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Advocates of limited immigration accused of being racist.

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    #92
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    The Irish government did not learn from the mistakes of other countries with a longer history of immigration . The law has changed far too slow to keep pace with past abuse of the system and it seems will continue to do so.

    You've not demonstrated any real abuse of the system though, and failed to point out any 'mistake' in committing to full freedom of movement within the EU. Just because you don't care for the level of immigration at play doesn't mean it's a problem for others.


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    #93
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    guyjohn wrote: »
    To limit immigration of the new EU countries in 2006 for a start which others did.


    What was the problem with that?


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    #94
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    guyjohn wrote: »
    To limit immigration of the new EU countries in 2006 for a start which others did.
    I think you mean 2004?

    Facts are not your strong point, are they?


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    #95
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I think you mean 2004?

    Facts are not your strong point, are they?

    Does 1 year make such a difference .


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    #96
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    Nodin wrote: »
    What was the problem with that?

    Many came here and then lost jobs in the crash.


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    #97
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    alastair wrote: »
    You've not demonstrated any real abuse of the system though, and failed to point out any 'mistake' in committing to full freedom of movement within the EU. Just because you don't care for the level of immigration at play doesn't mean it's a problem for others.

    Immigration also applies to those coming from outside the EU who do not have the same entitlement.
    I showed links in earlier posts to abuse of the system.

    You have failed to even mention or show any positive side to immigration. I take it none exist . Time for you to demonstrate something beyond short comments.


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    #98
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    Immigration also applies to those coming from outside the EU who do not have the same entitlement.
    I showed links in earlier posts to abuse of the system.
    No you didn't. You posted about anecdotal instances of people breaking rules - which you'll find in any area/law/issue. That's not an argument against current immigration (or asylum for that matter) policy.

    guyjohn wrote: »
    You have failed to even mention or show any positive side to immigration. I take it none exist . Time for you to demonstrate something beyond short comments.
    This is a country built on immigration. The positives are well known to every family in this island - every emigrant is an immigrant. What does inward immigration do for us, other than provide a boost to the economy, promote a broader cultural engagement with the world, extend the gene pool, deter homogeny and xenophobia, and provide much better culinary options, etc? As I say - just because you've got some kneejerk reaction to the small number of foreigners amongst us, doesn't mean others share your concerns.


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    #99
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    Many came here and then lost jobs in the crash.

    How is that a problem?


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    #100
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    guyjohn wrote: »
    Does 1 year make such a difference .
    I think you mean 2 years?

    Arithmetic is obviously not a strong point either.
    guyjohn wrote: »
    Many came here and then lost jobs in the crash.
    And many have since left.
    guyjohn wrote: »
    Immigration also applies to those coming from outside the EU who do not have the same entitlement.
    Entitlement to what?


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    #101
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    guyjohn wrote: »
    Many came here and then lost jobs in the crash.

    Yep. Again - What was the problem?
    guyjohn wrote:
    Immigration also applies to those coming from outside the EU who do not have the
    same entitlement.

    Immigration from outside the EU is limited. Whats your point?


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    #102
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    alastair wrote: »
    No you didn't. You posted about anecdotal instances of people breaking rules - which you'll find in any area/law/issue. That's not an argument against current immigration (or asylum for that matter) policy.



    This is a country built on immigration. The positives are well known to every family in this island - every emigrant is an immigrant. What does inward immigration do for us, other than provide a boost to the economy, promote a broader cultural engagement with the world, extend the gene pool, deter homogeny and xenophobia, and provide much better culinary options, etc? As I say - just because you've got some kneejerk reaction to the small number of foreigners amongst us, doesn't mean others share your concerns.

    My only problem is with illegal immigration . I never stated I had a problem with immigration you assumed this only.
    This has made it more difficult for Irish citizens to legitimately sponsor a tourist visa for example.


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    #103
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I think you mean 2 years?

    Arithmetic is obviously not a strong point either.
    And many have since left.
    Entitlement to what?

    To reside here . my memory not arithmetic.


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    #104
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    guyjohn wrote: »
    My only problem is with illegal immigration . I never stated I had a problem with immigration you assumed this only.
    guyjohn wrote:
    You have failed to even mention or show any positive side to immigration. I take it none exist.
    Statements like that would tend to suggest that you do have a problem with immigration, illegal or otherwise.


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    #105
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    Statements like that would tend to suggest that you do have a problem with immigration, illegal or otherwise.

    You are twisting my words.


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    #106
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    djpbarry wrote: »
    I think you mean 2 years?

    Arithmetic is obviously not a strong point either.
    And many have since left.
    Entitlement to what?

    I thought one of the rules was attack the post not the poster now you tell me my arithmetic is bad !


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    #107
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    My only problem is with illegal immigration . I never stated I had a problem with immigration you assumed this only.

    ehh;
    You have failed to even mention or show any positive side to immigration. I take it none exist .


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    #108
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    You are twisting my words.

    No he's not. He's quoting them verbatim.


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    #109
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    guyjohn wrote: »
    You are twisting my words.
    In case you have forgotten, they are your words from this post.


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    #110
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    To reside here .

    Clearly there is an entitlement for non-EU nationals to reside here, if they've been issued a visa to do so.


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    #111
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    alastair wrote: »
    Clearly there is an entitlement for non-EU nationals to reside here, if they've been issued a visa to do so.

    I did not know that .


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    #112
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    alastair wrote: »
    No you didn't. You posted about anecdotal instances of people breaking rules - which you'll find in any area/law/issue. That's not an argument against current immigration (or asylum for that matter) policy.



    This is a country built on immigration. The positives are well known to every family in this island - every emigrant is an immigrant. What does inward immigration do for us, other than provide a boost to the economy, promote a broader cultural engagement with the world, extend the gene pool, deter homogeny and xenophobia, and provide much better culinary options, etc? As I say - just because you've got some kneejerk reaction to the small number of foreigners amongst us, doesn't mean others share your concerns.

    Built on emigration .Immigration to Ireland only begun 20 years ago the numbers were insignificant before this.


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    #113
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    Built on emigration.

    Every emigrant is an immigrant.


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    #114
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    guyjohn wrote: »
    My only problem is with illegal immigration . I never stated I had a problem with immigration you assumed this only.
    This has made it more difficult for Irish citizens to legitimately sponsor a tourist visa for example.

    Yet when asked what the Irish government has failed to learn from others, you stated

    "To limit immigration of the new EU countries in 2006 for a start which others did"
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89968773&postcount=91


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    #115
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yet when asked what the Irish government has failed to learn from others, you stated

    "To limit immigration of the new EU countries in 2006 for a start which others did"
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=89968773&postcount=91

    The restrictions on employment only . This would have prevented the unnecessary movement of people here to take up jobs that were not permanent.


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    #116
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    Frank Grimes wrote: »
    In case you have forgotten, they are your words from this post.

    are they my words . greece is the word.


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    #117
    Frank Grimes
    Registered Users Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭Frank Grimes


    guyjohn wrote: »
    are they my words
    Given that you posted it I'm going to hazard a guess and say yes.


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    #118
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    alastair wrote: »
    No he's not. He's quoting them verbatim.

    ad infinitim


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    #119
    alastair
    Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    guyjohn wrote: »
    The restrictions on employment only . This would have prevented the unnecessary movement of people here to take up jobs that were not permanent.

    Exactly - so you're opposed to legal immigration, alongside illegal immigration - despite claiming otherwise. This flexibility with the truth is becoming something of a habit.


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    #120
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    guyjohn wrote: »
    The restrictions on employment only . This would have prevented the unnecessary movement of people here to take up jobs that were not permanent.

    The purpose of the area is to allow the free movement of workers to seek employment - it wasn't set up to be a fancy tourist visa.

    How do you know that the majority did not come here seeking permanent employment?


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    #121
    guyjohn
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 101 ✭✭guyjohn


    Nodin wrote: »
    The purpose of the area is to allow the free movement of workers to seek employment - it wasn't set up to be a fancy tourist visa.

    How do you know that the majority did not come here seeking permanent employment?

    In that case they came to seek temporary employment, welfare . as a tourist or to visit relatives unless you know another reason.


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