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Money talks in Ireland

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  • 30-07-2012 1:01pm
    #1
    kr7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 747 ✭✭✭


    Just reading this case this morning and I've got to say justice in this country makes me sick.


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html

    How can a 'businessman' sexually assault a woman, get a 6 year sentence and have 5 and a half years suspended?

    What's going on in Ireland when the so called 'elite' can seemingly buy or wriggle their way out of trouble?

    Who does this guy know, or more importantly what does this guy know??


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    SocSocPol
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    The family of a sex assault victim have said they are very unhappy at the decision of a judge to suspend five and a half years of a six year sentence imposed on her attacker if he pays her €75,000, they said the judges ruling is a case of "Money Talks".

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html


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    Duggys Housemate
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    Obscene.


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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html
    Anthony Lyons, the owner of an aviation leasing company, from Griffith Avenue in Dublin, originally denied attacking the woman when arrested near the scene.
    However, ten days later he went back to gardaí and claimed he attacked the woman because he was on cholesterol medication, a defence that was rejected by the jury.
    Mr Justice Desmond Hogan today sentenced him to six years in prison, but suspended five-and-a-half years of the sentence.
    Lyons, who was convicted last month, was also ordered by the judge to pay €75,000 to the victim.
    Afterwards, the victim’s family said they were very upset by the sentence and said that this was a case where "money talks".
    Lyons is now a registered sex offender.
    He attacked the woman as she walked along Griffith Avenue on 3 October 2010.
    He came up behind her and said "are you going to get home safely", before rugby tackling her into the trees.
    She cried for help but he told her to be quiet. He put his hand over her throat and mouth before sexually assaulting her.
    The victim managed to hit him on the head with her mobile phone.
    Lyons tried to take it off her and broke off the cover before continuing. She managed to call 999 during the attack and he ran away when a passerby shouted at him.
    However, Lyons left his umbrella behind as he tried to escape and was only around 100 metres from his home when the victim, who was in a garda car, identified him and he was arrested.

    How in God's name does the judge feel that 6 months is an appropriate sentence for such a sinister sexual assault? The woman in question was a teacher of one of his kids, and when in court he tried to blame his "cholestoral medication"?

    This guy lives down the road from me and I certainly don't want him out in 6 bloody months.


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    donegal_road
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    5 years in prison @ €70k per year = €350,000 cost to the taxpayer. Maybe the judge is looking at it like that


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    seamus
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    Yeah, I was going to post that.

    It would seem that provided you have enough money, you can buy your way out of being properly punished for serious crimes.

    The money is to compensate the victim, the jail time is to punish the offender. The two should be treated as separate items and one should have no bearing on the other.

    Six months for a violent sexual assault, which would have been worse except that it was stopped. Unbelievable.


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    Hande hoche!
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    Seems fairly ridiculous.


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    starbelgrade
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    He was found guilty of sexual assault, not rape.


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    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,461 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056714398


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    Skid
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    Six months for Sexual Assault.

    Six years for Garlic Smuggling.


    Sickening.


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    mikemac1
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    Skid wrote: »
    Six years for Garlic Smuggling.

    This is getting overused

    It's become the new "what about the bankers"


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    Ben D Bus
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    Can we introduce a garlic ban to AH?

    And on topic todays sentence does not look good.


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    Duggys Housemate
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    starbelgrade wrote: »
    He was found guilty of sexual assault, not rape.

    Which included digital penetration. In the first case the charges were too small, lots of countries call that rape.


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    Diapason
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    I was going to start blathering on about not knowing the full details etc, but having read the article...

    What the absolute f*ck?


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    SocSocPol
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    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    Can we introduce a garlic ban to AH?

    And on topic todays sentence does not look good.
    One law for the rich, one law for the rest of us.
    Certainly sends out a message to women, dont expect justice if the fcuker that sexually assaults has money and friends!
    And people in Ireland were complaining about the justice system in Mauritus.


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    kr7
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    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0730/lyons-jailed-for-six-months-for-sexual-assault.html



    How in God's name does the judge feel that 6 months is an appropriate sentence for such a sinister sexual assault? The woman in question was a teacher of one of his kids, and when in court he tried to blame his "cholestoral medication"?

    This guy lives down the road from me and I certainly don't want him out in 6 bloody months.

    Thing is though, he'll probably be out in 2 months.

    Maybe it's time the people in Ireland started dispensing their own justice.

    I know that if it was my daughter that he attacked, he'd be begging to be put in jail for the full six years and more.


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    coach23
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    out of 6 months to serve he'll probably serve 2, in Arbour hill, cushy, then live his life like nothing happened. once again our justice system insults the victim and looks after the criminal


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    ejmaztec
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    Ben D Bus wrote: »
    Can we introduce a garlic ban to AH?

    Okay, just for you Dracula.


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    Jimmyhologram
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    Woke up with a dodgy tummy today, actually feel properly sick after reading about this.


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    Frankie Lee
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    Last Friday from the same judge.
    www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/no-jail-for-man-who-indecently-assaulted-seven-year-old-boy-560932.html


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    SocSocPol
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    Frankie Lee wrote: »
    Last Friday from the same judge.
    www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/no-jail-for-man-who-indecently-assaulted-seven-year-old-boy-560932.html

    In my opinion the Judge is a disgrace, I for one will be writing to the DPP asking that she appeal the sentence in the Lyons case.


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    #22
    I am pie
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    We must surely bring in minimum mandatory sentences for certain offences. I am sick to my stomach thinking about the ordeal the poor woman went through in court, her bravery to see it through and get a conviction...only for this fcking wretched judge to throw it back in her face and have this vermin out walking the streets before Christmas.

    Yes, great incentive to take sexual assault cases to court for victims everywhere.


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    Richard Hillman
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    If it was a skanger off the street he would have gotten a similar sentence. Its nothing to do with wealth. Sentences for serious crimes in Ireland are always too soft.


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    asherbassad
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    75k can hire a lot of muscle to get things done when the courts screw you.


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    bbam
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    kr7 wrote: »
    I know that if it was my daughter that he attacked, he'd be begging to be put in jail for the full six years and more.

    Bingo!
    I always think of the guy who was released after his sentace for sexual assault. He went missing and they later found his arm or something washed up on a beach. I couldn't imagine if this was my daughter, I'd happily do time for what I'd do to him.


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    #26
    SocSocPol
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If it was a skanger off the street he would have gotten a similar sentence. Its nothing to do with wealth. Sentences for serious crimes in Ireland are always too soft.
    If you believe that then you are deluded.:mad:


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    davet82
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    i think the girl done well to get €75k and a few months, i'm surprised he wasnt on the bus home with her tbh

    sickening stuff


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    Plazaman
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    Disgraceful sentence but looking at the bigger picture, sentencing in general in Ireland is so far out of whack with other countries it's laughable. Then again if we did have the tougher sentences, where do we put the offenders since the prisons in this country are dangerously overcrowded?

    Even in prison, money talks according to THIS.


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    #29
    bbam
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If it was a skanger off the street he would have gotten a similar sentence. Its nothing to do with wealth. Sentences for serious crimes in Ireland are always too soft.
    What!
    It's well known that if you can splash the cash on a good solicitor you have a much better chance of getting away with a slap on the wrist. Judges in general are too removed from society.


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    davet82
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,753 ✭✭✭davet82


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If it was a skanger off the street he would have gotten a similar sentence.

    Justice is suppose to blind but in Ireland its been to specsavers :rolleyes:


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    Ray Palmer
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    bbam wrote: »
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If it was a skanger off the street he would have gotten a similar sentence. Its nothing to do with wealth. Sentences for serious crimes in Ireland are always too soft.
    What!
    It's well known that if you can splash the cash on a good solicitor you have a much better chance of getting away with a slap on the wrist. Judges in general are too removed from society.
    Sorry that is just how everything works. More money means you can buy better services. The suggestion here is the 75k got him a lesser sentence. Further suggestions are he knows people who somehow got the judge to give him a lesser sentence.
    Considering the sentence sounds like other sentences I doubt that. If somebody can show a grossly different sentence for a similar crime that would support the claims.
    The judge would consider the likelihood of repeating the offense and the effect the sentence has.
    It seems very lenient but sentences often do.
    Really weird he would try this close to his home.


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