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Drug dealers' website selling ecstasy and HEROIN doubles its sales to £1MILLION

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    #32
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,230 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    FatherLen wrote: »
    a link to the daily mail AND a thread with no opinion from the op????


    GET HIM!
    It's like throwing a stinkbomb into a crowded room, locking the door and running away.


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    #33
    LowKeyReturn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 934 ✭✭✭LowKeyReturn


    IsThisIt??? wrote: »
    There is a bitcoin bubble that is surely going to collapse soon. I wouldn't want to hold on to any bitcoins for too long

    Need to last another couple of weeks! Just installed the client and GUI miner! :D


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    #34
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Feck sake, I always find out about these things too late. I must have been the last person in Ireland to know what a headshop was.


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    #35
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Silk Road, Tor, and Bitcoin combined is one of the best things to happen in modern society. Fairly soon, the 'thought crime' of experiencing highs will be absolutely impossible for the authorities to maintain and they'll have no choice but to legislate to ease restrictions on people taking drugs.
    Sure, people are going to say "Tor's encryption will one day be cracked, Bitcoin will be regulated and Silk Road will die", but they're missing the point: It's the concept that matters. If those three technologies are killed, new and more resilient ones will take their place. It's only a matter of time. It's already happening actually, there's an add-on for Bitcoin called "zerocoin" which makes it truly impossible to trace a Bitcoin transaction.

    People should realize that drugs were originally banned not out of any sort of health concerns but out of fears of their potential for social disruption. That there are laws governing what a consenting adult can do with his or her own body is, in my view, appalling. Victimless crime is not a crime.


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    #36
    Ravenid
    Registered Users Posts: 217 ✭✭Ravenid


    weiland79 wrote: »
    and quickly burned the evidence.

    I see what you did there. :D


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    #37
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Sure, people are going to say "Tor's encryption will one day be cracked, Bitcoin will be regulated and Silk Road will die", but they're missing the point: It's the concept that matters. If those three technologies are killed, new and more resilient ones will take their place.

    Considering that 80% of TOR's funding comes from US government sources (US State Department, National Science Foundation) I'm not sure there's much of a will to kill the protocol.


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    #38
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    I was talking to a guy at the weekend who buys his MDMA and pills from the Silk Road, says it takes about a week to deliver (from the Netherlands) and is very reliable.


    In saying that it's unfair to call it a drug dealing website. It's perfect for getting counterfeit currency, fake jewelry, and stolen electronics too!


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    #39
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Ah here now, a quick google and a look on YouTube will tell you how to get access and create an account, hardly very difficult to access :pac:

    Well my I.T. teacher is right.. :P


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    #40
    NegativeCreep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,351 ✭✭✭NegativeCreep


    Ugh, effort of going on the deep web just to get it. I always feel so so dirty on there. There is some filthy stuff that shouldn't be seen.
    I think a good old fashioned trip to a dealers house is less effort and less effort.


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    #41
    locum-motion
    Registered Users Posts: 5,143 ✭✭✭locum-motion


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    ...I think a good old fashioned trip to a dealers house is less effort and less effort.


    And tautological typing doesn't waste effort at all, does it?


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    #42
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    Silk Road, Tor, and Bitcoin combined is one of the best things to happen in modern society. Fairly soon, the 'thought crime' of experiencing highs will be absolutely impossible for the authorities to maintain and they'll have no choice but to legislate to ease restrictions on people taking drugs.
    Sure, people are going to say "Tor's encryption will one day be cracked, Bitcoin will be regulated and Silk Road will die", but they're missing the point: It's the concept that matters. If those three technologies are killed, new and more resilient ones will take their place. It's only a matter of time. It's already happening actually, there's an add-on for Bitcoin called "zerocoin" which makes it truly impossible to trace a Bitcoin transaction.

    People should realize that drugs were originally banned not out of any sort of health concerns but out of fears of their potential for social disruption. That there are laws governing what a consenting adult can do with his or her own body is, in my view, appalling. Victimless crime is not a crime.

    It's years since I looked into this stuff but TOR only encrypts the path of the packet. doesn't encrypt what's in it. And doesn't make it invisible from the exit node (or any other but the exit node is special as it knows the final destination). Each node knows where it got the packet from and where it it sending it to next. The "encryption" in TOR only encrypts the other addresses. Breaking the encryption isn't the only way, technically, of tracing the packet.

    I'm also not sure if there are built-in protections against this, but I'm fairly sure that any site you are visiting can also get your IP address from client side java or scripts etc that you are running from their site, perhaps without you being aware of it or knowing how to block it or that you need to!

    It's all honeypots for a lot of people!! A bit of "knowledge" can get you into trouble :-)


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    #43
    ScumLord
    Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    o1s1n wrote: »
    Dangerous: This cannabis was being sold but users say it is easier and safer than buying off a street dealer
    The daily mails scary article generator doesn't really understand what it's saying it just drops scary words next to sentences.
    weiland79 wrote: »
    I never heard anything from customs after that and quickly burned the evidence.
    In a spliff?
    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    All of the webpages your able to access i.e. Board, Donedeal etc etc. (legal stuff) Is only 3% of the whole internet. The other 97% in underground, like Silk Road
    That seems hard to believe, how could an underworld network generate more traffic as the internet that the majority of the world's population use?


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    #44
    LowKeyReturn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 934 ✭✭✭LowKeyReturn


    yore wrote: »
    It's years since I looked into this stuff but TOR only encrypts the path of the packet. doesn't encrypt what's in it. And doesn't make it invisible from the exit node. Each node knows where it got the packet from and where it it sending it to next. The "encryption" in TOR only encrypts the other addresses. Breaking the encryption isn't the only way, technically, of tracing the packet.

    I'm also not sure if there are built-in protections against this, but I'm fairly sure that any site you are visiting can also get your IP address from client side java or scripts etc that you are running from their site, perhaps without you being aware of it or knowing how to block it or that you need to!

    It's all honeypots for a lot of people!! A bit of "knowledge" can get you into trouble :-)

    Tracing is possible, and has been done, but its beyond most local law enforcement. FBI/CIA probably can but I doubt they would compromise their position for the sake of catching a few drug dealers or peados trading porn. (Arguably the latter actually helps them catch the actual producers). I suspect the intelligence services use TOR to gather intelligence in regards to terrorist organisations but them perhaps this belongs in the CT forum rather than here.

    As for IP addresses - yes quite easily gathered, as with personal information. This is a far easier method of tracking people rather than tracing.


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    #45
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    LowKeyReturn wrote: »
    Tracing is possible, and has been done, but its beyond most local law enforcement. FBI/CIA probably can but I doubt they would compromise their position for the sake of catching a few drug dealers or peados trading porn. (Arguably the latter actually helps them catch the actual producers). I suspect the intelligence services use TOR to gather intelligence in regards to terrorist organisations but them perhaps this belongs in the CT forum rather than here.

    As for IP addresses - yes quite easily gathered, as with personal information. This is a far easier method of tracking people rather than tracing.


    I played around with TAILS Linux before. Years ago. I think it was actually called something else that time. The concepts were interesting. Not for anything dodgy mind......I'd know enough about it to know that I didn't know enough about it to be doing anything dodgy with it


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    #46
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    All of the webpages your able to access i.e. Board, Donedeal etc etc. (legal stuff) Is only 3% of the whole internet. The other 97% in underground, like Silk Road

    The surface web, which is the 3% you're referencing, is the number of sites indexed by the major search engines. The other 97%, known as the deep web, consists of sites that are not indexed. Those sites are almost entirely legitimate sites that simply are either not for public access (such as private portals for MNCs) or new sites that simply haven't been indexed yet.

    Nobody knows exactly how large the deep web is or what it contains (because, by definition, they are unknown) but it can be stated with confidence that contrary to popular belief they are not entirely child porn sites, terrorist sites, or drug dealing sites. They do exist but probably only make up a fraction of a fraction of a percent of the deep web.
    yore wrote: »
    It's years since I looked into this stuff but TOR only encrypts the path of the packet. doesn't encrypt what's in it.
    Tor encrypts the data sent between the client and the exit node, it does not encrypt the path (I don't even know what that means).


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    #47
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    The new fivers are easily replicated... or so I'm told...

    Deep web is interesting for the first couple of hours then you feel kind of strange and then the grifter comes and gets you


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    #48
    kingsenny
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭kingsenny


    BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »
    Incorrect, It is very difficult to access, you need certain coding to run it and different software to create an account. Also this website was created many moons ago by the Russian army to be able to swap around firearms between themselves. Then it was sold, the Russian army were actually trying to close it down a while ago. But because an ordinary Joe owns it now they can't get it closed down.


    Speculation here, but there seems to be a few thousand Irish accounts on it. So I'm guessing that the drugs etc. would be very very well hidden.

    Lastly. Funny fact number 12:

    All of the webpages your able to access i.e. Board, Donedeal etc etc. (legal stuff) Is only 3% of the whole internet. The other 97% in underground, like Silk Road


    I'd love to know where BUBBLE WRAP gets his/her "facts" from lol :rolleyes:


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    #49
    DipStick McSwindler
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    #50
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,067 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    ScumLord wrote: »
    That seems hard to believe, how could an underworld network generate more traffic as the internet that the majority of the world's population use?

    This pretty much explains the notion people have about most of the internet being 'hidden'

    http://i.imgur.com/Srbk0.jpg


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    #51
    yore
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,127 ✭✭✭yore


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Tor encrypts the data sent between the client and the exit node, it does not encrypt the path (I don't even know what that means).

    I meant that it encrypt the packet headers. So that each machine only knows it's nearest neighbourns and all other information on the route/source/destination of the packet is washed or encrypted. Perhaps it encrypts the data between the end nodes too.

    Anyway, my point was that it's not foolproof or 100% secure on it own. I wasn't giving an in-dept technical overview of the protocol as I don't know it :-)


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    #52
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    yore wrote: »
    I meant that it encrypt the packet headers. So that each machine only knows it's nearest neighbourns and all other information on the route/source/destination of the packet is washed or encrypted. Perhaps it encrypts the data between the end nodes too.
    Ya, that's more-or-less it.
    Anyway, my point was that it's not foolproof or 100% secure on it own.

    Which is definitely a point that isn't made enough. There a plenty of ways to inadvertently reveal your location or identity over TOR.


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    #53
    BUBBLE WRAP
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,186 ✭✭✭BUBBLE WRAP


    kingsenny wrote: »
    I'd love to know where BUBBLE WRAP gets his/her "facts" from lol :rolleyes:

    I'm Male. :P

    I should be online there somewhere, I'm not going to search it on my old Nokia. :D


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    #54
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Imagine all the free cool **** you'd get if you were the person searching all the parcels... guns drugs and immigrants, not to mention all the birthday money


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    #55
    MickFleetwood
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    harry Bailey esq wrote: »
    i believe the site is called silk road,and uses bitcoin. from what I've heard its extremely difficult to access.

    It's actually quite easy to access. :pac: It's on the Deep Web, which is basically everything not indexed by normal servers. It's easy enough to get on but it's a fairly nasty place.


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    #56
    NegativeCreep
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    What exactly are bitcoins and how do you get them? I'm assuming they're not actually real. Is it risky to buy them?


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    #57
    kingsenny
    Registered Users Posts: 68 ✭✭kingsenny


    NegativeCreep wrote: »
    What exactly are bitcoins and how do you get them? I'm assuming they're not actually real. Is it risky to buy them?

    Virtual money. About as risky as any other currency tbh. Probably more if you throw in the copious amounts of illegal activites associated with it and the lack of any restrictions...


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    DipStick McSwindler
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    DipStick McSwindler
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    #60
    frozenfrozen
    Registered Users Posts: 7,882 ✭✭✭frozenfrozen


    Communities seem much larger than they are when everyone is anonymous. Look at 4chan, it seems like there are an endless amount of people on there but in reality they're only getting a couple million HITS a day. And there's a lot of page reloading on 4chan


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    #61
    Seachmall
    Registered Users Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    frozenfrozen wrote: »
    Communities seem much larger than they are when everyone is anonymous. Look at 4chan, it seems like there are an endless amount of people on there but in reality they're only getting a couple million HITS a day. And there's a lot of page reloading on 4chan

    4Chan gets a couple of million unique hits a day making it one of the most popular websites online.


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