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Dead Island Riptide Collector's Edition [NSFW]

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    #62
    snausages
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    The irony is, that if they were not put that torso in it, nobody would even thing of mentioning dead island in conversation as example of sexist and violent game! So a junk piece of plastic does more harm and steriotiping then beheading and killing of countless zombie females in actual game!

    You're right, it's the cheap piece of plastic that does the most damage. Dead Island doesn't ask you to target female zombies and dismember them. Although I'm sure after this that there will be some uninformed people who think that this is exactly what the game asks, similar to how so many believed (and still believe) that GTA is a prostitute-murdering simulator.


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    #63
    hooradiation
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭hooradiation


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    You have that backwards.

    Well, if you imagine that this creepy item came into being in a vacuum then fair enough.

    But nobody is that stupid, saying we ought to limit discussion to the symptoms of the problem rather than the problem itself is a waste of goddamn time.

    But, handily, avoids having to deal with some deeply engrained issues in the games industry and gamer 'culture' so I can see why it's appealing.


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    #64
    danthefan
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    Anyone remember Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball?


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    #65
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    This is being singled out just because there is no head, arms or legs.

    Well, yeah...that is part of the problem. Women endure a cultural bias towards reducing them to subservient sexual objects. Removing the head, arms and legs while leaving the "important bits" is quite symptomatic of that.

    There are a lot of people saying things like "It is not misogynistic" or "there was no sexist intent". Here's an important thing to remember about prejudice and discrimination, be it sexism, racism or homophobia: Just because someone is not aware of their prejudices doesn't excuse them. If you treat people prejudicially you are contributing to the problem, whether you are not bothering to refer to a transgender person as the correct gender, assuming an immigrant is unemployed, or treating women as sexual objects; you're prejudiced.

    I would agree that describing these guys as idiots is probably more accurate than sexists, it doesn't excuse them: They still need to take responsibility for their own discriminatory attitudes.


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    #66
    Potential-Monke
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    I understand where you're coming from Zillah. And i agree some people fall into those categories. But, i think, and without taking away from all the progress that has been made in the area of prejudice/racism/sexism, etc, that it can get a bit too PC.

    I'm lucky in so far as i'm not part of a legally protected minority group. I'm male, white, and live in a "first world" country. However, i am part of the minority group which isn't legally recognised. Ginger. You may say "oh FFS, get over it, it's only hair colour", but gingers experience similar events that the minority groups do. We get bullied in school, get picked on throughout life, etc.

    I'm not turning this into a "justice for gingers" thread or arguement, but in my experiences (30 this year), political correctness has gone too far. We all have legal standing equal to each other, and any deliberate exclusion or decision based on the prejudices can be challenged in court.

    But this, this to me is harmless fun that PC has it's eyes on. I don't think that the marketing company overlooked the prejudices when designing the bust, it was an un-intentional by product of overly PC.

    That's just my 2 cents anyway. I honestly can't see any womens rights groups getting rightly concerned with this.


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    #67
    Zero-Cool
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    Lads I think this stupid statue did the trick. People are talking about the game.

    There wasn't much interest in the Original thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80454532 and Dead Island Riptide was flying well below radar until this news story popped up.

    Now I would say everyone agrees how crap the statue is whether it is the torso, boobs, union jack bra, whatever but Deep Silver have people talking about their game whether that was their idea all along I dunno.

    Personally I'm really looking forward to this.

    PS. I really wish games would put more t-shirts in special editions instead of absolute crap items that no one will ever use/want.


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    #68
    Potential-Monke
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    sheehy83 wrote: »
    PS. I really wish games would put more t-shirts in special editions instead of absolute crap items that no one will ever use/want.

    Me too, i lurve t-shirts!!

    T-shirts and bobble-heads!

    And guns.

    And swords.

    And figurines.


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    #69
    Zillah
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    I honestly can't see any womens rights groups getting rightly concerned with this.

    Bet ya a tenner!


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    #70
    ShadowHearth
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    gizmo wrote: »
    Cheers! I highly doubt she'll be offended by it to be honest, none of my female mates, gamer or otherwise, were. That doesn't mean they don't think it's a pile of **** of course.

    As for decent links, from what I can see this one is the best image available at the moment. I'm sure there'll be more out there once pre-orders go live.

    Well, she came back from home. so i did this:

    Well, love, you know how games come in with all sort geeky crap, when you buy collectors edition. so would you look at this and tell me how you fell about it. So, what do you think?
    Emmmmm, dunno. Its a statue i guess. Sort of "meh".
    Is it offensive in ant way?
    offensive? nah, why would it be?
    Well, this developer is getting rail roaded for his statue, they are now marked as sexist and violence pushers.
    Why? because its not dudes torso? Or that it has tits? Whats the problem?
    *Starts to walk away and says:
    People should just feck off and not look for deeper meaning in things, there are more serious **** out there to be worried about...

    She is not a gamer. Mortal woman like any other.


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    #71
    Arawn
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    TBH the most annoying thing about the figure is the union jack bra, thats right lads only english people buy special editions


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    #72
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    ... union jack b... i mean.. wha....


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    #73
    Arawn
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    sheehy83 wrote: »
    Lads I think this stupid statue did the trick. People are talking about the game.

    There wasn't much interest in the Original thread
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=80454532 and Dead Island Riptide was flying well below radar until this news story popped up.

    Now I would say everyone agrees how crap the statue is whether it is the torso, boobs, union jack bra, whatever but Deep Silver have people talking about their game whether that was their idea all along I dunno.

    Personally I'm really looking forward to this.

    PS. I really wish games would put more t-shirts in special editions instead of absolute crap items that no one will ever use/want.

    I quite like the tshirt I got in FFXII-2 and wear it quite alot


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    #74
    Zillah
    Registered Users Posts: 17,371 ✭✭✭✭Zillah


    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    Well, she came back from home. so i did this:

    Well, love, you know how games come in with all sort geeky crap, when you buy collectors edition. so would you look at this and tell me how you fell about it. So, what do you think?
    Emmmmm, dunno. Its a statue i guess. Sort of "meh".
    Is it offensive in ant way?
    offensive? nah, why would it be?
    Well, this developer is getting rail roaded for his statue, they are now marked as sexist and violence pushers.
    Why? because its not dudes torso? Or that it has tits? Whats the problem?
    *Starts to walk away and says:
    People should just feck off and not look for deeper meaning in things, there are more serious **** out there to be worried about...

    She is not a gamer. Mortal woman like any other.

    Clearly your girlfriend has been indoctrinated by the dominant patriarchy.


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    #75
    ShadowHearth
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    Zillah wrote: »
    Clearly your girlfriend has been indoctrinated by the dominant patriarchy.

    :confused:


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    #76
    johnny_ultimate
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »
    People should just feck off and not look for deeper meaning in things, there are more serious **** out there to be worried about...

    I cannot possibly share that attitude. Of course there's more important things, but we're gamers on a gaming forum talking about gaming topics. Some of us want our hobby to grow and mature and for the people who sell us games not to engage in puerile and condescending tactics such as this. When we see stuff like this, we're right to complain - I personally find it insulting to our collective intelligence, and restricts gaming from being an inclusive medium. "All in a bit of fun", but alas that fun is just the latest in a seemingly endless series of immature marketing gimmicks by game publishers and developers, not to mention a consistently unbalanced attitude to gender throughout the gaming community / industry. Those of us who disagree with such tactics need to speak up, otherwise they'll still try and get away with it.
    Potential-Monke wrote:
    But this, this to me is harmless fun that PC has it's eyes on. I don't think that the marketing company overlooked the prejudices when designing the bust, it was an un-intentional by product of overly PC.

    The 'politically correct brigade' rhetoric is unconvincing in this circumstance. As has been repeated ad nausea here and elsewhere, this is simply a particularly vivid representation of a mindset that affects everyone who calls themselves a gamer. If it's an act of conservative 'politically correctness' to speak out against bull**** like this, well then sign me up for a Daily Mail subscription. But to shut up and just let game publishers get away with it, with nary a complaint? Well that's a form of cowardly groupthinking inertia I don't want to subscribe to.

    Sure, plenty don't see the big deal, that's their right. But some of us do find this demeaning and a tad disturbing, and I'm glad to see people speaking up against it.


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    #77
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    I cannot possibly share that attitude. Of course there's more important things, but we're gamers on a gaming forum talking about gaming topics. Some of us want our hobby to grow and mature and for the people who sell us games not to engage in puerile and condescending tactics such as this. When we see stuff like this, we're right to complain - I personally find it insulting to our collective intelligence, and restricts gaming from being an inclusive medium. "All in a bit of fun", but alas that fun is just the latest in a seemingly endless series of immature marketing gimmicks by game publishers and developers. Those of us who disagree with such tactics need to speak up, otherwise they'll still try and get away with it.






    as a cinephile are you embarrassed or insulted by 'nude nuns with big guns' ?

    i think gamers are a bit too sensitive about this stuff. I'm not embarrassed or ashamed to be a gamer so I've no need to be defensive about it. if someone wants to put that blood spattered piece of **** on their desk beside their monitor, fair enough. I've no reason to get worked up about it.


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    #78
    snausages
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    I think that 'Nude Nuns..' is at least a little bit more self-deprecating than this is. I hope so anyway.


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    #79
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    snausages wrote: »
    I think that 'Nude Nuns..' is at least a little bit more self-deprecating than this is. I hope so anyway.

    it's basically rape porn. then it turns into murder porn.

    its been a while since I watched it so i dont remember if it turns back into rape porn

    i got the impression that whoever was making it had one hand down their trousers the entire time they were filming


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    #80
    johnny_ultimate
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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    as a cinephile are you embarrassed or insulted by 'nude nuns with big guns' ?

    I choose to ignore it, because I think film is a much more diverse medium, even in mainstream. I often have spoken up against particularly objectionable crap in film though - the Transformers films alone offer a veritable checklist of things to get outraged about, and I have complained against them futilely online from time to time, yes.
    i think gamers are a bit too sensitive about this stuff. I'm not embarrassed or ashamed to be a gamer so I've no need to be defensive about it. if someone wants to put that blood spattered piece of **** on their desk beside their monitor, fair enough. I've no reason to get worked up about it.

    I'm not ashamed to call myself a gamer either, but I do think gaming is alone in its male-dominated, immature mindset (not that books, music or films don't indulge their audience's basest urges, but they're more balanced, open industries overall). Luckily this is ever-improving, but every time topics of gender come up I think they get drowned in a sea of noise. The industry needs to improve, and these sort of things come across as backwards.


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    #81
    ShadowHearth
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    johnny_ultimate wrote: »
    I cannot possibly share that attitude. Of course there's more important things, but we're gamers on a gaming forum talking about gaming topics. Some of us want our hobby to grow and mature and for the people who sell us games not to engage in puerile and condescending tactics such as this. When we see stuff like this, we're right to complain - I personally find it insulting to our collective intelligence, and restricts gaming from being an inclusive medium. "All in a bit of fun", but alas that fun is just the latest in a seemingly endless series of immature marketing gimmicks by game publishers and developers, not to mention a consistently unbalanced attitude to gender throughout the gaming community / industry. Those of us who disagree with such tactics need to speak up, otherwise they'll still try and get away with it.



    The 'politically correct brigade' rhetoric is unconvincing in this circumstance. As has been repeated ad nausea here and elsewhere, this is simply a particularly vivid representation of a mindset that affects everyone who calls themselves a gamer. If it's an act of conservative 'politically correctness' to speak out against bull**** like this, well then sign me up for a Daily Mail subscription. But to shut up and just let game publishers get away with it, with nary a complaint? Well that's a form of cowardly groupthinking inertia I don't want to subscribe to.

    Sure, plenty don't see the big deal, that's their right. But some of us do find this demeaning and a tad disturbing, and I'm glad to see people speaking up against it.

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overthinking it...

    Too much drama over a piece of plastic.


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    #82
    snausages
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    I'm not convinced that misogyny is as rampant and as widespread in gaming as people are arguing. I have problems with this promotion but I don't think it's at all indicative of any general trend in game development or gamer culture. It's perhaps not as inclusive or diverse as it could be but with the way the 'm' word gets thrown around these days it seems to contribute to a lot more noise than reasoned debate. I know we had incidents last year like when Dragon Age writer Jennifer Helper was on the receiving end of a ton of abuse, but when you look at where all that invective comes from it's usually just a small but extremely loud and dedicated group of internet sub-humans most often from the likes of 4chan's /v/ or other internet cesspools. I can't think of too many examples where women video game characters have bothered me either, not that there aren't examples either. Obviously we can't ignore the likes of Itagaki in a discussion like this but guys like him aren't exactly common. More often than not I just think that sh*t female characters is a symptom of sh*t writing in video games rather than a demonstrated hostility towards women.


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    #83
    Zillah
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    ShadowHearth wrote: »

    WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY overthinking it...so much drama over a piece of plastic.

    People sometimes take a rather laughable position that because we're talking about something we're angry or getting carried away with it. Ehhh, it's a discussion forum, you don't want to discuss this topic then there are plenty of others. Like it or not but people take their cue from how people are portrayed in popular culture. I was joking about the indoctrination thing, but then again, whether your girlfriend realises it or not, this statue and things like it are doing her a disservice.


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    #84
    ShadowHearth
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    Zillah wrote: »
    People sometimes take a rather laughable position that because we're talking about something we're angry or getting carried away with it. Ehhh, it's a discussion forum, you don't want to discuss this topic then there are plenty of others. Like it or not but people take their queue from how people are portrayed in popular culture. I was joking about the indoctrination thing, but then again, whether your girlfriend realises it or not, this statue and things like it are doing her a disservice.

    Aye, my sarcastic mode had a glitch, i got it later.

    Yes, people are entitled to their opinion. My opinion it this, that people OVER REACT MUCH!

    So, some developer made a stupid thing. Made a silly collectors edition item. So now it means that gaming industry went to the dogs, we all doomed! Think of a children please!

    So someone makes a stupid movie with violence and gore, sexism. Nobody cries " oh my god movie industry is dead! Think of a children!!!! NO! If movie is ****, we just dont watch it and go watch other good movies.

    What is even worse, people are moaning about a freaking STATUE! Not the actual violence or sexism in game!!! Just an ITEM, on which people are making their own interpretation! Yes, it is stupid Statue, but come on! Common sense? please?

    The highlighted part. So she should be intimidated by it and feel offended, because others think it is offending to her gender. She does not give a feck about it, that is it.
    Sexism and violence card is being droped way too often for anything these days. there are some really big sexism and violence issues out there and this stupid statue is stupid first world problem.

    Sexism in middle east, now thats a PROBLEM! We dont talk about this, but hey, some stupid statue? RIGHT! ARM YOURSELF! TO THE RESCUE MORALITY POLICE!


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    #85
    Potential-Monke
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    I would like to point out that gaming is sexist towards males too. Many, many, many big name games have the main character as a huge, muscled macho man. Is that not sexist? To portray heroes as men with more muscle than Arnie?

    Granted, the heroes are getting more believable; Drake, Freeman, yer man from Splinter Cell. But, the heroes are usually full of muscle; Kratos, Fenix, most of the men in Street Fighter. To name but a few.

    When men get all muscley, they show them off.* When women get the "perfect" body, they wear bikinis.* It's natural, and the game plays on it. If anything, it's sexist to both sexes.

    Tomorrow, when i'm back at work, i'm going to show the bust to as many of my female colleagues as possible and see what they think of it.

    *Generalisation


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    #86
    landsleaving
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    Muscled men are usually portrayed in a position of power. Sure the muscles and proportions create an unrealistic image of an idealised man, but they're still portrayed as being dominant and in control of their situation. It's not about the body as a sexual object, but the portrayal of the female form in a position of vulnerability and submission. There's nothing inherently sexist about a woman in a bikini. There is when it's a torso with no distinguishing features other than a pair of breasts.

    It's a sexualised mutilated corpse.


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    #87
    snausages
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    I think that Bayonetta is an excellent subversion of that. Her sexuality is literally a weapon she uses to destroy her enemy. Which is why I was more than a little bit puzzled when feminist game critic Anita Sarkesian took issue with her in one of her videos. But then she thought it was an erotic fighting game where the player gets points for taking her clothes off so I'm guessing she didn't actually play it.

    That tropes v women thing still hasnt been released either.


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    #88
    Potential-Monke
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    landsleaving wrote: »
    Muscled men are usually portrayed in a position of power. Sure the muscles and proportions create an unrealistic image of an idealised man, but they're still portrayed as being dominant and in control of their situation. It's not about the body as a sexual object, but the portrayal of the female form in a position of vulnerability and submission. There's nothing inherently sexist about a woman in a bikini. There is when it's a torso with no distinguishing features other than a pair of breasts.

    It's a sexualised mutilated corpse.

    If they had left out the breasts, there would be an even bigger uproar because people would have said it was some kind of pedophile fetish toy! And i think they deliberately stick out to play on the stereotypical female in a bikini: fake breasts. That's just my opinion though.


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    #89
    deathrider
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    Potential-Monke wrote: »
    If they had left out the breasts, there would be an even bigger uproar because people would have said it was some kind of pedophile fetish toy! And i think they deliberately stick out to play on the stereotypical female in a bikini: fake breasts. That's just my opinion though.

    That's the thing that I just don't get about the situation though. If this had of been a male statue, bare nake chest, all mangled up like this, I don't hink anybody would have beatted an eyelid. I think it's getting a little to easy for folks to jump on their high horse about women in gaming nowadays.

    Truth be told, these are the same guys who produced that, now imfamous, trailer for the first Dead Island, so gunning for controversy is what they are all about. Piss a load of people off, and the name of the game will travel further.


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    #90
    ahnowbrowncow
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    Zillah wrote: »
    Women already endure a really horrific amount of prejudice, abuse and objectification. Trying to compare how women are objectified as sexual objects in society to something as banal as a poster of a boy band shows incredible naivety or serious dishonesty. Go on, ask yourself if men suffer sexual objectification or its consequences to the same extent that women do. You don't need to post your answer, if you're honest then you know the answer is no - so quit the disingenuous comparisons.

    No, this statue isn't going to kill anyone, but it is incredibly crass and lacking in taste. Yes, stuff like this happens in the game, but they're picking out this one example of a woman reduced to a pair of bulging and bloodied breasts and literally putting it on a pedestal. It's pathetic, and part of a very pathetic, lowest-common-denominator mindset. I can't believe there are people coming out to white-knight this stupid shit. Yeah I'm sure they just chose an image that they felt represented the game, that just happened to be a dismembered, busty woman wearing almost nothing. Total coincidence. Gaming culture isn't getting a bad reputation for this crap at all.

    I wouldn't demand that they apologise, retract it or anything like that. They have a right to do whatever they want. But I'm going to call it out for the juvenile, misogynistic crap that it is.

    It's juvenile but there's nothing misogynistic about, maybe to the hypersensitive or those who don't understand the meaning of misogyny so get off your high horse.


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    #91
    Kerplunk124
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    People take things way too seriously these days


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