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Census 2016 - Time to tick NO

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  • 25-10-2015 8:00pm
    #1
    Zamboni
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    So 2016, Irish people have another opportunity to identify their religion.

    277,237 ticked no religion in the 2011 census
    I believe we can make that 500,000 :)
    I'm very optimistic.

    Please like this page and share if you're on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/timetotickno

    #timetotickno


    :)


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    GrayFox208
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    Zamboni wrote: »
    So 2016, Irish people have another opportunity to identify their religion.

    277,237 ticked no religion in the 2011 census
    I believe we can make that 500,000 :)
    I'm very optimistic.

    I'm doing my little bit here.
    Please like this page and share if you're on Facebook.

    #timetotickno


    :)

    Why do you care if people tick no or not?


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    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,754 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Zamboni wrote: »
    So 2016, Irish people have another opportunity to identify their religion.

    277,237 ticked no religion in the 2011 census
    I believe we can make that 500,000 :)
    I'm very optimistic.

    I'm doing my little bit here.
    Please like this page and share if you're on Facebook.

    https://www.facebook.com/timetotickno

    #timetotickno


    :)
    why would somebody with no religion tick anything other then no?


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    GrayFox208
    Closed Accounts Posts: 335 ✭✭GrayFox208


    You made a Facebook page... To tell people that they can tick a box if they don't follow a religion? Are you afraid that they won't be able to see that themselves or?


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    GrayFox208
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    expectationlost wrote: »
    why would somebody with no religion tick anything other then no?

    "I have no region... But I'm going to tick Muslim just because I'm feeling exotic."


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    #6
    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    Haha
    It's targeted at all the cultural Catholics who don't really practice anymore.
    Not already existing atheists.


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    GrayFox208
    Closed Accounts Posts: 335 ✭✭GrayFox208


    Zamboni wrote: »
    Haha
    It's targeted at all the cultural Catholics who don't really practice anymore.
    Not already existing atheists.

    Again, why do they need you to make a Facebook page about it? If someone has decided they are not religious anymore they'll tick no... If not they'll tick yes.


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    Zamboni
    Registered Users Posts: 4,305 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    I care about the separation of church and state.
    The state use CSO statistics to justify all sorts of church interference into Irish life.
    School patronage, funding chaplaincies in Third Level, controlling many hospitals and so on.


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    Pherekydes
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    GrayFox208 wrote: »
    "I have no region... But I'm going to tick Muslim just because I'm feeling exotic."

    How many ticked RC in the last census but are non-practising? They don't believe in god and don't go to mass, but self-selected RC and in many cases selected RC for their children.

    The census should paint an accurate picture of the state.

    Indeed, it's an offence to lie on the census.


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    ejabrod
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    Zamboni wrote: »
    I care about the separation of church and state.
    The state use CSO statistics to justify all sorts of church interference into Irish life.
    School patronage, funding chaplaincies in Third Level, controlling many hospitals and so on.
    Pherekydes wrote: »
    How many ticked RC in the last census but are non-practising? They don't believe in god and don't go to mass, but self-selected RC and in many cases selected RC for their children.

    The census should paint an accurate picture of the state.

    Indeed, it's an offence to lie on the census.

    Oh, FFS........


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    RossieMan
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    Would you not go behind a cause that is important rather than this crap? Who gives a ****?


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    lazygal
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    My brother had an almighty row with our father during the last census. My dad insisted the brother go down as Catholic even though he has identified as atheist since his teens. My father's reasoning was that those baptised into a faith had to put down that faith on the census. Its a view someone else I know had reinforced by a census enumerator, who when asked said if you're a baptised Catholic you have to tick Catholic on the census.
    I think it's a valuable campaign. We'll be identified as no religion for the first time since getting married and have two children to tick the box for now.


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    lazygal
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    RossieMan wrote: »
    Would you not go behind a cause that is important rather than this crap? Who gives a ****?

    Which causes would you suggest?


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    eviltwin
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    lazygal wrote: »
    My brother had an almighty row with our father during the last census. My dad insisted the brother go down as Catholic even though he has identified as atheist since his teens. My father's reasoning was that those baptised into a faith had to put down that faith on the census. Its a view someone else I know had reinforced by a census enumerator, who when asked said if you're a baptised Catholic you have to tick Catholic on the census.
    I think it's a valuable campaign. We'll be identified as no religion for the first time since getting married and have two children to tick the box for now.

    I agree. My husband insisted on ticking Catholic despite not having been near a church in thirty years. His logic was he was baptised so he had to tick it. I think some people genuinely don't think about it too much or don't really understand the question. If it makes people think it's a worthwhile campaign.


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    pinkypinky
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    A census enumerator was telling people that? :eek:

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    Pherekydes
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    ejabrod wrote: »
    Oh, FFS........

    Eloquent.

    Anything else to say on the matter?


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    Pherekydes
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    RossieMan wrote: »
    Would you not go behind a cause that is important rather than this crap? Who gives a ****?

    Do you understand what the CSO is trying to do?


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    lazygal
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    A census enumerator was telling people that? :eek:
    Yes. Said if you're baptised into whatever Christian faith or raised in whatever faith then you should tick the relevant religious box rather than no religion. Couldn't understand the no religion/write your own faith in options at all and implied they weren't for Irish people.


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    eviltwin
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    lazygal wrote: »
    Yes. Said if you're baptised into whatever Christian faith or raised in whatever faith then you should tick the relevant religious box rather than no religion. Couldn't understand the no religion/write your own faith in options at all and implied they weren't for Irish people.

    In fairness it is vague. It doesn't have an atheist option so I can see why some people might think it refers to the faith you were given rather than what you've chosen for yourself. I really hope atheist is included next year to give a more accurate picture.


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    lazygal
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    In fairness it is vague. It doesn't have an atheist option so I can see why some people might think it refers to the faith you were given rather than what you've chosen for yourself. I really hope atheist is included next year to give a more accurate picture.

    I would not tick the atheist box either. It's not a religion. Last time we put down no religion. My children will be put down as no religion this time.


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    pinkypinky
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 6,616 Mod ✭✭✭✭pinkypinky


    Well, the last time, the CSO used a spurious argument about needing to keep the question in the same format so they could compare/contrast with other censuses. But (as a genealogist), they have changed the question formats in the past, and indeed added a lot of questions.

    Genealogy Forum Mod



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    expectationlost
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    eviltwin wrote: »
    In fairness it is vague. It doesn't have an atheist option so I can see why some people might think it refers to the faith you were given rather than what you've chosen for yourself. I really hope atheist is included next year to give a more accurate picture.
    it won't be, no religion is fine


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    Hotblack Desiato
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    GrayFox208 wrote: »
    Again, why do they need you to make a Facebook page about it? If someone has decided they are not religious anymore they'll tick no... If not they'll tick yes.

    Why do you feel the need to make multiple posts about it if you don't think it's important?

    RossieMan wrote: »
    Would you not go behind a cause that is important rather than this crap? Who gives a ****?

    As above.

    If fairness and equality in accessing state services don't matter to you, then carry on as you are.

    Life ain't always empty.



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    Dades
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    lazygal wrote: »
    Its a view someone else I know had reinforced by a census enumerator, who when asked said if you're a baptised Catholic you have to tick Catholic on the census.
    A census enumerator once suggested that to me.

    I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.


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    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Dades wrote: »
    A census enumerator once suggested that to me.

    I ate his liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.

    More important, which box did you tick?


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    Second Toughest in_the Freshers
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    I'll probably tick Catholic, wouldn't want anyone thinking I was one of them Protestants, like.


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    #27
    lazygal
    Registered Users Posts: 12,644 ✭✭✭✭lazygal


    Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »
    I'll probably tick Catholic, wouldn't want anyone thinking I was one of them Protestants, like.

    Wow. Much cool.


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    Pherekydes
    Registered Users Posts: 16,114 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »
    I'll probably tick Catholic, wouldn't want anyone thinking I was one of them Protestants, like.

    No one will know.


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    #29
    Kiwi in IE
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    If you have a religion that you don't practice, and don't believe the core beliefs of, then you probably don't have a religion.

    I mean come on, how many people in Ireland who say that they are Catholic actually believe that Jesus was the son of God, Mary was a virgin, little wafers turn into flesh when a preist does a magic spell on them, etc, etc? It's just not believable. I don't understand how it survives in this day and age.


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    La Fenetre
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    Zamboni wrote: »
    The state use CSO statistics to justify all sorts of church interference into Irish life.

    They do ? How ? The state and all the main political parties are anti-church.


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    Absolam
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    Zamboni wrote: »
    Haha
    It's targeted at all the cultural Catholics who don't really practice anymore.
    Not already existing atheists.
    Surely those who feel they are cultural Catholics should be ticking Catholic though? Or ought they to get a separate 'cultural Catholic' tickbox? Maybe set up a Facebook page for that one too.... I suppose they could fill it in under 'other religion' this time around.
    Zamboni wrote: »
    I care about the separation of church and state.
    The state use CSO statistics to justify all sorts of church interference into Irish life. School patronage, funding chaplaincies in Third Level, controlling many hospitals and so on.
    Is there any evidence of that? Certainly with regards to school patronage, any of the stuff we've seen posted on A&A suggests the State gives weight to parental expressions of interest and diversity of provision; there's no mention of CSO statistics in the tender processes.
    Hospitals under religious control tend to be hospitals that were actually set up by religious orders, don't they?
    As for chaplaincies, I'd certainly be interested in seeing any info that demonstrates that they are based on CSO statistics. Any chance of a link?


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