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What Sort Of Political Reform Would You Be In Favour Of ?

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  • 03-07-2012 3:57pm
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    Am Chile
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    Some people might say the Irish Political system needs to changed and reformed I tend to be of the same view, if you re in favour of poltical reform what type of reform would you be in favour of ? Id be in favour of seeing the following changes to the Irish poltical system, feel free to discuss and agree or disagree and put your own ideas forward

    1 Id like to see Swiss style Referendums like they have in Switzerland, it would give people a direct say in certain issues, paying back unsecured bondholders/bailing out banks/ private property rights issues, ie property tax.
    In Switzerland Swiss voters can demand a binding referendum at federal, cantonal and municipal level. They are a central feature of Swiss political life. It is not the government's choice whether or when a referendum is held, but it is a legal procedure regulated by the Swiss constitution. There are two types of referendums:
    Facultative referendum: Any federal law, certain other federal resolutions, and international treaties that are ongoing in nature, or any change to Swiss law may be subject to referendum if at least 50,000 people or eight cantons have petitioned to do so within 100 days. Within cantons and municipalities, the required number of people is smaller, and there may be additional causes for a facultative referendum, e.g., expenditures that exceed a certain amount of money. The facultative referendum is the most common type of referendum, and it is mostly carried out by political parties or by interest groups.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Switzerland

    2 Seanad reform senators should be directly elected by the people.

    3 In local elections mayors should be directly elected by the people providing they have served on the local council.

    4 Recall elections, if people aren,t happy with the performance of someone or if an elected official breaks enough pre election promises, or in the current Mick Wallace situation if a scandal arises about an elected official there should be a recall election and leave the people decide if they still want that person to represent their constituency or not.


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    FatherLen
    Registered Users Posts: 3,808 ✭✭✭FatherLen


    take it to politics forum.


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    #3
    uch
    Registered Users Posts: 7,008 ✭✭✭uch


    Burn them all in Hell

    21/25



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    The_Minister
    Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I've all but given up on having proper reform.

    People don't want to think of and treat the system as a whole, they just want to break things down.


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    wes
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    I would like to point out that the Swiss system does have its problems for example, it took till 1990 until the last Canton allowed Women the right to vote. Direct democracy can essentially become mob rule as well, and result in really silly things like Women not being able to vote for decades after most the world.


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    Kurz
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    Am Chile wrote: »
    1 Id like to see Swiss style Referendums like they have in Switzerland, it would give people a direct say in certain issues, paying back unsecured bondholders/bailing out banks/ private property rights issues, ie property tax.

    Bizarrely the most cost effective and efficient way of setting this up would have been with some kind of electronic voting network and we made a right balls of that.


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    bgrizzley
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    one of those political recalls where you can get a lying b@stard voted out again with enough support.
    Failing that, what Uch said.....


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    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    bgrizzley wrote: »
    one of those political recalls where you can get a lying b@stard voted out again with enough support.
    Failing that, what Uch said.....

    Exactly it would make think politicians think twice before telling lies pre election in order to get elected.


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    Scioch
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,249 ✭✭✭Scioch


    In order to run for a seat in the dail you should have to be nominated by an academic institution. To be eligible for nomination you would have to have obtained a masters or whatever in your chosen field of study or be a member of the staff or what have ya.

    It should not be a public popularity contest. The Mick Wallaces running on the back of nothing other than owning a football team is just stupid. Those people offer nothing to the Dail and nothing to the country.


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    stimpson
    Registered Users Posts: 7,815 ✭✭✭stimpson


    As its AH, I say we should hang one TD a year from a lamp post in Merrion Square. Just to put manners on them. We could make it into a Big Brother style competition where you could ring in to vote for your least favourite.

    Or maybe burn them Wicker Man style. The original Wicker Man of course - not the remake. That was sh1te.


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    Am Chile
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,025 ✭✭✭Am Chile


    wes wrote: »
    I would like to point out that the Swiss system does have its problems for example, it took till 1990 until the last Canton allowed Women the right to vote. Direct democracy can essentially become mob rule as well, and result in really silly things like Women not being able to vote for decades after most the world.

    While I would think it was backward about women not having the right to vote until 1990, direct democracy can also give people a direct say on matters that will effect them, the referendum in Iceland springs to mind where they had a referendum and direct say on bailing out Icesave.


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    Duggys Housemate
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    Have one constituency for Ireland.
    A president with real powers who selects the cabinet. from the dail or without.

    The Swiss system is even more populist than here.


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    Duggys Housemate
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,298 ✭✭✭Duggys Housemate


    Am Chile wrote: »
    wes wrote: »
    I would like to point out that the Swiss system does have its problems for example, it took till 1990 until the last Canton allowed Women the right to vote. Direct democracy can essentially become mob rule as well, and result in really silly things like Women not being able to vote for decades after most the world.

    While I would think it was backward about women not having the right to vote until 1990, direct democracy can also give people a direct say on matters that will effect them, the referendum in Iceland springs to mind where they had a referendum and direct say on bailing out Icesave.

    And oppose abortion.


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    Roadend
    Registered Users Posts: 885 ✭✭✭Roadend


    Cut all expenses and give them a wage with a cap at say 100k depending on length of service. Career politicians would be swiftly weeded out and you might get politicians who are interested in doing the job rather than bleeding the system dry.
    Oh and burn them all.


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    KeithM89_old
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    Use the Politics Forum, we dont want AH to get bogged with threads like this.


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