AI: Ireland v South Africa; Aviva Stadium, Sat 10 Nov [MOD WARNING POST #1160]

duckysauce · 10-11-2012 7:16pm

Ruan no way

goreyguy · 10-11-2012 7:16pm

if he gets this you just have to say well done

Blackheath · 10-11-2012 7:16pm

Murray has had a decent 1st half

Banbridgeman2 · 10-11-2012 7:17pm

Happy enough, Murray has had a few poor passes but in fairness he did speed up. Only poor performance so far has been Earls. I'd give him another 10mins in the second half but if he keeps making these mistakes he has to go. Shame there's no Cave

Cosmo Kramer · 10-11-2012 7:18pm

Delighted with that half, a real feeling of next generation Ireland and finally being able to take the pressure off the players who have held us together in the last few years.

We look so much better with a natural 7 and Henry is going well. Very impressed with McCarthy and Murray (credit where it's due to him) and a great half from Zebo especially considering his lack of experience at 15.

Even the lineout improved towards the end of the half. Good stuff all round.

Tox56 · 10-11-2012 7:18pm

That one maul that stopped just outside their 22 in the first half pretty much summed up Ireland at the moment, not really going anywhere and kicked away to the Saffers. Is there any situation where Leinster would kick away the ball in an attacking position just outside the opposition 22?

Anyway, we have the beating of them, they've brought nothing.

englandfan101 · 10-11-2012 7:18pm

ROG would have nailed that drop goal

[Jackass] · 10-11-2012 7:19pm

CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »

I thought Murray was going well but he has done a couple of bad passes in the last minute, balls to the head or the toes

A lot of aimless / pointless kicking too. Either to far or out of play on the full (luckily when inside his 22) when it's supposed to be an up and under and bad options from the base of the ruck too, particularly when we have forward momentum. When we made a break and were landed on the SA 22 in the centre of the pitch he twice popped to Healy who was static and didn't look for the mismatches we had out wide. Nothing new though. Tomas O'Leary2.0. Baffles the mind.

Striking that we're trying to play a fast paced running game and have Reddan on the bench..

.ak · 10-11-2012 7:19pm

Defo would've liked Cave to make the bench. Earls could've moved to the wing to give Cave a shot.

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:20pm

fantastic half of rugby from Ireland

Stand out performers were McCarthy, POM, Bowe, Healy and Strauss

Murray has been decent too bar a bad pass or two. Zebo looks solid at 15 and Henry too

leakyboots · 10-11-2012 7:20pm

Thoughts at half-time, pack as a whole are having a great game. Healy, Strauss and MacCarthy have been the pick of them. Some great steals by Henry. Heaslip doing well as captain.

Murray is giving us great tempo, made some nice breaks, kicked well. Very assured performance. Sexton imperious from the boot bar that last penalty, considering the treatment he's had dished out, well done. Zebo looks at ease, has hardly put a foot wrong. D'Arcy has been good too. Earls looks rusty, couple of nice touches but needs to up his game.

All in all, we're worth our lead, wasn't expecting to be able to say that in the run up to the game, but we should try and put these fellas away, you get the feeling if we score a try first they could implode.

irishbucsfan · 10-11-2012 7:20pm

A very good performance so far. We've done exactly what we were setting out to do. Kicking game has been exactly what its needed to be. Pretty much everyone has justified their selection.

McCarthy has been superb. Himself and Ryan are great to watch together.

Earls needs to sharpen up a bit. He hasn't been too bad, his defense is very good. The kicking and passing needs to get better though. I certainly wouldn't dream of taking him off unless necessary while he's defending well.

durkadurka · 10-11-2012 7:21pm

Shaggys hair is blacker than normal

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:21pm

[Jackass] wrote: »

A lot of aimless / pointless kicking too. Either to far or out of play on the full (luckily when inside his 22) when it's supposed to be an up and under and bad options from the base of the ruck too, particularly when we have forward momentum. When we made a break and were landed on the SA 22 in the centre of the pitch he twice popped to Healy who was static and didn't look for the mismatches we had out wide. Nothing new though. Tomas O'Leary2.0. Baffles the mind.

Striking that we're trying to play a fast paced running game and have Reddan on the bench..

Murray's kicking has been very good. Even the box kick deep in the SA half was executed well, even though it was the wrong decision and a poor chase from Trimble didn't help

His passing has been a bit wary on one or two occcasions but he's having a good game

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-11-2012 7:21pm

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A lot of aimless / pointless kicking too. Either to far or out of play on the full (luckily when inside his 22) when it's supposed to be an up and under and bad options from the base of the ruck too, particularly when we have forward momentum. When we made a break and were landed on the SA 22 in the centre of the pitch he twice popped to Healy who was static and didn't look for the mismatches we had out wide. Nothing new though. Tomas O'Leary2.0. Baffles the mind.

Striking that we're trying to play a fast paced running game and have Reddan on the bench..[/Quote]

Come off it. Murray has been our best back, and one of the best players out there. His service has been quick and good, his kicking has been great, and apart from Earls, he's made our only break

Fireball07 · 10-11-2012 7:23pm

SA are poor, but I don't care...their fans thought they were going to win handy. Need to kick on and win it in the 2nd.

McCarthy, Henry and Heaslip the standout players for me, all of them have been excellent. Tbh pretty much all the Irish players are doing well- Murray's been lively, Zebo's looked threatening, D'Arcy's having another good game and Ryan and Strauss have been good too.

Earls' has made a few mistakes, but hasn't been awful, he just needs to have a bit more confidence in himself. Would like Sexton to step in a tiny bit more, sometimes we've been a bit aimless.

irishbucsfan · 10-11-2012 7:23pm

Tox56 wrote: »

That one maul that stopped just outside their 22 in the first half pretty much summed up Ireland at the moment, not really going anywhere and kicked away to the Saffers. Is there any situation where Leinster would kick away the ball in an attacking position just outside the opposition 22?

Anyway, we have the beating of them, they've brought nothing.

It was set up around the maul making ground. When it didn't there was no other option, defense had come up when the lineout ended. Chase was poor, kick was fine. If we'd done a anything else we would have stood a strong chance of turning over.

tolosenc · 10-11-2012 7:23pm

Murray hasn't been awful but he certainly hasn't justified his selection ahead of Reddan.

Zebo has done well. Earls isn't an international centre. He's been awful. Munster would do well to look at a 11 Earls, 14 Howlett, 15. Zebo back 3.

Best performer for Ireland so far has been Henry for me. D'arcy has had one of his better games too. If POM could just stop looking for a fight at every breakdown, he might pose more of a threat for Ferris in the future.

Overall, don't think POC, BOD, SOB, Ferris, or Kearney will be at all worried about their positions in the squad.

.ak · 10-11-2012 7:23pm

McCarthy got a proper dig in the face there in the ruck on BBC's replay. SA seriously underhanded here.

Lelantos · 10-11-2012 7:23pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Murray's kicking has been very good. Even the box kick deep in the SA half was executed well, even though it was the wrong decision and a poor chase from Trimble didn't help

His passing has been a bit wary but he's having a good game

Agreed, his kicking has been good, he's whipped quick ball when needed, and has been good disrupting the Saffers attack as well. 8.5/10 so far

ScrubsfanChris · 10-11-2012 7:24pm

To settle the argument...

Good first half in defense but the back line seems poor again in structured play, bit better when in the broken/open field play.

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:24pm

Can't wait to see our bench unleashed. Not because we have anyone that deserves to go off, just because of the extra zip it will give us. I reckon the boks will tire

Tox56 · 10-11-2012 7:24pm

Murray hasn't been poor but hasn't exactly been a spark, nothing really happening.

Blackheath · 10-11-2012 7:25pm

The 2nd row looks a decent partnership, once the line out got sorted

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:26pm

tolosenc wrote: »

Murray hasn't been awful but he certainly hasn't justified his selection ahead of Reddan.

Zebo has done well. Earls isn't an international centre. He's been awful. Munster would do well to look at a 11 Earls, 14 Howlett, 15. Zebo back 3.

Best performer for Ireland so far has been Henry for me. D'arcy has had one of his better games too. If POM could just stop looking for a fight at every breakdown, he might pose more of a threat for Ferris in the future.

Overall, don't think POC, BOD, SOB, Ferris, or Kearney will be at all worried about their positions in the squad.

He made two errors but he's been brilliant in defense and made one of our only breaks

He also answered the question about him being an international center 10 months ago

ThisRegard · 10-11-2012 7:26pm

Bod and fester on BBC, decent panel there, eye candy for him and her alike with Gabby.

goreyguy · 10-11-2012 7:26pm

Murray has been quicker, but he is still is in very fast.

Henry and McCarthy have been outstanding.

Banbridgeman2 · 10-11-2012 7:26pm

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Come off it. Murray has been our best back, and one of the best players out there. His service has been quick and good, his kicking has been great, and apart from Earls, he's made our only break

Are you serious? Best backs have been bowe, sexton, Zebo, D'arcy in that order. Murray's been fine, few wayward passes and one or two poor kicks but mostly quick and mostly good kicks. Best back and best player out there though? Completely disagree

tolosenc · 10-11-2012 7:26pm

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Come off it. Murray has been our best back

Lol.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-11-2012 7:27pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He made two errors but he's been brilliant in defense and made one of our only breaks

He also answered the question about him being an international center 10 months ago

Leave it. You won't win.

Coincidently, Murray and Earls are the only players to come in for any criticism. I couldn't imagine why...

Blackheath · 10-11-2012 7:27pm

Argentina will give Ireland a tougher test rather than South Africa

matthew8 · 10-11-2012 7:27pm

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

To settle the argument...

Good first half in defense but the back line seems poor again in structured play, bit better when in the broken/open field play.

Yes, right arm coming around his back, leave it another half second and the left will we wrapping too.

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:28pm

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Leave it. You won't win.

Coincidently, Murray and Earls are the only players to come in for any criticism. I couldn't imagine why...

Infairness captain you're hardly helping by saying Murray's been our best back when Bowe is putting in a masterclass in 14 play!

t c · 10-11-2012 7:28pm

Can I just ask those more in the know, why is Brian O'D doing commentary on BBC and not RTE?
Is it the money or was RTE just stupid?

irishbucsfan · 10-11-2012 7:28pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He made two errors but he's been brilliant in defense and made one of our only breaks

He also answered the question about him being an international center 10 months ago

Doesn't matter what happens, some people will interpret it whatever way they want.

His bad pass... A bad pass off the left hand, something O'Driscoll used to nearly every week at least once. It happens. His kick was a bad idea and poorly executed though, don't know what he was thinking.

tolosenc · 10-11-2012 7:28pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

He made two errors but he's been brilliant in defense and made one of our only breaks

He also answered the question about him being an international center 10 months ago

Missed two tackles by my count.

He's been awful at 13 more often than he's been good. He's a winger, not at centre. As soon as he gets running, be it in his own 22 or anywhere else, he has white line fever. He needs to learn to look for the pass rather than the glory.

[Jackass] · 10-11-2012 7:28pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Murray's kicking has been very good. Even the box kick deep in the SA half was executed well, even though it was the wrong decision and a poor chase from Trimble didn't help

His passing has been a bit wary on one or two occcasions but he's having a good game

It wasn't executed well, it fell into the 22 and was too far ahead of Trimble. It should never land in the 22 for a handy mark, especially if you're giving the chasers that amount of work to do. It served only as a turnover of possession, and you're correct, it was the wrong decision whether he executed it right or not.

I never said Murray was terrible by the way, I was just pointing out some of the limitations to his game that are always exposed at this level and how it is amazing how on earth he is ahead of Reddan.

It's all well and good to not humiliate yourself in every game, but if you're not the best player for the job, ESPECIALLY with the type of game we're trying to play, you have to question why he's out there.

He has done some things well, including a nice break, but the momentum he takes out of our game massively negates that. Big picture stuff.

Cpt_Blackbeard · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

Fishooks12 wrote: »

Infairness captain you're hardly helping by saying Murray's been our best back when Bowe is putting in a masterclass in 14 play!

Apart from poor handling. He's been everywhere, but his hands haven't followed him.

grohlisagod · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

Blackheath wrote: »

Argentina will give Ireland a tougher test rather than South Africa

On today's performance definitely this.

Benny Cake · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

Sexton, Murray, Bowe & Zebo all playing well....

Hope we can get out the gap here....

Fishooks12 · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Doesn't matter what happens, some people will interpret it whatever way they want.

His bad pass... A bad pass off the left hand, something O'Driscoll used to nearly every week at least once. It happens. His kick was a bad idea and poorly executed though, don't know what he was thinking.

ya the kick was bad

The knock on I wouldn't mind because it was a fantastic line

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

blunder from Shaggy saying that Zebo Bowe and Earls are the Irish back three

Tox56 · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

Cpt_Blackbeard wrote: »

Leave it. You won't win.

Coincidently, Murray and Earls are the only players to come in for any criticism. I couldn't imagine why...

Pot kettle?? You're right, you can't win

Banbridgeman2 · 10-11-2012 7:29pm

Earls has made 3 poor mistakes. Murray isn't criticized people just disagree with your assessment that he's been our best player which is frankly untrue

KJY · 10-11-2012 7:30pm

Francois Low and Etzebeth have been very good so far. Someone said it yesterday, but Alberts wasn't the same player who played the Summer tests.

Murray has been very good, Mac and Ryan have been powerful and POM looks good

CIARAN_BOYLE · 10-11-2012 7:30pm

t c wrote: »

Can I just ask those more in the know, why is Brian O'D doing commentary on BBC and not RTE?
Is it the money or was RTE just stupid?

I think RTE had a panel set when BOD was ruled out and became available

irishbucsfan · 10-11-2012 7:31pm

Zebo has a great boot on him

leakyboots · 10-11-2012 7:31pm

Great tackle by Earls on Pienaar, had to make it

.ak · 10-11-2012 7:31pm

Barnes missing two off the ball incidents there.

Blackheath · 10-11-2012 7:32pm

Some tackle by McCarthy

AI: Ireland v South Africa; Aviva Stadium, Sat 10 Nov [MOD WARNING POST #1160]

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