a lot more H cups will go there in future

    What's the English budget ?


  • #340
    opinionatedfan
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Rightwing wrote: »
    What's the English budget ?

    The Ligue Nationale de Rugby (LNR), the umbrella body representing France's leading clubs, has announced that the Top 14 salary cap will rise to €10m (£8.6m) as of next season.

    The new figure is a €500,000 increase on the present limit but crucially youth players will no longer be included in the salary cap unless they earn in excess of €50,000 (£43,000) a year in a move designed to encourage the development of fresh talent. The latter ceiling will be reviewed on an annual basis but the actual salary cap, that was raised from €8.7m to €9.5m this season, will be remain in place for the next three campaigns.

    That trend look likely to continue with the English Premiership salary cap currently set at £4.26m rising to a maximum of £4.5m with the continuation of the 'Academy Credits' that reward clubs for bring through their own talent. In addition, they are allowed to nominate one 'Excluded Player' whose salary can be discounted.

    Welsh rugby has suffered the most as a result of French rugby's financial dominance with centre Jamie Roberts just the latest of a long line of internationals to opt for a cross-Channel switch with Racing Metro his expected destination. The cash-strapped four Welsh regions introduced a £3.5m salary cap this season to cover players registered for European squads with development and academy costs falling outside of this remit.


  • #341
    Grimebox
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Stupid question, what exactly is the salary cap? €10m maximum budget a club can spend on players' salary in total?


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  • #342
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    Grimebox wrote: »
    Stupid question, what exactly is the salary cap? €10m maximum budget a club can spend on players' salary in total?

    Ya, that's my understanding of it. It's a little bit worrying that the French are getting so powerful with their sugar daddys


  • #343
    Ardillaun
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Fofana was quiet against Ireland. Didn't get much ball. Munster will somehow have to reproduce those conditions to have a chance. But the Clermont forwards are kinda formidable too. It's hard even to find a fantasy route to victory.


  • #344
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Fofana was quiet against Ireland. Didn't get much ball. Munster will somehow have to reproduce those conditions to have a chance. But the Clermont forwards are kinda formidable too. It's hard even to find a fantasy route to victory.

    But they have a history of blowing up and choking, hence they have so little silverware.


  • #345
    molloyjh
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    Munster by 1-10
    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Fofana was quiet against Ireland. Didn't get much ball. Munster will somehow have to reproduce those conditions to have a chance. But the Clermont forwards are kinda formidable too. It's hard even to find a fantasy route to victory.

    How much of that was Ireland keeping him quiet and how much was the crazy coaching selections and decisions?


  • #346
    backgreen
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Ardillaun wrote: »
    Fofana was quiet against Ireland. Didn't get much ball. Munster will somehow have to reproduce those conditions to have a chance. But the Clermont forwards are kinda formidable too. It's hard even to find a fantasy route to victory.
    Fofana was played out of position on the wing by that crazy french coach..
    12/13 and he's dynamite


  • #347
    thomond2006
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    Squad Update: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/11862.php

    Archer out while DOC, POM, Downey, Earls and Howlett are doubts. Sherry didn't train today because of tonsilitis.


  • #348
    budhabob
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    Munster by more than 10
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Squad Update: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/11862.php

    Archer out while DOC, POM, Downey, Earls and Howlett are doubts. Sherry didn't train today because of tonsilitis.

    Jesus, the impossible gets harder!!!! POM would be the HUGE loss to us.


  • #349
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    That's disastrous news. We'll still probably have some bemoaning Clermont's luck if James is out.


  • #350
    thomond2006
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    That's disastrous news. We'll still probably have some bemoaning Clermont's luck if James is out.

    James out would be a huge positive for Munster, not Clermont. He's a brilliant player. People just keep judging him on a few very poor performances which isn't right. The RDS Quarter-Final was three seasons ago, it's not really relevant.

    Apparently Clermont are in negotiations with the ERC to get Mike Delany registered.


  • #351
    budhabob
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    Munster by more than 10
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    James out would be a huge positive for Munster, not Clermont. He's a brilliant player. People just keep judging him on a few very poor performances which isn't right. The RDS Quarter-Final was three seasons ago, it's not really relevant.

    Apparently Clermont are in negotiations with the ERC to get Mike Delany registered.

    How does that work? What would the basis of the argument be? (I know we'd just be speculating but just curious).


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  • #352
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    James out would be a huge positive for Munster, not Clermont. He's a brilliant player. People just keep judging him on a few very poor performances which isn't right. The RDS Quarter-Final was three seasons ago, it's not really relevant.

    Apparently Clermont are in negotiations with the ERC to get Mike Delany registered.

    Well if that list of injuries turns out to be accurate our chances are gone :mad:


  • #353
    thomond2006
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    budhabob wrote: »
    How does that work? What would the basis of the argument be? (I know we'd just be speculating but just curious).

    The only argument I can think of is two outhalfs are injured: James and Skrela. IMO only for the frontrow would that argument hold sway.


  • #354
    danthefan
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    Munster by 1-10
    Micky Dolenz wrote: »
    Our two leagues are a million miles apart.

    It's a wonder French clubs don't win the HC more often. I don't buy into they don't want to.

    We've 2 French HEC and 2 Amlin semi-finalists in Europe this year, they clearly do want to win it. Even in the Amlin you saw Stade and Biarritz really going for it to win their SFs.

    Has to be said that after the Clermont/Toulouse game things are looking fairly ominous for Munster. If Munster managed to win it would be, imo, their best ever win in Europe.


  • #355
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    I'd like Clermont to be at full strength, but only provided that we are as well. Like last year, the winner of this tie will go on to win it.


  • #356
    Buer
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    thomond2006 wrote: »
    The only argument I can think of is two outhalfs are injured: James and Skrela. IMO only for the frontrow would that argument hold sway.

    Given Rado started the quarter final, I don't think they've a leg to stand on. Parra has also played outhalf for club and country. I think they might start with Rado and have James on the bench if he's 80%.


  • #357
    trouttrout
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    Rightwing wrote: »
    I'd like Clermont to be at full strength, but only provided that we are as well. Like last year, the winner of this tie will go on to win it.

    Toulon v Clermont in Dublin will be more or less a 50/50 game

    Saracens v Munster in Dublin would be a very close call

    Toulon v Munster the same

    Saracens v Clermont in Dublin and you would favor Clermont

    So I don't know how you can say that the winner of this semi will go on to win it in such a matter of fact way


  • #358
    danthefan
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    Munster by 1-10
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Squad Update: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/11862.php

    Archer out while DOC, POM, Downey, Earls and Howlett are doubts. Sherry didn't train today because of tonsilitis.

    I'd imagine there's a fair attempt at so-called mind games here, would expect most of those to play.


  • #359
    Rightwing
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    Munster by more than 10
    trouttrout wrote: »
    Toulon v Clermont in Dublin will be more or less a 50/50 game

    Saracens v Munster in Dublin would be a very close call

    Toulon v Munster the same

    Saracens v Clermont in Dublin and you would favor Clermont

    So I don't know how you can say that the winner of this semi will go on to win it in such a matter of fact way

    I know where you are coming from, Sarries/Toulon will be a much tougher nut to crack than Ulster, I'd still back the winner of our semi, we'd have home advantage, and Clermont are good enough to beat the pick of the other 2.


  • #360
    awec
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    Clermont by 1-10
    Rightwing wrote: »
    I know where you are coming from, Sarries/Toulon will be a much tougher nut to crack than Ulster, I'd still back the winner of our semi, we'd have home advantage, and Clermont are good enough to beat the pick of the other 2.
    Not so sure about that.

    If we'd have turned up we'd have beaten Saracens IMO.

    Unfortunately we bottled it on the day.


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  • #361
    Quint2010
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    Clermont by 1-10
    thomond2006 wrote: »
    Squad Update: http://www.munsterrugby.ie/news/11862.php

    Archer out while DOC, POM, Downey, Earls and Howlett are doubts. Sherry didn't train today because of tonsilitis.

    All smoke and mirrors I reckon. They'll all be fit (bar Archer) come Saturday.


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