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Congenital joint laxity and dwarfism

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  • 02-03-2012 5:53pm
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    hammer73
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    Anyone had "Congenital joint laxity and dwarfismin" in their suckler calves or heard of this happening to anyone before.

    A friend of mine has just started calving and it looks like he is going to have a problem with this.

    Any information or insight appreciated


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    Kovu
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    hammer73 wrote: »
    Anyone had "Congenital joint laxity and dwarfismin" in their suckler calves or heard of this happening to anyone before.

    A friend of mine has just started calving and it looks like he is going to have a problem with this.

    Any information or insight appreciated


    We had one last year. There's not really much you can do. Feed more concentrates next year during the first trimester of pregnancy and be there for when the cow calves. Ours couldn't stand on its own for a day.


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    pakalasa
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    I remember reading in the journal that it had something to do with silage being too leafy rather than stemmy. Not enough fibre in the diet at the critical pregnancy stage.


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    blue5000
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    Karen I think it's a mineral def in the middle tri-mester of pregnancy that causes it? Greysides on here should be able to help us.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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    Kovu
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    blue5000 wrote: »
    Karen I think it's a mineral def in the middle tri-mester of pregnancy that causes it? Greysides on here should be able to help us.

    I could be wrong with the stage of it. I just was in a hurry and that came to mind.


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    greysides
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    While the exact cause of dwarfism has not been discovered

    This is a quote from an article in the IFJ, probably the article alluded to above.

    The article can be found here.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

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    Bizzum
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    Might I ask, in this condition do calves exhibit both the dwarfism and joint laxity?

    Three calves this year at home bad on the front joints, from birth, unable to get up and suckle but motor well after a few days. None dwarfs, in fact all serious calves. Is there a link with selenium deficiency in a case like this?
    I've more questions than answers here!


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    Kovu
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Might I ask, in this condition do calves exhibit both the dwarfism and joint laxity?

    Three calves this year at home bad on the front joints, from birth, unable to get up and suckle but motor well after a few days. None dwarfs, in fact all serious calves. Is there a link with selenium deficiency in a case like this?
    I've more questions than answers here!

    Any of them lie like a dog after birth? Ours lay with her front legs straight out from her.


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    greysides
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    Bizzum wrote: »
    Might I ask, in this condition do calves exhibit both the dwarfism and joint laxity?

    I've only seen one outbreak of this, but 'yes'. It's a shades of grey situation. Some calves are small but viable- quite close to normal, others won't ever stand.

    Three calves this year at home bad on the front joints, from birth, unable to get up and suckle but motor well after a few days. None dwarfs, in fact all serious calves. Is there a link with selenium deficiency in a case like this?

    Sounds more like Contracted Tendons, cause also uncertain. Possibly Selenium deficiency, possibly BVD involved; probably other associations too.

    The aim of argument, or of discussion, should not be victory, but progress. Joseph Joubert

    The ultimate purpose of debate is not to produce consensus. It's to promote critical thinking.

    Adam Grant



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    Bizzum
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    Karen112 wrote: »
    Any of them lie like a dog after birth? Ours lay with her front legs straight out from her.

    One of them still does. Funny looking sight.


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    Jack C
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    I've been having 1 or 2 cases for the last 4 or 5 years. Dwarfed and also the bottom half of the legs sort of bowed forward. Thought it was to do with BVD as I had problems with that too. Vet said it was due to inadequate uptake of manganese. They were on silage(good quality) only. Calves lived and went ahead but never amounted to much.


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    pakalasa
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    Pre-calving minerals - Anyone have doubts that they're a waste of time and money now ???


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