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    #32
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    low corporate taxes lead to more companies wanting to be here and more jobs, we sort of need jobs

    They also allow companies to consume resources here without paying the taxes appropriate to their usage. Which in itself can cause damage.


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    #33
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    They also allow companies to consume resources here without paying the taxes appropriate to their usage. Which in itself can cause damage.

    What resources would that be??

    they still have to pay VAT btw :rolleyes:


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    #34
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    What resources would that be??

    they still have to pay VAT btw :rolleyes:

    Anything relating to operating the business in the country in obvious addition to their obligation to pay taxes for merely operating in the country itself.

    One of the main issues being taken with the google situation is that as the company chooses Ireland for purely tax dodging purposes, the employment it provides in the country is only based on this fact. Its not the long term sustainable employment that the country needs. While it is a short term boost... well we all know what short term views have done to the country.


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    #35
    AdamD
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    Stopped reading when you compared corporation tax figures to turnover.


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    #36
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    AdamD wrote: »
    Stopped reading when you compared corporation tax figures to turnover.

    Where?


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    #37
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,514 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Where?

    First line?


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    #38
    mossyc123
    Registered Users Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    These Marquee MNC's (Google, Facebook,etc) who base their EMEA operations in Ireland do provide a good few thousand jobs here.

    What i'd be interested to find out is how many of their employees are actually Irish.

    From my experience the majority seem to be from other EU countries and beyond.

    Our weakness in foreign languages seems to be a big factor in this.


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    #39
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    Anything relating to operating the business in the country in obvious addition to their obligation to pay taxes for merely operating in the country itself.

    What is this is "anything"? if you think I will let you off with making throw away remarks, then you are mistaken.

    They have to pay for electricity, premises (that large building from nama from bought recently), bandwidth, datacenter space, equipment and so on, all of these have VAT and other taxes and thats before we get to employer taxes

    so once again what resources are they using and "not paying appropriate taxation" for

    and what about companies which depend and work with Google, like this site?

    ChRoMe wrote: »

    One of the main issues being taken with the google situation is that as the company chooses Ireland for purely tax dodging purposes, the employment it provides in the country is only based on this fact. Its not the long term sustainable employment that the country needs. While it is a short term boost... well we all know what short term views have done to the country.

    Its better than nothing, which is what this country had for a long time with a history of isolationism


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    From my experience the majority seem to be from other EU countries and beyond.

    Our weakness in foreign languages seems to be a big factor in this.

    Math, Science and Languages are ignored and shunned by students (the state is also to blame) here :( to their loss may I add...


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    #40
    ChRoMe
    Registered Users Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭ChRoMe


    They should be taxed on the basis that they use Ireland to funnel vast amounts of money through our system and then back out. We should get a cut of the huge amount of taxes their are ****ing the american tax payer on ;)


    The better than nothing argument.. is short sighted and means you are just delaying the inevitable, it doesn't go towards any long term stability. The minute they find a better deal somewhere they will be gone. That doesn't appear to hold an issue for you while I dont agree with it, thats your right.


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    #41
    Tigger
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    i doubt they pay vat they may charge a bit on irish ads but thats it
    forgein ads are vat exempt btw

    i don't have to and my turnover is a lot lower


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    #42
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    ChRoMe wrote: »
    They should be taxed on the basis that they use Ireland to funnel vast amounts of money through our system and then back out. We should get a cut of the huge amount of taxes their are ****ing the american tax payer on ;)
    .

    Ah taxing their turnover nonsense again
    what do you think would happen to just about every business in this country if you implement your braindead taxation proposal
    or do you propose we make a law just for google, what happens when they say "feck it" and leave? sure whats few more thousands more people on the dole

    Tigger wrote: »
    i doubt they pay vat they may charge a bit on irish ads but thats it
    forgein ads are vat exempt btw

    i don't have to and my turnover is a lot lower

    would your business survive if you were taxed in your turnover


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    #43
    Nody
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    ChRoMe wrote: »
    They should be taxed on the basis that they use Ireland to funnel vast amounts of money through our system and then back out. We should get a cut of the huge amount of taxes their are ****ing the american tax payer on ;)
    And do you think they would:

    a) Move to a new country allowing said throughput style at a slightly higher local tax rate or,
    b) Stay in Ireland and pay more taxes because they like Ireland and want to pay more taxes here


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    #44
    ei.sdraob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭ei.sdraob


    Sure they wont be able to leave Ireland
    :D our resident socialists would keep Google et al "contained" within the Irish equivalent of Berlin Wall

    1982035178_a63a4d1399.jpg

    :eek:


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    #45
    liammur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,461 ✭✭✭liammur


    ei.sdraob wrote: »
    low corporate taxes lead to more companies wanting to be here and more jobs, we sort of need jobs

    We need food, should we allow the likes of tescos every subsidy under the sun? Of course not.

    These companies need educated employees just as much as countries need jobs.

    Pay your way MNCs. They are free riders and us pawns are bowing to them.


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    #46
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    Google low taxes? I did and I got this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Not bad on personal tax are we? and this

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126614692


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    #47
    dunphy3
    Registered Users Posts: 85 ✭✭dunphy3


    Godge wrote: »
    Google low taxes? I did and I got this:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_rates_around_the_world

    Not bad on personal tax are we? and this

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126614692
    cant low taxes and goverment grants be linked to how long a company/coperation is in ireland?


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    #48
    Godge
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,727 ✭✭✭✭Godge


    dunphy3 wrote: »
    cant low taxes and goverment grants be linked to how long a company/coperation is in ireland?

    I think the IDA do that in some cases, but there is limited value. Say you tell a company that you will pay the grant over ten years provided they stay in Ireland. They may walk away saying Scotland don't have that requirement, we will go there or they may say we don't know what we will be doing as a company by then.


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