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N21 Castleisland Bypass Thread

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  • #102
    carchaeologist
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,318 ✭✭✭✭carchaeologist


    I saw the computer simulation in Tomo Burkes window during the week,its very well put together,anyone with any interest in this project should try and get a look at it.


  • #103
    carchaeologist
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N21_road_(Ireland)
    Wikipedia article on the N21.


  • #104
    Tech3
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    carchaeologist wrote: »
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N21_road_(Ireland)
    Wikipedia article on the N21.

    I added the Castleisland bypass section to that and the picture. I might create a separate section on the page altogether though titled under construction and post up some pictures from time to time. I am currently working on the M18 wikipedia page with fellow boardsies!

    I might have a look at road construction in the next fews as I haven't managed to go on site yet. The road overbridge is one section I will be looking to see even though the road is closed to traffic


  • #105
    dmeehan
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    caught a glimpse of a diversion sign in Faranfore yesterday, advising motorists to continue on the Tralee road in order to get to Castleisland/Abbeyfeale and Limerick

    Was this something to do with the bypass construction??


  • #106
    Gussie Finknott
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    No nothing to do with the bypass,just a bit of road surfacing going on at the narrow bridge


  • #107
    Tech3
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    Has the roundabout for the Tralee road been erected yet?

    Hopefully I will get a few photos of the scheme during next week.


  • #108
    groovie
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    The missus went through there on Sunday, said that the roundabout was up for single lane traffic.


  • #109
    kerry4sam
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    tech2 wrote: »
    Has the roundabout for the Tralee road been erected yet?

    Hopefully I will get a few photos of the scheme during next week.
    groovie wrote: »
    The missus went through there on Sunday, said that the roundabout was up for single lane traffic.

    I drove that way lastnight at about 1am and it was still exactly as groovie said above


  • #110
    fresca
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    you would imagine that the n21-n23 section could open relatively quickly.
    this would take the killarney/farranfore traffic round to enter castleisland from the western side. it might ease the congestion at the n21/n23 junction somewhat. though i admit that the limerick bound traffic would still need to move through the centre of castleisland...


  • #111
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    you would imagine that the n21-n23 section could open relatively quickly.
    this would take the killarney/farranfore traffic round to enter castleisland from the western side. it might ease the congestion at the n21/n23 junction somewhat. though i admit that the limerick bound traffic would still need to move through the centre of castleisland...

    As in the Tralee rd to Farranfore rd? Yeah it can be quite busy on the N23 front when approaching Castleisland a peak times but the N21 can be just as busy.

    Is anyone located near the pound road? There is an overbridge under construction along this road. Part of the road is diverted for the road works and it will reopen in January which I'm thinking the overbridge may well be completed by then.

    I keep forgetting to check how this scheme is progressing when I'm down at home :mad:


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  • #112
    fresca
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    tech2 wrote: »
    As in the Tralee rd to Farranfore rd? Yeah it can be quite busy on the N23 front when approaching Castleisland a peak times but the N21 can be just as busy.

    I spent 30 mins at JK O'Connor's last friday evening... coming from n21 tralee side... heading towards limerick... lots of traffic coming in from n23 farranfore side.
    when you think about it, the main limerick to tralee road, comes to a T-junction with traffic lights at castleisland. seems like madness?

    anyway, 1 more year to go and it will be bypassed!!!


  • #113
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    when you think about it, the main limerick to tralee road, comes to a T-junction with traffic lights at castleisland. seems like madness?

    Yeah it is and more national primary routes do also. The N18 ends at Claregalway with a T junction with traffic lights. Before the traffic light were installed last year you had to stop and wait for about 5 mins to get onto the N17 as the road is so busy.
    anyway, 1 more year to go and it will be bypassed!!!

    It should be done for September 2010 is what I've been told. Hopefully motorists will know how to use the new road effeciently pulling into the slow lane if not overtaking.


  • #114
    dmeehan
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    tech2 wrote: »
    Hopefully motorists will know how to use the new road effeciently pulling into the slow lane if not overtaking.

    like thats ever likely to happen!
    maybe if we stopped calling it the SLOW lane there mightn't be as much of a stigma attached to it ?? :D


  • #115
    CantonaDieu
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    tech2 wrote: »
    As in the Tralee rd to Farranfore rd? Yeah it can be quite busy on the N23 front when approaching Castleisland a peak times but the N21 can be just as busy.

    Is anyone located near the pound road? There is an overbridge under construction along this road. Part of the road is diverted for the road works and it will reopen in January which I'm thinking the overbridge may well be completed by then.

    I keep forgetting to check how this scheme is progressing when I'm down at home :mad:

    The overbridge on the Pound Rd is progressing and has some of the structure in place, it is supposed to be finished before Xmas according to reports. This is been given priority due to Curranes National School being effectively cut off from Castleisland town and pupils/parents having to go through town up the Limerick Rd, past McAuliffe trucking etc down the maum to the school...a right pain!


  • #116
    Tech3
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    dmeehan wrote: »
    like thats ever likely to happen!
    maybe if we stopped calling it the SLOW lane there mightn't be as much of a stigma attached to it ?? :D

    We should just call the outside one the overtaking lane then everyone will understand :D

    I know I've been bashing on about photos but this thread really needs some at this stage, I wont be around Castleisland for a while but will aim to provide some photos of the progress soon and hopefully bi-monthly updates.


  • #117
    Tech3
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    CantonaDieu wrote: »
    The overbridge on the Pound Rd is progressing and has some of the structure in place, it is supposed to be finished before Xmas according to reports.

    Cheers for the update. I will be heading up that way to check it out in a few weeks. :)
    This is been given priority due to Curranes National School being effectively cut off from Castleisland town and pupils/parents having to go through town up the Limerick Rd, past McAuliffe trucking etc down the maum to the school...a right pain!

    Wow thats some detour there!


  • #118
    fresca
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    tech2 wrote: »
    The Castleisland bypass section on the Kerry County Council website has been updated:

    http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/n21castleislandbypass/

    It gives a good map on the bypass and also earlier parts of original route selection.

    Maybe we could be seeing the overbridge opening to traffic by the end of the year.

    The Advert pdf indicates that L-2017 (Pound Road) will be closed until Dec 21 to facilitate overbridge construction. Should be nearly there by now. Will try get photos at weekend....


  • #119
    fresca
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    Finally, some pthotos of N21 Castleisland bypass scheme.
    Taken sun 22 nov 2009.
    Sorry about delay...

    n21_01 is looking south (toward farranfore) from roundabout on tralee road
    n21_02 is roundabout on tralee road
    n21_03 is looking north (toward abbeyfealfe) from roundabout on tralee road
    n21_04 is of pound road overbridge
    n21_05 is of pound road overbridge (north face)


  • #120
    fresca
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    fresca wrote: »
    n21_01 is looking south (toward farranfore) from roundabout on tralee road
    n21_02 is roundabout on tralee road
    n21_03 is looking north (toward abbeyfealfe) from roundabout on tralee road
    n21_04 is of pound road overbridge
    n21_05 is of pound road overbridge (north face)
    n21_06 is of pound road overbridge (south)
    n21_07 is looking south (toward castleisland) from end of scheme
    n21_08 again looking south, overbridge is distance
    n21_09 again looking south, better angle on overbridge
    n21_10 more looking south


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  • #121
    fresca
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    fresca wrote: »
    n21_06 is of pound road overbridge (south)
    n21_07 is looking south (toward castleisland) from end of scheme
    n21_08 again looking south, overbridge is distance
    n21_09 again looking south, better angle on overbridge
    n21_10 more looking south

    n21_11 & n21_12 ... you get a sense of the overbridge...


    sunday was a pretty miserable day in kerry, so apologies for greyness.

    i hope you get some sense of the scheme from these photos.

    also, i don't know anything about building bridges, but it seems unlikely that bridge would open before christmas (see n21_04 & n21_05).


  • #122
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    i hope you get some sense of the scheme from these photos.

    also, i don't know anything about building bridges, but it seems unlikely that bridge would open before christmas (see n21_04 & n21_05).

    Good shots fresca. Much appreciated as I've been too lazy to take any yet.

    From the pictures the decks are up on the overbridge but no concrete filled in yet. Little needs to be done on the embarkment as the overbridge is low and sunken in between the fill. The road doesn't need to be realigned too far off the current one. Overall I cant see the bridge open to traffic til the new year.

    In fairness progress has been good considering it only started a few months ago. Looking from the pictures earthworks will continue for another few months.


  • #123
    dmeehan
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    @fresca, thanks for posting the photos
    pity about the sh!tty weather that day


  • #124
    Tech3
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    Looking at the latest newsletter for November/December there is some great shots of the overbridge on the pound road. Also the southern N21 roundabout is meant to be fully operational by year end as well as the overbridge.

    Newsletter November/December 2009


  • #125
    kerry4sam
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    The photos look impressive. Can anyone tell me are they ahead / behind / or even on-schedule. It just seems to me that great progress is being made, just curious as to the time scheduling.


  • #126
    fresca
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    kerry4sam wrote: »
    The photos look impressive. Can anyone tell me are they ahead / behind / or even on-schedule. It just seems to me that great progress is being made, just curious as to the time scheduling.

    According to this article http://www.kerryman.ie/local-notes/bypass-computer-simulation-set-to-go-on-public-display-1800824.html (and previous posts in this thread) as of July 2009, the projected opening date is Dec 2010.

    The NRA [ http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/KerryCountyCouncil/N21CastleislandBypass/SchemeName,16501,en.html ] list opening date as Q1 2011.

    BAM Civil [ http://www.asconrohcon.com/live/index.html ] don't seem to have anything listed on their site about this project.

    There doesn't appear to be an updated project schedule on any of the relevant web sites.


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  • #127
    Tech3
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    Judging by the photos it looks like it's ahead of schedule maybe by about 2-3 months. The NRA targeted completion is usually unrealistic with many schemes finishing a year ahead of schedule at times.

    I havnt seen the whole scheme but traffic driving on it sometime in September 2010 is likely.


  • #128
    CantonaDieu
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    The overbridge on the pound rd en route to the Maum opened today! Good news for Curranes school users and the locals who were cut off from town!!


  • #129
    carchaeologist
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    CantonaDieu wrote: »
    The overbridge on the pound rd en route to the Maum opened today! Good news for Curranes school users and the locals who were cut off from town!!
    Yep,i heard this too,what a day to open it,no one was able to drive up the maum in the snow id guess!!:D


  • #130
    fresca
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    CantonaDieu wrote: »
    The overbridge on the pound rd en route to the Maum opened today! Good news for Curranes school users and the locals who were cut off from town!!
    Great news. Will try get photos over the christmas period!!


  • #131
    Tech3
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    carchaeologist wrote: »
    Yep,i heard this too,what a day to open it,no one was able to drive up the maum in the snow id guess!!:D

    I agree it's too risky driving up that direction on these icy mornings! Great to hear it's opened though.


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  • #132
    carchaeologist
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    Drove over it today just to have a look,nice job,its still just a quarry underneath though,very little road dug out,but they are getting there:)


  • #133
    fresca
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    Furet [ http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/member.php?u=71931 ] now has a corresponding thread over on the infrastructure section [ http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055776672 ].


  • #134
    Tech3
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    Yeah I originally considered starting the thread over on infrastructure but I thought it would get more attention and input here which it is.

    It's a great thread so far.

    On the Kilarney end(N22) there is a few disgruntled people arguing with the routing of the bypass instead favouring to stretching it out further to avoid the narrow bridge futher south of the roundabout.


  • #135
    fresca
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    photos taken on the 28th dec 2009.
    n21_01 is of the new bridge on the pound road
    n21_02 & n21_03 are views from the bridge looking south
    n21_04 is a view from the bridge looking north


    as you can see, all the work has really focused on getting the bridge complete and the road open to ease access for local residents. (fair play to contractors!!!)


  • #136
    fresca
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    fresca wrote: »
    photos taken on the 28th dec 2009.
    n21_01 is of the new bridge on the pound road
    n21_02 & n21_03 are views from the bridge looking south
    n21_04 is a view from the bridge looking north
    n21_05 is of the underpass located a few hundred meters south of the bridge.


  • #137
    Tech3
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    I see the scheme is advancing towards the tie in now with the climbing lane on the N21. The N23 roundabout has been in operation for some time now as well just worth mentioning it as users might not pass down that direction too often.


  • #138
    littlemissteach
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    hey does anyone have any idea when this bypass will be completed??I travel Limk - tralee fair bit and castleisland just takes forever to get through...so I'm really looking forward to the bypass although I will miss looking at the window of Joi!
    Anyone have any idea yet how long it might take off the journey time??


  • #139
    Tech3
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    littlemissteach wrote: »
    hey does anyone have any idea when this bypass will be completed??I travel Limk - tralee fair bit and castleisland just takes forever to get through...so I'm really looking forward to the bypass although I will miss looking at the window of Joi!
    Anyone have any idea yet how long it might take off the journey time??

    It should be open this year as early as September. 20 mins peak probably and 10 mins off peak.


  • #140
    fresca
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    according to the department of transport press release... the N21 adare bypass will proceed to cpo during 2010.

    http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=170


  • #141
    Tech3
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    fresca wrote: »
    according to the department of transport press release... the N21 adare bypass will proceed to cpo during 2010.

    http://www.transport.ie/pressRelease.aspx?Id=170

    Yeah interesting development, it's being built as part of the M20 motorway. There is absolutely no money available for any future road builds only the PPP method with hard tolls or shadow tolls. Originally the M20 was on the PPP list to go ahead but has been pushed back by M11 schemes, M17/M18 Gort to Tuam, Galway Outer Bypass and Newlands Cross upgrade.

    So no Adare bypass til 2016 at the earliest if not 2020.


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  • #142
    Tech3
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    I had a look at the scheme today on a lovely wednesday evening. The scheme is mixed with progress. The first photo is of the N21 approaching Castleisland with the T21 signage for the Bypass:

    DSC02883.jpg

    The roundabout u/c for the N21 Tralee road. This is not fully operational yet as there is only one exit available. The N23 roundabout is fully operational with the 2 exits(including Bam site office).

    DSC02884.jpg

    Heres the mainline of the new N21 approaching the current N21 (Limerick road) climbing lane at Doneen. You can see the underbridge for the golf link road in the background.

    DSC02878.jpg

    Here the underbridge up close. Work was commencing on earthworks north of the bridge.

    DSC02876.jpg

    An underpass for the L6541 local road. No embankment done here.
    DSC02879.jpg

    The L2017 pound rd overbridge
    DSC02880.jpg

    Looking north from the L2017 overbridge
    DSC02882.jpg

    Looking south from the L2017 overbridge
    DSC02881.jpg

    Judging on what I've seen September may be too early to have this completed. Earthworks are very slow north of the L2017 overbridge with no embankment done for the underpasses above it. Also the tie in with the N21 Limerick road is moving at a slow pace. But for such a relatively short distance I would expect this to be finished before December at least.


  • #143
    kerry4sam
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    tech2 wrote: »
    I had a look at the scheme today on a lovely wednesday evening. The scheme is mixed with progress. The first photo is of the N21 approaching Castleisland with the T21 signage for the Bypass:
    ...
    Judging on what I've seen September may be too early to have this completed. Earthworks are very slow north of the L2017 overbridge with no embankment done for the underpasses above it. Also the tie in with the N21 Limerick road is moving at a slow pace. But for such a relatively short distance I would expect this to be finished before December at least.

    Tech2, thank you. It's unreal the progress in motion in the pictures that have been posted since the outset. With my now travelling to Limerick at least 3times a week now which I haven't done in a few years, I am seriously willing this project along :cool:


  • #144
    cjpm
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    tech2 wrote: »
    Judging on what I've seen September may be too early to have this completed. Earthworks are very slow north of the L2017 overbridge with no embankment done for the underpasses above it. Also the tie in with the N21 Limerick road is moving at a slow pace. But for such a relatively short distance I would expect this to be finished before December at least.


    You'd be surprised the amount of earthworks that could be done in 1-2 months if BAM wanted to rush it. I'd imagine however there is no early completion bonus for this so they'll take their time to keep their own fellas busy. Anyway earthmoving is a disater when the weather is anyway poor.


  • #145
    fresca
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    Thanks for the photos!!!!
    BAM focused on getting the over-bridge and under-passes complete up to christmas.
    Hopefully, the earth-works will pick up soon enough.

    thanks again!


  • #146
    fresca
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    kerry4sam wrote: »
    ... I am seriously willing this project along :cool:
    any idea of your approximate travel durations to/from limerick?
    might be worth tracking in order to determine how much you gain when this section opens...


  • #147
    dmeehan
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    fresca wrote: »
    any idea of your approximate travel durations to/from limerick?
    might be worth tracking in order to determine how much you gain when this section opens...
    Tralee to Abbeyfeale, via Castleisland is approx 30/35mins with medium traffic in Castleisland. I have spent longer than that just actually getting through Castleisland though many times before


  • #148
    kerry4sam
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    fresca wrote: »
    any idea of your approximate travel durations to/from limerick?
    might be worth tracking in order to determine how much you gain when this section opens...

    At the moment fresca, from Killarney, depends what time I leave & would then depend on the schools finishing ... I am travelling to my destination, anything from 1hr 1/2 to 1hr50 just to the turnoff to Dooradoyle. I always arrive about 45mins early as it is very hard to predict the journey time, then factoring in the unexpected like RTA's and people out for the leisurely drive ... could do with cutting off 20-30mins of drive-time.


  • #149
    fresca
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    same as that ... anywhere between 90 and 110 mins for tralee to limerick.

    we'll keep an eye on the time and see how much the castleisland bypass takes off...


  • #150
    fresca
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    from http://www.kerrycoco.ie/en/allservices/roads/roadclosures/title,3448,en.html

    Notice is hereby given that, pursuant to Section 75 of the Roads Act, 1993, and the Temporary Closing of Roads Regulations, 1994, Kerry County Council has made a decision to close to public traffic the Local Road L-6541 (in the townlands of Doolaig South, Portduff, Mullaghmarky and Ballynaboul, Castleisland)
    from Doolaig South Cross (at the intersection with the Local Road L-10681 to Doolaig North Lower Cross)
    to Ballynaboul Cross (at the junction with the Local Road L-2017)
    for a period of two (2) consecutive days on Tuesday, 2nd March 2010 and Wednesday, 3rd March 2010.
    The purpose of the road closure is to avoid major interface between construction plant and road users (General Public) and facilitate the safe erection of wing walls to the precast bridge structure over the L-6541 as part of the N21 Castleisland Bypass Road Improvement Scheme.


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  • #151
    fresca
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    is there anyway that these 2 castleisland threads can be merged, please?
    ... this one in infrastructure...
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055776672
    ... this one in region -> south -> kerry
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64543239

    we're repeating the information across these threads.

    Thanks.


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