New York Giants Thread

HigginsJ · 01-08-2014 11:37pm

wawaman wrote: »

Knex. wrote: »

Wilson seems like he'll be fine. He'll get the all clear on Monday.

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the prognosis for Wilson is not so good im afraid

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2014/07/david_wilson_injury_update_giants_appear_less_optimistic_in_potential_return.html

We'll always have the Game against the Saints

HigginsJ · 02-08-2014 6:51pm

Rumour is that Wilson will be placed on IR again for the year & may not play again. Holding out in vague hope he might be back but looking doubtful

HigginsJ · 03-08-2014 3:15pm

Injury Update

The following Giants did not make the trip to Canton, thus won't suit up Sunday night:

Robert Ayers, Jon Beason, Will Beatty, Odell Beckham, Xavier Grimble, Eric Herman, Trindon Holliday, Bennett Jackson, Trumaine McBride, Mike Patterson, Spencer Paysinger, David Wilson.

Knex* · 04-08-2014 4:16pm

Was at a festival all weekend so only catching up with things now. Really bad news on the Wilson front, so. Such a shame as I was excited to see him this year, and had read some initial reports thinking that he might be OK.

Going to watch the game now, but heard Williams did well, which is good news.

Kylo Ren · 04-08-2014 4:21pm

I only just watched highlights there. The only player who I could kind of judge from it was Andre Williams, and he looked good.

From what I am reading Nassib did surprisingly well and JPP was kind of a let down. Anyone who watched the game care to refute any of this?

Also, how did the OL look?

HigginsJ · 04-08-2014 5:17pm

Keno wrote: »

I only just watched highlights there. The only player who I could kind of judge from it was Andre Williams, and he looked good.

From what I am reading Nassib did surprisingly well and JPP was kind of a let down. Anyone who watched the game care to refute any of this?

Also, how did the OL look?

JPP was pretty much shut out by Seanterel Henderson. He could be a steal as an UDFA for the Bills, as all the talent in the world if he can put it together.

Andre Williams speed surprised me tbh, looked a lot quicker than advertised. Hankins had a good game.

The o-line was fairly poor across all the line-ups.

Nassib was not great, hit & miss, had an int called back for roughing the passer, his TD pass was all the work of the wideout as he under threw him. Had some nice connections to Harris

wawaman · 04-08-2014 9:10pm

@NFLonFOX: “Don't feel sorry for me, or pity me. I lived my dream. Now I have a chance to dream another dream."

- David Wilson http://t.co/RMwaHIpnnK

Placed on IR for the year and advised not to play again

HigginsJ · 04-08-2014 9:35pm

wawaman wrote: »

@NFLonFOX: “Don't feel sorry for me, or pity me. I lived my dream. Now I have a chance to dream another dream."

- David Wilson http://t.co/RMwaHIpnnK

Placed on IR for the year and advised not to play again

I do feel sorry for him. Such a promising career cut short

Knex* · 04-08-2014 9:48pm

Gutted for the man. I really, really took to him when we drafted him. Had real high hopes.

He must be devastated.

Kylo Ren · 05-08-2014 1:25am

What a shame. He really had something and I was so excited to see what he could do.

KrustyUCC · 05-08-2014 8:08pm

http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?47795-Giants-vs-Bills-Full-Game-Cut-Up

Class cut up from Redeyejedi

HigginsJ · 05-08-2014 10:12pm

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/8/4/5968961/ny-giants-news-rumors-preseason-corey-washington-hall-of-fame-game

TC very impressed by Corey Washington. We could badly do with a 6ft4 wideout. Has a shot to make the roster to be fair. Cruz, Randle, Jernigan & Beckham Jr. are locks but lots of uncertainty outside of that.

Knex* · 05-08-2014 10:34pm

Thought Bowman and Prince were good as well, Bowman's penalty aside.

See M Bennett has been suspended by the Bears after dumping Kyle Fuller to the ground in practice. Apparently he'd been playing half assed as well. Surprised by that, I must say.

Definitely interested in how Washington does. He was last in depth chart a few weeks ago.

boccy23 · 05-08-2014 11:36pm

Was nicely surprised with the O-line. Thought we ran the ball well with Jennings and Williams. Thought Hillis looked terrible.
Also thought that Nassib at least looked some way competent. Good roll out. Something Eli struggles at.
Didn't agree with some that Richburg was torched. May have struggled going back, but I thought he blocked well for the run game.

HigginsJ · 06-08-2014 11:19pm

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11317245/rb-peyton-hillis-new-york-giants-injured-training-camp-practice

Hope this is nothing too serious. Hillis has been a smashing addition & if he is out for any length of time then we are perilously thin at RB as Cox & Gaskins don't look up to much

HigginsJ · 06-08-2014 11:23pm

Weston Richburg replaced Geoff Schwartz at LG as Schwartz had a sore knee. Nice to see him getting as much time with the 1st string as possible.

Doesn't sound like Beckham will play this week but hopefully he can get back for the 4th & 5th preseason games

Knex* · 06-08-2014 11:24pm

Ah jeez, not good news, that.

Cox seems to have the elusiveness of a brick, especially if his Kick Returns last year were anything to go by. Know virtually nothing about Gaskins.

glued · 07-08-2014 11:23am

I see JPP has been talking to the media about shutting up his doubters. He's in a contract year so I'd expect big things from him but I'm not sure about his attitude, application and longevity. I think unless he really is unstoppable then I don't think we should be tying ourselves down to Pierre-Paul. Right now he's a good run stopping DE but he's really lost that burst and forward movement to really be an impact player.

He seems too have run out of excuses and was beaten by Buffalo's second stringers. I don't know if its just me but he seems to be a bit of a disruption in the locker room. He better start adding up them sacks...

Knex* · 07-08-2014 11:38am

glued wrote: »

I see JPP has been talking to the media about shutting up his doubters. He's in a contract year so I'd expect big things from him but I'm not sure about his attitude, application and longevity. I think unless he really is unstoppable then I don't think we should be tying ourselves down to Pierre-Paul. Right now he's a good run stopping DE but he's really lost that burst and forward movement to really be an impact player.

He seems too have run out of excuses and was beaten by Buffalo's second stringers. I don't know if its just me but he seems to be a bit of a disruption in the locker room. He better start adding up them sacks...

He annoys me, tbh. Especially around the Cowboys game last year, with all his, "I'm gonna end them. Shut them up, etc, etc". Then he went out there and got his ass handed to him on a plate.

See how he does in preseason, but I'm not massively optimistic so far. Our secondary, and improved LB core should help that front line out a lot though, and as you say, our run defence is pretty decent, so it should provide plenty of opportunities for people to step up.

Would not surprise me though if Kiwi or Moore got more sacks than JPP this season, actually.

HigginsJ · 07-08-2014 2:38pm

JPP was solid last year but no more than that. You don't pay top dollar to a run stuffing DE. Apparently he has lost some weight in the offseason but he was shut out by a 7th round rookie the other night so I will remain doubtful he will get back to his All-Pro DE form. We my be in a position at the end of the season that we have no choice but to pay him if Moore doesn't pan out

HigginsJ · 08-08-2014 9:56pm

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/8/8/5983623/giants-eric-herman-suspension-peds-four-games

Eric Herman suspended for the 1st 4 games of the year.
Unsurprisingly Odell Beckham won't play this weekend but is apparently close to returning

The rest of the injury report:

-- Running back Peyton Hillis won't play due to the ankle injury he suffered in practice this week.

-- Left tackle Will Beatty won't play, but coach Tom Coughlin said that the plan all along has been for Beatty to make his debut in the Giants' third preseason game, which is next week vs. the Indianapolis Colts.

-- Undrafted free agent defensive tackle Kelcy Quarles won't play due to an ankle sprain.

-- Cornerback Trumaine McBride has been practicing regularly, but will apparently be held out of game action for one more week as he recovers from offseason surgery.

-- Coughlin said linebacker Jon Beason (broken foot) has begun to run. No word yet on whether Beason will be able to play in the season opener vs. the Detroit Lions.

-- Trindon Holliday remains sidelined with a hamstring injury. Holliday has been out for more than two weeks now, and might be watching his chance to make the team evaporate as young wide receivers Marcus Harris, Corey Washington and Preston Parker impress.

-- Tight end Xavier Grimble (hamstring) returned to practice Thursday on a limited basis. It seems unlikely he will play Saturday.

HigginsJ · 10-08-2014 5:36pm

Jennings & Williams again looked very good at RB last night. Eli has gotten nothing going so far in pre-season. Nassib seems to be on his way to wrapping up the back-up QB role which is good news

glued · 10-08-2014 5:53pm

From what little we've seen from Eli he looks very uncomfortable. Hankins, Moore and JPP impressed me yesterday. Hosley has no chance of making the team. Washington should be in there too.

The offense still looks poor but it's far too early to draw any conclusions yet

HigginsJ · 10-08-2014 6:13pm

My boy Mosley made a great play to spring Jennings. High hopes for him now that he is in the team.

Knex* · 10-08-2014 10:06pm

Need Beatty badly, tbh. Brown is horrible to watch at LT. Very happy with our interior though, which can only bode well for the run game, and Pugh can only continue to get better. If Beatty comes back at decent level, I'll be fairly happy.

I love our D.

boccy23 · 11-08-2014 9:41am

Offense versus Steelers D from Sturday night.

http://boards.giants.com/showthread.php?48023-NY-Giants-vs-Pittsburgh-Steelers-Game-Tape

HigginsJ · 11-08-2014 9:40pm

Corey Washington had a very good days practise today by all accounts. Beat Prince on a one on one and then drew double coverage from DRC & Rolls on the next play

With the way he has started pre-season he has a serious shot to make the practise squad at worst but being 6ft4 is a serious bonus for him over the likes of Talley, Harris & Holliday. If we assume that Cruz, Randle, Beckham Jr. & Jernigan are locked in he could be battling Manningham for a spot

HigginsJ · 17-08-2014 6:38am

Corey Washington 3 for 3 in the preseason. Getting slightly worried by Eli at this point. He does not look sure of himself in this new offense. Cruz & Randle with out a catch for the 3rd game

Knex* · 17-08-2014 12:07pm

It'll be tonight before I can catch up on the game, but another win and another TD for Washington. As worried as I would be about Eli, that's no the worst.

Our D will carry us for a few games, and I'm hoping offense will be up to scratch after a few weeks. That's being optimistic though.

Just seen the stats though, 1/7, for 6 yards. Jesus.

HigginsJ · 20-08-2014 7:07pm

Cooper Taylor is likely to require foot surgery & will be placed on IR. We are so short at safety with Rolle, Brown, Demps & Berhe. Serious weakness now that Hill & Taylor are gone.

OBJ sat out practise today but apparently this was planned. He won't be playing in this weeks pre-season game so don't see that he will make much impact in the 1st 6-8 weeks of the season.

Coughlin sounds positive that Beason is making very good progress. Our LB corp is starting to look strong with Beason, McClain, Kennard, Williams & Paysinger all looking like strong contributors.

Will Beatty sat out practise yesterday with Justin Pugh at LT, JD Walton at C, Weston Richburg at RG & Geoff Schwartz and Brandon Mosley splitting time at LG & RT. I would be more than confident with Pugh at LT if Beatty is not ready to go. Apparently Giants disappointed in Charles Brown & John Jerry. Were expecting them to provide depth and possibly compete to start at RG but no where near what was expected

Also starting to look very likely that Mario Manningham won't make the final 53. Way behind Marcus Harris & Corey Washington and even Preston Parker outplaying him

Knex* · 21-08-2014 12:17am

Had been hoping Taylor's wasn't as bad as that. That's rough. He was decent backup.

Not much being said about Talley, but I keep hearing his name, both in matches and in practice. Interesting to watch.

HigginsJ · 21-08-2014 10:45pm

Knex. wrote: »

Had been hoping Taylor's wasn't as bad as that. That's rough. He was decent backup.

Not much being said about Talley, but I keep hearing his name, both in matches and in practice. Interesting to watch.

Not heard much from or seen Talley do much either tbh. It seems that Cruz, OBJ & Randle are locked down. I had assumed that Jernigan was also an automatic but apparently that is still open to debate. There is also a question as to whether we will carry 5 or 6 wideouts due to OBJ's injury situation.

Courtesy of Big Blue View
"If they're evaluated as being solid people that can make the club, then perhaps you have to make an adjustment somewhere else," head coach Tom Coughlin said Tuesday. "Are we against keeping six? No. That's been done before."

The easy route would be to go for 6 with Jernigan, Harris & Washington in with the hope to get Preston Parker to the practise squad but there seems to be a feeling that Parker offers more as a kick/punt returner than Jernigan and he could edge him out. I'd be surprised if we went that route as we would be very short of experience at WR with only Cruz & Randle having played before.

Kylo Ren · 23-08-2014 4:41pm

Can we start our backups in week 1?

Thanks.

Knex* · 26-08-2014 2:33pm

Is it bad that with Schwartz injury, and Incognito being cleared to play in the NFL, I kinda want us to make a move to sign him?

Our OL is really that uninspiring

HigginsJ · 26-08-2014 2:34pm

Apparently the players released to date are Xavier Grimble, Brandon McManus, Charles James II & Jerome Cunningham.

Grimble & Cunningham are no surprise as they have not featured at all in pre-season.

McManus looks like he could develop into a good kicker. May well catch on somewhere or I can see us bringing him back in next year.

James II is somewhat of a surprise cut as he was pretty solid last year and is a young corner

HigginsJ · 26-08-2014 2:39pm

Knex. wrote: »

Is it bad that with Schwartz injury, and Incognito being cleared to play in the NFL, I kinda want us to make a move to sign him?

Our OL is really that uninspiring

It sounds at best that it will be shot term IR and return mid-season bit even that is looking doubtful.

Our line is looking like it will be Beatty, Richburg, Walton, Mosley & Pugh to start the season, although it sounds like Coughlin is giving Jerry a shot at the RG spot.

I wouldn't touch Incognito with a barge pole tbh honest & I don't think Coughlin would either

Knex* · 26-08-2014 2:40pm

I am pretty surprised with James being cut, despite him not being great this pre season. He seemed a big character for that group, and was well liked and respected. He had that huddle dance thing going on as well!

Thought with his character, and him being solid last year, that he would be kept around.

Knex* · 26-08-2014 2:42pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

It sounds at best that it will be shot term IR and return mid-season bit even that is looking doubtful.

Our line is looking like it will be Beatty, Richburg, Walton, Mosley & Pugh to start the season, although it sounds like Coughlin is giving Jerry a shot at the RG spot.

I wouldn't touch Incognito with a barge pole tbh honest & I don't think Coughlin would either

And you're right too. If you asked me a month ago, I'd have said the same.

I have very little confidence in the line right now, and I really don't see Jerry being any good. Reports even of him in practice are worrying. Getting beat all ends up by Jenkins on a few plays, for example.

Anyway, it will get better over time, as they learn the blocking schemes and verbage, etc. I hope.

Knex* · 26-08-2014 8:54pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

Apparently the players released to date are Xavier Grimble, Brandon McManus, Charles James II & Jerome Cunningham.

Grimble & Cunningham are no surprise as they have not featured at all in pre-season.

McManus looks like he could develop into a good kicker. May well catch on somewhere or I can see us bringing him back in next year.

James II is somewhat of a surprise cut as he was pretty solid last year and is a young corner

McManus traded to Denver for 7th round conditional 2015 pick, right before he got waived.

Not bad at all, for both player and Giants/Broncos.

Also, Harris and Taylor were placed on IR, as expected, I suppose.

HigginsJ · 26-08-2014 9:48pm

Knex. wrote: »

McManus traded to Denver for 7th round conditional 2015 pick, right before he got waived.

Not bad at all, for both player and Giants/Broncos.

Also, Harris and Taylor were placed on IR, as expected, I suppose.

Delighted for McManus, hope he takes his chance now in the 1st 4 games

HigginsJ · 26-08-2014 9:59pm

Anyone else a bit surprised Manningham wasn't cut? Was half expecting it, maybe the Harris injury saved him but he appears finished.

Knex* · 26-08-2014 10:06pm

I'd say his history with the Giants is the only reason he is still around, that and the fact that aside from Cruz, there's not a lot of catches in that receiving corp.

Its looking ominous for him though, certainly.

HigginsJ · 27-08-2014 6:53pm

https://mobile.twitter.com/Weatherford5/status/503895592654077952/photo/1

Oh our punter!!

HigginsJ · 27-08-2014 7:03pm

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/8/27/6073729/antrel-rolle-unhappy-with-release-of-charles-james-ny-giants-news

Rolle pretty outspoken on the release of Charles James

Knex* · 27-08-2014 8:39pm

HigginsJ wrote: »

http://www.bigblueview.com/2014/8/27/6073729/antrel-rolle-unhappy-with-release-of-charles-james-ny-giants-news

Rolle pretty outspoken on the release of Charles James

Had seen some of his quotes yesterday, alright. I knew he really liked the guy, as he had mentioned him in previous interviews, but surprised in quite the manner he spoke out against the Giants decision, tbh.

Ultimately, though, James isn't good enough. Just unfortunate that that Giants are losing such a positive character. Had thought his special team play would keep him around, but seems it wasn't to be.

KrustyUCC · 27-08-2014 9:21pm

not impressed with Rolle

a team captain should not call out organisation like that

Yeah James had INTs in practice

he was terrible on game day when it counted and that's why he was released

Raddaboutye · 28-08-2014 6:59am

Folks, going to the Washington game on December 14th. Best place to get tickets? Stubhub? Anywhere else? Long time fan and first time going to catch a game. Excitement levels are high already.

Knex* · 28-08-2014 2:20pm

Raddaboutye wrote: »

Folks, going to the Washington game on December 14th. Best place to get tickets? Stubhub? Anywhere else? Long time fan and first time going to catch a game. Excitement levels are high already.

I used stubhub the one and only time I was in MetLife. I would say ask in the main thread, "Wacky World...", as some of the lads, such as Heli, would have more experience.

Enjoy!

Raddaboutye · 29-08-2014 12:29am

Knex. wrote: »

I used stubhub the one and only time I was in MetLife. I would say ask in the main thread, "Wacky World...", as some of the lads, such as Heli, would have more experience.

Enjoy!

Cheers Knex. Fired a post of there.

Knex* · 29-08-2014 12:48am

Back to 'Who's fault was it?', between Eli and Randle for that first drive.

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