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Las Vegas Shooting

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  • 02-10-2017 10:00pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 81,826 ✭✭✭✭


    I was ready for business as usual in America when a guy with only a speeding ticket to his name reportedly killed over 50 and injured around 400 people at an outdoor concert in Las Vegas using a machine gun - its unclear exactly from multiple reports, that say it was a machine gun or possibly a hacked system, like a rotary trigger.

    Earlier this morning we got reports from bystanders https://www.mediaite.com/tv/las-vegas-shooting-witness-woman-warned-us-we-were-all-going-to-die-tonight-minutes-before-attack/ of a woman who was making a scene at the concert less than an hour before the shooting,
    Brianna Hendricks, who attended the Route 91 Harvest Festival with her mother to celebrate her 21st birthday, described the moment a woman screamed “they’re all around…you’re all going to ****ing die today,” as reported the Daily Mail.

    “There was a lady who pushed her way forward into the concert venue and into the first row, and she started messing with another lady, and told us that we were all going to die tonight,” Hendricks told KSNV.

    “It was about 45 minutes before the shots were actually fired,” she continued. “But then she was escorted out by security.”

    Hendricks and her mother left the concert before the shooting began, and heard the shots ring out just as they returned to their room.

    “Obviously she was telling us that — either to warn us, or to warn us that we were all going to die and she was part of it,” Hendricks added.

    Hendricks described the woman and a man she was with as Hispanic and about 5-foot-5.

    Police and "numerous sources" also indicated the shooter was traveling with an accomplice https://www.mediaite.com/online/focus-now-turns-to-las-vegas-shooter-companion-marliou-danley/ but a few hours later, that 'fake news?' was updated with an alibi.

    And now, to make it really CT'able, there's this footage which posits to show that despite the shooter being on the 32nd floor, reportedly, that muzzle flashes came from the 4th floor

    https://www.facebook.com/thepeoplesvoicetv/videos/988094561337985/

    And maybe its because its the worst shooting in US history, but LVPD released audio from their breach of his hotel room (reportedly) https://www.mediaite.com/tv/listen-las-vegas-pd-breach-shooter-stephen-paddocks-hotel-room/

    Timeline of events: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/02/las-vegas-shooting-timeline-events.html


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  • Registered Users Posts: 685 ✭✭✭luketitz


    Interesting those flashes on 4th floor, jaysus


  • Registered Users Posts: 107 ✭✭UpBack1234


    I was waiting for the boringly predictable conspiracy theories to come out about this. It can't just be some sad nutter murdering those poor people, there has to be some shady unspoken forces behind it all. When it comes to conspiracies I generally attribute their prevalence to people simply being unable to handle the prosaic brutality of something like this and just needing a bigger narrative to comfort themselves.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    Another false flag, this time they'll get all the guns they missed last time.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    And of course, the conspiracy theory yet again relies on the notion that the shadowy masterminds would try to accomplish their plot in the most complicated way for no other reason than they seem to want to give people clues. (Clues that are available through reporting the main stream media that is easily findable on the internet without getting off a keyboard.)

    If some conspirators wanted to pull this off they would have just hired a single shooter and let him do exactly what this shooter seems to have done.

    But I'm sure this is really it and that Trump is the one who's finally going to take away people's guns...


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭SafeSurfer


    King Mob wrote: »
    And of course, the conspiracy theory yet again relies on the notion that the shadowy masterminds would try to accomplish their plot in the most complicated way for no other reason than they seem to want to give people clues. (Clues that are available through reporting the main stream media that is easily findable on the internet without getting off a keyboard.)

    If some conspirators wanted to pull this off they would have just hired a single shooter and let him do exactly what this shooter seems to have done.

    But I'm sure this is really it and that Trump is the one who's finally going to take away people's guns...

    It doesn't really matter. The most blatant crime could be committed by government with video evidence and still it would be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are so routinely discredited that actual conspiracies would also be dismissed.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 81,826 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Another video showing the same as the first

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UMJ9FNdlPZ8


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    SafeSurfer wrote: »
    It doesn't really matter. The most blatant crime could be committed by government with video evidence and still it would be dismissed as a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theories are so routinely discredited that actual conspiracies would also be dismissed.
    Then that's rather the fault of the people selling, promoting and swallowing the nonsense conspiracy theories no?

    Maybe they should have some standards of evidence or investigation rather than jumping on nonsensical stuff like the idea that they are using crisis actors and multiple shooters and dropping clues.

    But just the same, people are going to invent conspiracies for every event...

    So do you believe that if this event was part of a conspiracy? If so, why? And why would the shadowy cabal want to drop so many hints?


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,793 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Interesting and telling snapshot of comments from toxic pro-Trump group "The_Donald" before and after hearing the shooter was a white male

    https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/7402bj/the_donald_after_learning_the_las_vegas_shooter/

    Conspiracy forums already scrambling to group-formulate a conspiracy out of this


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    I hope people here are mature enough to look at this with an open mind.

    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing. If someone opens fire at a large crowd there will be pandemonium and with 50 dead and at least 500 injured it would seem their would be some blood or wounded at the least. I mean that amount of ammo would have the place looking like a slaughterhouse. Sheer terror. Nope the official photos released show people clean as whistles and cool as cucumbers.

    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either. Accountant who lives in a retirement home has a hooker pay for his room, has millions in available cash, has more weapons (allegedly) than a small army, has no motive whatsoever goes berserk and wants to kill hundreds?. Why?
    Mind control?. What?.

    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    Why had none of the injured being carried away have even a drop of blood on them?. Thousands in attendance not one photo of the wounded.

    The obvious photoshopped image of the hotel windows shot released to the press.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Most will buy the nonsense official narrative hook line and sinker sadly but any massacre ever had bodies and had blood.

    This thing seems like a psy ops.

    Thoughts?.


  • Registered Users Posts: 176 ✭✭Silane


    I think Niburu hit the concert and thats what caused the casualties, but the government are trying to cover it up.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,907 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    I know I shouldn't even reply but here goes.

    The whole area is a giant crime scene. It is in lockdown so the press won't get to take photos of blood for the morbidly inclined.

    More than 22k people were in the audience. All of these witnessed the gunshots. Many thousands witnessed 550 victims getting shot or trampled on.

    They have already started naming some of the deceased. Photos of some are online. There will be 60 or more funerals.

    This would have to be a very big conspiracy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,245 ✭✭✭myshirt


    I put this in the same category as those guys who presented photos of an aeroplane in flight at 10,000 feet and asked that if God didn't exist, then explain who took these photos?


  • Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭Den14


    An interesting post [stonedpilot] but I agree with some it's maybe bit far fetched perhaps. You've thrown a mighty amount of theories into the ring!!
    What I'm wondering about is that mysterious woman who supposedly warned people during the gig that their lives we're in danger. Anybody hear anymore about her?


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,308 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It was like the whack jobs who said the Manchester arena bombing were false flags with actors etc.

    People who couldn't find Manchester on a map.

    I know a person who was at the gig on the night and they'll carry what they saw for years to come.

    People need to realize there is more than some ****ty youtube video to life, it is actually more varied than Youtube, mindblowing I know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,201 ✭✭✭Doltanian


    There is no denying it happened, however I think that guy is a patsy; he doesn't seem to fit the bill. If we see any sort of gun-regulation or control then it looks like a setup to me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    I do not know about false flag, but looking at some stuff online, it looks like there is some evidence that there was perhaps a second shooter?

    Has anyone seen this footage?


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    I do not know about false flag, but looking at some stuff online, it looks like there is some evidence that there was perhaps a second shooter?

    Has anyone seen this footage?

    Yes. There was what seemed like gunshot flashes coming from a lower floor. A good distance away from where Paddock was shooting from.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Yes. There was what seemed like gunshot flashes coming from a lower floor. A good distance away from where Paddock was shooting from.

    This is what I have seen, I was wondering it possible it could be a reflection but, the flashes in the lower floor seem to be independant from the loation he was found.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    This is what I have seen, I was wondering it possible it could be a reflection but, the flashes in the lower floor seem to be independant from the loation he was found.

    Its the one thing I cant get me head around. The flashes on the lower floor where in sync with the noise of gunshots also. Mad.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    Gringo180 wrote: »
    Its the one thing I cant get me head around. The flashes on the lower floor where in sync with the noise of gunshots also. Mad.

    I have seen two different videos from different locations.

    This one is someone leaving the hotel



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  • Registered Users Posts: 17,793 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe



    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing.

    Right here (NSFW)
    https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/73xf9r/aftermath_of_las_vegas_shooting/

    Most domestic media outlets generally try not to splatter these over the front of their newspapers out of respect for the dead and their family members
    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Multiple photos/videos available online during and after the attacks of people panicking/running/screaming/hiding with the shots clearly audible

    e.g. (NSFW)
    https://twitter.com/MseSourabh/status/915059182499328001
    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either.

    They can't figure out his motive yet. It took them awhile to figure out the Aurora shooter's motive also (extreme mental issues mainly)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,158 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    These conspiracy websites and forums tend to be frequented by ultra right wing types. Most seem to want to believe that it was either ISIS, zeor evidence for that obviously, and it's been dismissed by the FBI. Or else that it was some crazy left wingers, no evidence of that either.

    The most credible theory outside of the official narrative that I've heard so far is that this guy was trying to make a point about gun laws in the states. He aquired all these guns legally, along with the bump fire stocks and high capacity magazines, all legal. He brought what seems to be a gratoiutous amount of weaponry up to his hotel suite, 23 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo, more than he could ever use for this shooting, to highlight the absurd nature of gun laws in America and in the hope that by doing this the government might finally act. Also, that he was suicidal because he'd ruined his life with gambling deaths so he didn't mind dieing. I think it's probably nonsense as well but there you go.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,325 ✭✭✭iLikeWaffles


    I think what's really interesting here (poor choice of words probably) is in the second video of the footage in the crowd, two posts above, does not show any mussel flashes in either windows! It does show the camera panning and squares of light in windows all over the face of the building (Lets assume they are table lamps) and those squares of light seem to disappear. Whether that is from the camera focusing while being panned or the type of glass that is used to blind the outside view into room in the hotel or the curtains in the windows of the rooms** or not, who know's. Is it not possible that the flashing you see in the car footage is caused by the movement of the car?

    The car is moving what 20 - 30 mph there seems to be squares of light in a few windows around the same spot on different floors in both video's. **Could that be from the curtain/blinds that are in the hotel room, the lamp you see is in the room close to the curtain maybe and the curtain lace are just scrunched up/open in that particular room giving the appearance of flashing while the car is moving down the street at speed (around the building also).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    I hope people here are mature enough to look at this with an open mind.

    From the official photos it doesn't show ANY dead bodies, wounded, paramedics, blood, ambulances,nothing. If someone opens fire at a large crowd there will be pandemonium and with 50 dead and at least 500 injured it would seem their would be some blood or wounded at the least. I mean that amount of ammo would have the place looking like a slaughterhouse. Sheer terror. Nope the official photos released show people clean as whistles and cool as cucumbers.

    Some photos are so ood they have people leisurely standing around on their phones and with their drinks. This is during the shooting!.

    Steven Paddocks story doesn't add up either. Accountant who lives in a retirement home has a hooker pay for his room, has millions in available cash, has more weapons (allegedly) than a small army, has no motive whatsoever goes berserk and wants to kill hundreds?. Why?
    Mind control?. What?.

    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    Why had none of the injured being carried away have even a drop of blood on them?. Thousands in attendance not one photo of the wounded.

    The obvious photoshopped image of the hotel windows shot released to the press.

    This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

    Most will buy the nonsense official narrative hook line and sinker sadly but any massacre ever had bodies and had blood.

    This thing seems like a psy ops.

    Thoughts?.
    Thoughts , the moon landing was faked, Elvis is Alive


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    MadYaker wrote: »
    These conspiracy websites and forums tend to be frequented by ultra right wing types. Most seem to want to believe that it was either ISIS, zeor evidence for that obviously, and it's been dismissed by the FBI. Or else that it was some crazy left wingers, no evidence of that either.

    The most credible theory outside of the official narrative that I've heard so far is that this guy was trying to make a point about gun laws in the states. He aquired all these guns legally, along with the bump fire stocks and high capacity magazines, all legal. He brought what seems to be a gratoiutous amount of weaponry up to his hotel suite, 23 guns and 6000 rounds of ammo, more than he could ever use for this shooting, to highlight the absurd nature of gun laws in America and in the hope that by doing this the government might finally act. Also, that he was suicidal because he'd ruined his life with gambling deaths so he didn't mind dieing. I think it's probably nonsense as well but there you go.

    People with essentially a political motivation like that , would tend to prepare some form of statement outlining their perspective.


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,702 ✭✭✭✭BoatMad


    Ipso wrote: »
    Another false flag, this time they'll get all the guns they missed last time.

    Sadly , you have more liberal gun laws coupled with effective weaponery then anytime in the recent past

    They didn't " come for your guns ' , they actually gave you more !


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,229 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Could someone who's actually entertaining this nonsense explain the benefit of multiple secret shooters?

    Why do they need more that one person when they are only going to blame one person?

    If they needed more than one person, why would they not blame it on more than one person?

    What benefit was sending out someone to issue rambling warnings that no one listened to?

    Again it seems that the only reason they have for doing this for this incident and others is that they, much like the Riddler, are compelled to leave easily found clues that anyone with a keyboard can use to deduce their evil scheme.

    I don't think posting grainy camera phone footage and hour long youtube rants are going to be particularly convincing unless these questions are answered...


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,529 ✭✭✭baldbear


    This thread just shows how stupid people are. Always looking for a conspiracy.

    Could it be a case where a Man pissed off with life decides to take as many out with him when he tops himself?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    baldbear wrote: »
    This thread just shows how stupid people are. Always looking for a conspiracy.

    Could it be a case where a Man pissed off with life decides to take as many out with him when he tops himself?

    Not looking for conspiracy, let's take it one step at a time.
    The footage of what looks to be gun fire coming from the fourth floor looks very suspicious, it looks like gun fire?

    Unless anyone has a valid or reasonable explanation to what this is?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,565 ✭✭✭K.Flyer



    Why have numerous eye witnesses reported more than one gun firing?.

    There were definitely sounds of two different automatic weapons being used.
    My guess is that he had two set up on tri-pods and was using them both at the same time. Easily done.


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