Ireland to assist in migrant crisis in the Med.

The EU founders must be turning in their graves.
The carry on from the dog-in-the-manger Brits who just say "no" or "I opt out" to everything EU related is to be expected but it more and more that all the other countries just put the supposed national interest first too and can't agree on anything. Depressing.
The current crop of politicians don't seem to get that this issue (and many others) requires some collective action. If the EU countries don't "hang together they'll hang separately". They may be watching their electorates when trying to do nothing concrete & palm off all the migrants on the southern countries, but the fact remains none of the countries alone can solve this issue. If it worsens, they will still get it in the neck from the same electorates no matter how far their particular country is from the trouble zones.

darkpagandeath wrote: »

If the UK leave Ireland would be better off leaving also.

no . the EU is better at supporting us then britain. britain most likely won't leave anyway, after all their MEPS won't be able to claim more expences if they do

Muckracker wrote: »

Why not? What would happen to us without the EU?

we would have no supports, we would have austerity unlike anything seen before. we would be back in the 1950s. we would be a third world country

end of the road wrote: »

were very tough on immigration.

You're going to have to explain how or else I'm just going to presume that you're on the wind up. Ireland is anything but 'very tough on immigration.'

Muckracker wrote: »

There's no way we'd become a third world country.

we would. we aren't able to support ourselves

end of the road wrote: »

we would. we aren't able to support ourselves

ah right.so would you support some of us doing a swap with some of the migrants.you could give up your stuff to some lad from afghanistan and then head over to his gaff and try your stuff there.....good deal ?

darkpagandeath wrote: »

EOTR must have missed the people rocking up in a plane recently and claiming asylum and not sent packing.

Here's a family that rocked on up here with a tourist visa and decided to live here permanently. Got issued with temp stamp 3 and when they tried to renew it, refused due to not having sufficent funds and asked to leave the state. They leave for 90 days and come back. Apply for another visa. Have it refused again. Stay here 'undocumented' for two years and they were asked to leave again. They went to the media, there was a bit of an ould outcry and they have been issued with a stamp 4 visa.

http://www.thejournal.ie/kate-shannon-ware-south-kerry-ballinskelligs-granted-visas-2184403-Jun2015/

This is not how a proper country runs. This craic would not be entertained anywhere else in the west. Imagine trying this in Canada or in the US?

Deleted User wrote: »

We are just such a soft touch its just not funny. We are terrified of being accused of being racist. But I really really wonder who (apart from a smallish groups of bleeding hearts) really wants the laws as lax as this? I don't know anyone IRL who does, and I meet a broad range of people week to week.

Landlords, big business and the self flagellating?

Deleted User wrote: »

Agree completely. There are (I believe ) 3 or 4 opportunities to appeal if refused leave to stay. each one (on free legal aid) racking up legal fees paid by my tax and your tax.

We are just such a soft touch its just not funny. We are terrified of being accused of being racist. But I really really wonder who (apart from a smallish groups of bleeding hearts) really wants the laws as lax as this? I don't know anyone IRL who does, and I meet a broad range of people week to week.

only racists are terrified of being accused of being racist.. there are no "bleeding hearts" apart from in the minds of questionable types

end of the road wrote: »

If they don't catch you, you will. Plenty of people in the US illegally for years.



No most likely new evidence came to light during an appeal and that is probably why they were allowed to stay. Nothing to do with SF who just expressed an opinion on the matter.

And a forthright opinion it was too...

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/35104

“I call on Minister Frances Fitzgerald to act without delay to stop this deportation.”

The "plight" of the family would appear,on initial reading to be an example of official Irish confusion and ineptitude,however in the best traditions of reading between the lines,I'm not quite so sure of the cut'n dried nature of it...

The Ware family’s trouble began three years ago, when they apparently fell foul of the discord between the two bodies in the Republic of Ireland allowed to award visas to non-citizens,

As they tell it, the family arrived in Ireland five years ago, in July 2010, on a three-month holiday visa, intending to initially scope out the area and make plans for a long-term return later, but immediately they wanted to stay.

On receiving the second rejection from INIS,the family planned to move to Northern Ireland for six months until learning that they could not qualify for a visa there. Returning to Kerry,their solicitor made a Humanitarian Leave to Remain (HLTR) request on the grounds of the three girls' integration into their community.

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There is an agenda to get the population out of the country [Ireland]. You can claim low unemployment numbers if everybody is abroad, so it isn’t a reciprocal thing. It isn’t working together for the good of the people. It’s 'let’s get rid of these people so that I can have a nice cushy job,'” Shannon believes.

“It seems kind of cynical, but when Enda Kenny went and said to Barack Obama, ‘Oh, we have all the undocumented Irish, can’t you do something?’ we were like ‘Well, what about us and what about all these other people that we know?’

Intriguing stuff,for sure,which will make the other side of the story even more interesting surely ?

MathDebater wrote: »

Wasn't Ferris the Shinner that scooped up Garda McCabes murderers when they were released from prison?

And that arsehole waffling on about 'fairness' for the 'undocumented.'

Not sure about today,but it seems he does have a historical interest in boating...?

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/17744

SINN FÉIN has stood by its Kerry North deputy Martin Ferris after he helped spirit away two of the gang who killed Detective Jerry McCabe as they were released from prison.

Yesterday morning a van carrying Pearse McAuley, 42, and Kevin Walsh, 54, was driven away from Castlerea Prison as photographers and reporters were kept 200 metres back.

Mr Ferris was inside the van as it drove ahead of reporters and an unmarked garda car. After a short time the released men were transferred to another car as the transit van was used to block the pursuit.

Mr Ferris’s Dáil colleague Arthur Morgan said Sinn Féin had supported the decision to greet Det McCabe’s killers.

And he denied there was any attempt to thwart the gardaí, who could still have executed a British arrest warrant out on McAuley.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/sf-defends-ferris-as-freed-mccabe-killers-elude-media-98117.html

Him collecting cop killers from prison and then having the gall to waffle on about 'fairness' for the 'undocumented'.