Walter Fauntroy, Feared Dead in Libya, Returns Home—Guess Who He Saw Doing the Killin

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2011 01:58AM #1

It wasn't the Libyans

Former U.S. Congressman Walter Fauntroy, who recently returned from a self-sanctioned peace mission to Libya, said he went into hiding for about a month in Libya after witnessing horrifying events in Libya's bloody civil war -- a war that Fauntroy claims is backed by European forces.

Fauntroy's sudden disappearance prompted rumors and news reports that he had been killed.

In an interview inside his Northwest D.C. home last week, the noted civil rights leader, told the Afro that he watched French and Danish troops storm small villages late at night beheading, maiming and killing rebels and loyalists to show them who was in control.

"'What the hell' I'm thinking to myself. I'm getting out of here. So I went in hiding," Fauntroy said.

The rebels told Fauntroy they had been told by the European forces to stay inside. According to Fauntroy, the European forces would tell the rebels, "'Look at what you did.' In other words, the French and Danish were ordering the bombings and killings, and giving credit to the rebels.

"The truth about all this will come out later," Fauntroy said.

While in Libya, the former congressman also said he sat down with Libyan leader Moammar Gaddafi for a one-on-one conversation. Gaddafi has ruled Libya since 1969, when he seized power in a military coup.

Fauntroy said he spoke with Gaddafi in person and that Gaddafi assured him that if he survived these attacks, the mission to unite African countries would continue.

"Contrary to what is being reported in the press, from what I heard and observed, more than 90 percent of the Libyan people love Gaddafi," Fauntroy said. "We believe the true mission of the attacks on Gaddafi is to prevent all efforts by African leaders to stop the recolonization of Africa."

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=72369

He is describing horrific NATO war crimes here. He is no mug, he is a civil rights leaders and former US Congressman. NATO killing civilians to protect civilians. What a wonderful world we live in.

hooradiation · 11-09-2011 02:43AM

from further down the article.

Fauntroy's account could not be immediately verified by the Afro and the U.S. State Department has not substantiated Fauntroy's version of events. Fauntroy was not acting as an official representative of the U.S. in Libya. He returned to Washington, D.C. on Aug. 31.

So I'd hold off on the definitive statements of "NATO killing civilians to protect civilians" just yet.
In fact, this seems dodgy all over.

My first question would be how he knew the people he's alleging he saw were
A] The nationality he said they were
B] NATO troops.

and even after that we can get into what period of time this month he spent in hiding took place.

He was interviewed by the telegraph on the 24th or so, and says
"I came here over a week ago now and have been working on a long term effort to rally the genuine spiritual leaders of the world ... to work out a peace agreement."

so that'd mean he arrived in and around 17th of August, was interviewed a week later and then was home in time to take part in remembrances for Martin Luther King's 'i have a dream' speech on the 28th of the same.

So, where is this 'month' coming from? That's two weeks, tops.

Jonny7 · 11-09-2011 02:52AM

Well he was stuck in the Rixos hotel from the 23rd, and was released with all the other journo's on the 25th.

So between the 17th and the 23rd he met with Gaddafi and saw French and Danish troops beheading people.

meglome · 11-09-2011 03:03AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It wasn't the Libyans

http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=72369

He is describing horrific NATO war crimes here. He is no mug, he is a civil rights leaders and former US Congressman. NATO killing civilians to protect civilians. What a wonderful world we live in.

Makes an interesting story however a number of things just don't ring true about it. Since when do western special forces behead people and certainly why would they behead rebels and loyalists? Besides as far as anyone can tell there are no Danish or French troops in Libya and other than this article no one is saying otherwise.

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2011 04:06AM

meglome wrote: »

Makes an interesting story however a number of things just don't ring true about it. Since when do western special forces behead people and certainly why would they behead rebels and loyalists? .

Since when do UN "peacekeeping" troops roast a small Somali boy over an open fire for fun?

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it doesn't happen,

meglome wrote: »

Besides as far as anyone can tell there are no Danish or French troops in Libya and other than this article no one is saying otherwise.

Well thats false.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/libya-conflict-british-french-soldiers-rebels-sirte

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2011 04:10AM

Jonny7 wrote: »

Well he was stuck in the Rixos hotel from the 23rd, and was released with all the other journo's on the 25th.

So between the 17th and the 23rd he met with Gaddafi and saw French and Danish troops beheading people.

Did you even read the Telegraphy article???

Article was published on the 24th. It quite clearly says the interview happened last night. And it quite clearly states "over a week ago" Since when was over a week equal to 7 days? Talk about clutching at straws.

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2011 04:16AM

hooradiation wrote: »

from further down the article.

So I'd hold off on the definitive statements of "NATO killing civilians to protect civilians" just yet.
In fact, this seems dodgy all over.

My first question would be how he knew the people he's alleging he saw were
A] The nationality he said they were
B] NATO troops.

Uniforms I'd imagine, but I don't know anything further beyond what he's said here.

meglome · 11-09-2011 05:38AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Since when do UN "peacekeeping" troops roast a small Somali boy over an open fire for fun?

Just because you can't fathom it doesn't mean it doesn't happen,

I never said that troops working on behalf of the UN are incapable of doing wrong. I'm not remotely shocked that soldiers can torture people, even a child. It's happened in every conflict to some degree I'd imagine. In this instance though I don't see how beheading rebels and loyalists in Libya makes any sense.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Well thats false.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/25/libya-conflict-british-french-soldiers-rebels-sirte

Indeed and to be fair I did assume there would be some small number of troops of some western nationality on the ground to direct the air strikes. As far as I can tell there are no Danish troops. You'd think the rebels would speak up if the French had beheaded people. Sounds like a made up story to be honest.

If I had to guess I'd say the story will be refuted but it'll spread through the internet and will be used as reference forever more, even though it didn't happen.

hooradiation · 11-09-2011 11:39AM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Uniforms I'd imagine, but I don't know anything further beyond what he's said here.

His story doesn't make any chronological sense though, by his own words. There is no physical way we could have spent, as he said in the original article, more than a month in hiding and not contacting his family seeing as he said that he had only been in the country for "over a week" by the 24th.

Now I'm willing to accept he may have been exaggerating the time he spent on this 'mission' for his own sense of self worth but so much of this story doesn't mesh.
For example the article claims that he was "Feared dead" on blogs, yet I can't find anything online where people are positing that he may be dead - in fact the only results I get for any variant of the phrases "Walter Fauntroy" + "dead" + Libya" is places where the article in OP has been reposted.

And it's also strange that once he was in the Rixos he was giving interviews, but never once hinted at any of the events that he's talking about now.
For example here's a transcript of an interview he gave with CNN's wolf blitzer - once again "been here over a week" and I have to start to wonder why he didn't use this opportunity to speak out about these war crimes?

There would have to be a far more substantive statement by Mr Fauntroy before I'd even consider this story worth paying any more attention to.
Hopefully, he'll oblige us at some point, because if he is telling the truth he has an obligation to.

Jonny7 · 11-09-2011 12:00PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Did you even read the Telegraphy article???

Article was published on the 24th. It quite clearly says the interview happened last night. And it quite clearly states "over a week ago" Since when was over a week equal to 7 days? Talk about clutching at straws.

I read a good few articles on this. I saw pics of him in the Rixos (because I was following reports of the journalists trapped in the hotel at the time) Some say over a week, some say "a week". In either case it doesn't appear to be a month, why he'd claim that is a little strange.

Actually he must have missed the Martin Luther remembrance, because he left Tripoli on the 28th and arrived in Malta on the 29th.

Brown Bomber · 11-09-2011 04:20PM

meglome wrote: »

I never said that troops working on behalf of the UN are incapable of doing wrong. I'm not remotely shocked that soldiers can torture people, even a child. It's happened in every conflict to some degree I'd imagine. In this instance though I don't see how beheading rebels and loyalists in Libya makes any sense.

You honestly don't see how having decapitated bodies and mass graves of valiant freedom fighters bravely challenging their brutal oppressor lying around could give a propoganda advantage?

Besides, Fauntroy has said that it was to show who was in control. That is just his opinion of course. I don't expect he stopped them to ask them why.

meglome wrote: »

Indeed and to be fair I did assume there would be some small number of troops of some western nationality on the ground to direct the air strikes. As far as I can tell there are no Danish troops. You'd think the rebels would speak up if the French had beheaded people. Sounds like a made up story to be honest.

Now your just moving the goalposts.

meglome wrote: »

If I had to guess I'd say the story will be refuted but it'll spread through the internet and will be used as reference forever more, even though it didn't happen.

It may or may not have happened. Obviously, the statements of a randomer of an internet who wasn't in Libya carry far less weight than a man who actually was there.

Cork boy 55 · 11-09-2011 04:37PM

post traumatic stress disorder

meglome · 11-09-2011 05:13PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You honestly don't see how having decapitated bodies and mass graves of valiant freedom fighters bravely challenging their brutal oppressor lying around could give a propoganda advantage?

Makes no sense... Gaddafi has been oppressing the Libyan population since he took over. There are many many instances of abuses. There is absolutely no need for any further 'propaganda advantage'.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Besides, Fauntroy has said that it was to show who was in control. That is just his opinion of course. I don't expect he stopped them to ask them why.

The Western troops in the area probably number in the tens, there are thousands of rebels. Many of these rebels are followers of the Islamic parties in Libya. You're telling me these hotheads are just going to be okay with the Westerners showing them who's in control? Sorry not buying it, makes no sense.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Now your just moving the goalposts.

Sorry if western troops are going around killing people there needs to be more than 50 or 100 of them there. There's a massive difference between a few advisor's and enough troops to throw your weight around. Also I can't find any reference to any Danish troops being in the country, yet they supposedly were doing the killing.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

It may or may not have happened. Obviously, the statements of a randomer of an internet who wasn't in Libya carry far less weight than a man who actually was there.

It just doesn't ring true, as others have said the timeline is even off. He's supposedly missing but a number of media outlets seen or interviewed him in the hotel. I'm questioning if this is actually what Fauntroy even said. I'm questioning what some random site on the internet says that no one has got any verification on. Cart before the horse there BB, can we show it actually happened before we start discussing the implications of it.

Monty Burnz · 11-09-2011 05:40PM

This story is very odd: he was in the Rixos hotel and had been there for just over a week (?) and a few days later he was back in the US. When he gets back to the US, he says he was in hiding (in the Rixos hotel, with the world media

) for a month (?) having seen murders by European troops of fighters on both sides that nobody else has spoken about (for some reason).

Even if we ignore the timeline issues - who was he travelling with? Where was he? What was he doing in these villages?

Very strange.

There's also a comment section under the story in Afro - here's one such comment:

WAPO & WASH TIMES won't touch this... can we get funding for Independent Investigations, somewhere? Once Ghaddafi said he was going to stamp GOLD one ounce DINARS, to replace the U.S. Dollar (USD) as "Reserve Currency" throughout the world, his fate was sealed. That's what brought down Hussein, too. The Rothchild Bankster-Gangsters OWN every "Central Bank", in EVERY Country, except Iran, Sudan, Cuba, & North Korea. If the IMF & WORLD BANK can't make slaves out of you, they call in Obomba & NATO mercenaries to bomb you into "Regime Change" (Who is next? Iran or Venezuela?)

Another:

The last paragragh is quite familiar as it enhances the thought that blood diamonds, substantiated, and minerals that are in the various countries are presently being taking out. Over and under the table, and only the well off and ruthless can corner the market and protect their "shipments". Check with the super church guy also on the matter. They have bought a swath of land which leads to the roads that take it out of the country. What's new? What Europe missed the first time around, has become the gold of the future. Remember the Plame business? That was about uranium. The smaller and more efficient battery's are what plastics were in the 60's.

Some of them are a bit odd:

KeaOboka Oora Molomo
Mbarika, sister, daughter of Isis,keep feeding this leech I a m until. I become a revolutionary that you too would Love!

I new it they want the black nation for them self and kill us.

I have a sneaking suspicion that a lot of these people do not have the education to know that North Africa is not 'black' the way sub-saharan Africa is.
http://www.afro.com/sections/news/national/story.htm?storyid=72369

Jonny7 · 11-09-2011 06:19PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

This story is very odd: he was in the Rixos hotel and had been there for just over a week (?) and a few days later he was back in the US. When he gets back to the US, he says he was in hiding (in the Rixos hotel, with the world media ) for a month (?) having seen murders by European troops of fighters on both sides that nobody else has spoken about (for some reason).

Well he turned up in the Rixos hotel on the 23rd, left on the 25th, then made it to Malta on the 29th and back to the States from there.

The week (or so) before that is a lot less clear. He was there with a preacher KA Paul (bit of a dodgy chap) as part of a peace mission, although its unclear how he found himself on the front-line and in an interview with Gaddafi himself.

Jonny7 · 12-09-2011 11:24AM

Reading up on this its hard not to notice the sheer volume of CT and "truth" sites out there that have picked this up as news.

If it validates their opinion then up it goes, doesn't matter if its from Iran, Russia, some nutjob who used to be a government worker, whoever.. and then they have the cheek to preach about propaganda

jaysus

jackiebaron · 12-09-2011 12:49PM

meglome wrote: »

I never said that troops working on behalf of the UN are incapable of doing wrong. I'm not remotely shocked that soldiers can torture people, even a child. It's happened in every conflict to some degree I'd imagine. In this instance though I don't see how beheading rebels and loyalists in Libya makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense. Why would American intelligence services in Iraq plant bombs in crowded market places? Simple. To blame it on the insurgency and stoke up fear and hatred of the insurgents by the general population. Why did the Brits slaughter thousands of Kenyan civilians in appalling atrocities in Kenya? Simple. To blame on the Mau-Maus and destroy any support they might have.
Why would NATO troops behead anti-Gaddafi forces? VERY SIMPLE. Blame it on Gadaffi's people and stoke up hatred of the regime. They've done this kind of sh!t in every war of occupation in history. When you can't win hearts and minds for your own side it's a lot easier to generate fear and terror and hatred of the other side.

Monty Burnz · 12-09-2011 12:51PM

This still hasn't been picked up by anyone else other than that single reporter for Afro (which I learned about for the first time Googling this story, and then the same evening saw Lester Freamon in The Wire buy one from a newspaper box - funny coincidence).

Monty Burnz · 12-09-2011 12:54PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

Why would NATO troops behead anti-Gaddafi forces? VERY SIMPLE. Blame it on Gadaffi's people and stoke up hatred of the regime. They've done this kind of sh!t in every war of occupation in history. When you can't win hearts and minds for your own side it's a lot easier to generate fear and terror and hatred of the other side.

But how would they expect everyone to stay quiet about this to further their plans? Unless they killed every single witness? And then you'd have either inexplicable massacres taking place all over Libya, or these postulated European butcher murderers taking huge risks of exposure. It seems odd that nobody noticed, except for one US congressman, who can't exactly have had a low profile.

jackiebaron · 12-09-2011 01:11PM

Monty Burnz wrote: »

But how would they expect everyone to stay quiet about this to further their plans? Unless they killed every single witness? And then you'd have either inexplicable massacres taking place all over Libya, or these postulated European butcher murderers taking huge risks of exposure. It seems odd that nobody noticed, except for one US congressman, who can't exactly have had a low profile.

It doesn't really matter how many people witness it as long as the lie can be perpetuated amongst the general population. Also it doesn't need to make it's way into the Western media or into public discourse outside of Libya. Most morons in the West hate or have a poor opinion of Gadaffi. They can't tell you why other than "he's a brutal dictator" or some other crap they've been spoon-fed. Most people in Libya LOVE Gadaffi so they are the ones who need to be swayed and terrorised into turning against him.

Having said that, I don't know if this story is true or not and I applaud those who are skeptical based on their analyses of timelines etc. But to say that NATO forces "couldn't be" murdering rebels is just naive denial. It's too uncomfortable to contemplate hence it must be untrue.

meglome · 12-09-2011 01:15PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

It makes perfect sense. Why would American intelligence services in Iraq plant bombs in crowded market places? Simple. To blame it on the insurgency and stoke up fear and hatred of the insurgents by the general population.

No it doesn't make any sense. Planting bombs in market places in Iraq would make the Americans look bad and show they can't secure the country. The Americans would love to sort the country out and leave as 'heroes'. Instead they'll be leaving with their tails between their legs. The two main flavours of Muslims are well capable of killing each other and have been for many centuries. But all of a sudden it's American intelligence even though it hinders their cause.

You need to stop reading CT sites.

jackiebaron wrote: »

Having said that, I don't know if this story is true or not and I applaud those who are skeptical based on their analyses of timelines etc. But to say that NATO forces "couldn't be" murdering rebels is just naive denial. It's too uncomfortable to contemplate hence it must be untrue.

The whole story sounds fishy which I'm guessing is why the mainstream media hasn't picked it up. But the CT sites are lining up to repeat it. Also I never said that NATO forces couldn't be murdering rebels. I said it wouldn't make any sense for them to be killing rebels and loyalists.

clever_name · 12-09-2011 01:29PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Uniforms I'd imagine, but I don't know anything further beyond what he's said here.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You honestly don't see how having decapitated bodies and mass graves of valiant freedom fighters bravely challenging their brutal oppressor lying around could give a propoganda advantage?

Do you really think that NATO would hatch a plan to send in troops to decapitate locals for propaganda purposes and have them do it while in uniform?

Take a step back and re-examine things please, IMO your logic is faulty on this point and maybe it is in other areas too.

Jonny7 · 12-09-2011 01:46PM

jackiebaron wrote: »

It makes perfect sense. Why would American intelligence services in Iraq plant bombs in crowded market places?

I don't want to go off-topic but I've never even heard this claim before, do you have any links?

Di0genes · 12-09-2011 02:21PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Uniforms I'd imagine, but I don't know anything further beyond what he's said here.

Why would these special forces types do this in uniform?

enno99 · 12-09-2011 09:47PM

hooradiation wrote: »

And it's also strange that once he was in the Rixos he was giving interviews, but never once hinted at any of the events that he's talking about now.
For example here's a transcript of an interview he gave with CNN's wolf blitzer - once again "been here over a week" and I have to start to wonder why he didn't use this opportunity to speak out about these war crimes?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C0_t_iGUic

If this is the truth
I can see why he would not open his mouth until he was on safer territory

Brown Bomber · 12-09-2011 09:59PM

Di0genes wrote: »

Why would these special forces types do this in uniform?

Cos' otherwise they'd freeze the ghoulies off themselves.

Brown Bomber · 12-09-2011 10:10PM

Jonny7 wrote: »

I don't want to go off-topic but I've never even heard this claim before, do you have any links?

This is the British but its one and the same really. http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=994

Monty Burnz · 12-09-2011 10:11PM

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Cos' otherwise they'd freeze the ghoulies off themselves.

Question asked and answered.

Brown Bomber · 12-09-2011 10:19PM

clever_name wrote: »

Do you really think that NATO would hatch a plan to send in troops to decapitate locals for propaganda purposes and have them do it while in uniform?

Take a step back and re-examine things please, IMO your logic is faulty on this point and maybe it is in other areas too.

Dear me, was that last bit really necessary? You might as well have said that "your logic is faulty and maybe you have a small cock too" but no matter, we solider on...The way I see it is that there are 4 possible scenarios here:

He is telling the truth and is giving an accurate description of events he's witnessed.
He's lying.
He is not lying but is mistaken.
He's gone a bit mental. Possibly due to the ordeal he's been through.

If pushed I'd say 3 is the most likely but as I'd said all are possible IMO. Time will tell, hopefully. I like to keep an open mind on these kind of revelations. The man was there and has no apparent reason atm to make **** up as far as I can tell.

Brown Bomber · 12-09-2011 10:22PM

meglome wrote: »

No it doesn't make any sense. Planting bombs in market places in Iraq would make the Americans look bad and show they can't secure the country. The Americans would love to sort the country out and leave as 'heroes'. Instead they'll be leaving with their tails between their legs. The two main flavours of Muslims are well capable of killing each other and have been for many centuries. But all of a sudden it's American intelligence even though it hinders their cause.

You need to stop reading CT sites.

You need to start reading CT sites. Why do you think the British had double-agents planting bombs in the North`?

Jonny7 · 12-09-2011 10:28PM

enno99 wrote: »

If this is the truth
I can see why he would not open his mouth until he was on safer territory

Thierry Meyssan is founder and chairman of the Voltaire network, author of 911 - The Big Lie. He made many contrary reports of the situation in Tripoli from the Rixos hotel and claimed that other journalists trapped there were MI6 and CIA agents who had him marked for assassination.

Mahdi Nazemroaya in the second video is a Canadian student (sociology) also working in conjunction with Voltaire. His reports from Libya echo those of Meyssan's. Both reporting for RT.

RT is Russia Today, self professed "alternative" news, set up by Putin to counter "Western media bias", their reports are a little unobjective to say the least.

Walter Fauntroy, Feared Dead in Libya, Returns Home—Guess Who He Saw Doing the Killin

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