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Western Rail Corridor (all disused sections)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    corktina wrote: »
    hmm...theres no point downsizing the network if the whole company isn'y
    going to be similarly trimmed I agree.

    One thing is for sure he isn't going to sign off on investing in another sure fire money loser is he.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Manulla - Ballina under threat, is it??? Hmmm.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    Manulla - Ballina under threat, is it??? Hmmm.
    unlikely, all though nothing would surprise me, anything could happen in the name of saving the sacred western fail rail

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    dowlingm wrote: »
    Tuam-Athenry-Galway would have caused platform occupancy issues and given the location of the overbridge east of the station there's nowhere to notch in a bay. Add the single track section west of Athenry and only two usable platforms in Ceannt and that's the ball game.

    It would have caused fewer occupancy issues than Limerick-Athenry-Galway as the Tuam line enters Athenry from the Dublin end of the station, meaning no reversal would be necessary.

    In addition, the capacity issues could be resolved through the addition of a couple of passing loops. The price would still end up cheaper than what was actually opened.

    Journey times would be surprisingly competitive due to the condition of the road between Galway and Tuam. If the service ran express from Athenry to Tuam then it might even be a bit quicker than driving even at off-peak times.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭LivelineDipso


    Tuam-Galway as phase one would of provided a workable approach once Oranmore was opened.

    It was the most likely start to not have ended in total failure. The only disaster would of been WOT demanding every long dead station between Tuam and Athenry to be also opened. A run from Tuam to Athenry is a fast straight route with no LCs. Perfect for commuter.

    However, I recently saw a WoT working report with a picture of a rail car with KNOCK on the destination board to underpin that the WRC crusade was a coagulation of various village idiots from the start.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    Grandeeod wrote: »
    You ignored it. Have another go because in my opinion you are starting to sound like a troll offering up some dangerous bait. How many decent posters have got the boot from here by reacting to such nonsense.


    Funny, I thought that individuals were responsible for their own actions?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭The Idyl Race


    Hungerford wrote: »
    It would have caused fewer occupancy issues than Limerick-Athenry-Galway as the Tuam line enters Athenry from the Dublin end of the station, meaning no reversal would be necessary.

    In addition, the capacity issues could be resolved through the addition of a couple of passing loops. The price would still end up cheaper than what was actually opened.

    Journey times would be surprisingly competitive due to the condition of the road between Galway and Tuam. If the service ran express from Athenry to Tuam then it might even be a bit quicker than driving even at off-peak times.

    North of Athenry isn't going to happen on Leo's watch, but fear not, you'll be able to feast on the demise of the Ballina branch and the South Tipperary Line, with the death of a thousand cuts for the rest of the network. If things keep going the way they are, the regulars here should be happy out before too long, and we'll have 071 whizzing around a circular track somewhere near Mallow as the only bit of railway outside bits of Dublin, if that.

    Perhaps they should sell trainsets that you destroy gradually, piece by piece for the Irish market. It should sell well. Made especially for the children of the already comfortable. Perhaps it should be combined with a board game, where players are landowners, politicians and car dealers, hoping to turn money on the thing. Kind of an Irish Monopoly. Be careful with the hot tarmac though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    "Careful with that axe, Eugene"



  • Registered Users Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    Hungerford wrote: »
    It would have caused fewer occupancy issues than Limerick-Athenry-Galway as the Tuam line enters Athenry from the Dublin end of the station, meaning no reversal would be necessary.

    In addition, the capacity issues could be resolved through the addition of a couple of passing loops. The price would still end up cheaper than what was actually opened.

    Journey times would be surprisingly competitive due to the condition of the road between Galway and Tuam. If the service ran express from Athenry to Tuam then it might even be a bit quicker than driving even at off-peak times.
    My point there was simply that if existing services were not to be hobbled then significant capital expense would be required on the existing lines. One possibility might be to notch in a bay on the Limerick side for services to terminate where trains to Ennis were extended north to connect to Galway bound services, leaving the mainline free for Tuam trains - but such expenditure should properly be accounted as an expense for the Tuam reopening rather than sleeveen sharp practice reallocating it to Limerick or elsewhere.

    As for travel time, the line would have to be fast given that once again the line does not travel on the most direct route but an L shape via Athenry. The problem is that most of the feasibility of Galway rail service is centred on Galway's road system remaining crap with the ring road incomplete and consequent congestion, and that's not good for Galway's economy as a whole.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    North of Athenry isn't going to happen on Leo's watch, but fear not, you'll be able to feast on the demise of the Ballina branch and the South Tipperary Line, with the death of a thousand cuts for the rest of the network. If things keep going the way they are, the regulars here should be happy out before too long, and we'll have 071 whizzing around a circular track somewhere near Mallow as the only bit of railway outside bits of Dublin, if that.

    Perhaps they should sell trainsets that you destroy gradually, piece by piece for the Irish market. It should sell well. Made especially for the children of the already comfortable. Perhaps it should be combined with a board game, where players are landowners, politicians and car dealers, hoping to turn money on the thing. Kind of an Irish Monopoly. Be careful with the hot tarmac though.

    strange attitude - there is no advocating closure of lines - merely not wasting money on sure fire losers that will drain resources further.

    The money spent on the southern branch line WRC would have been more beneficial for the west (and indeed Irish Rail) had it been spent on double tracking Galway Athlone - for instance. Money better spent in many peoples view and would have helped Galway - Dublin compete with the motorway.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 912 ✭✭✭Hungerford


    North of Athenry isn't going to happen on Leo's watch, but fear not, you'll be able to feast on the demise of the Ballina branch and the South Tipperary Line, with the death of a thousand cuts for the rest of the network.

    You obviously didn't read my post. I was suggesting that the wrong part of the WRC was opened up. Obviously, the line to Tuam can't be opened now because the miserable failure of Ennis-Athenry has undermined the argument for opening even the most sensible element of the project.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Hungerford wrote: »
    You obviously didn't read my post. I was suggesting that the wrong part of the WRC was opened up. Obviously, the line to Tuam can't be opened now because the miserable failure of Ennis-Athenry has undermined the argument for opening even the most sensible element of the project.

    Plus on the wider picture the announcement a few months back that the N18/17 extension from North of Gort to North of Tuam was one of the few projects that will happen, was let's face it the real statement of intent about the WRC northern branch line. Once this project is completed or even started the statement by Varadkar in yesterdays Irish Times is merely saying - lads forget it we are going to give you what people actually want a good safe fast road - upon which you will see express bus services providing a good efficient service. Once this new road is in place the WRC is as dead as the proverbial parrot. This is the reality of the situation which West on Track are finding hard to stomach. Greenway or not - the road means the end of the line for the northern branch line dream of the WRC.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,027 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    westtip wrote: »
    a good safe fast road - upon which you will see express bus services providing a good efficient service.
    at speeds from the dark ages. but again if phazes 2 and 3 which would be also traveling at dark age speeds not going ahead means no more lines with more potential being sacrificed to open them then fair enough.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    http://www.galwaynews.ie/29394-funding-western-rail-corridor-be-reviewed-post-2016

    Thread could run a while yet.
    Deputy O' Mahony told West On Track that the position is that within the current Capital Investment Programme to 2016, funds are not provided to extend the line further.

    However, it will be reviewed again when the post-2016 programme is being drawn up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    at speeds from the dark ages. but again if phazes 2 and 3 which would be also traveling at dark age speeds not going ahead means no more lines with more potential being sacrificed to open them then fair enough.
    What speeds do you see wrc trains travelling at with all those road and accommodation level crossings as well as the prehistoric alignment? Buses are already much faster than the train on the best fastest section of the western fail corridor.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    Letter in Irish Times today re Varadkar statement that the ~WRC north of Tuam is not about to happen.
    Sir, – For the first time, an Irish Minister has had the courage to make a definitive statement on the western rail corridor. Minister for Transport Leo Varadkar told Frank McDonald (Home News, December 17th)that it is “not even going to be extended to Tuam”.

    Now that the Government position has finally become clear, maybe politicians in Connacht will find the courage to tell the pro-rail lobbyists the trains aren’t coming any time soon? Political pandering to the pro-rail contingent had prevented the route being used for regional development as a tourism and leisure corridor and as a route for high-speed broadband infrastructure, all of which would bring hundreds of jobs to the north west.

    In addition, a greenway-type trail on the old trackbed would preserve the route for future generations in case a rail project ever becomes viable. The alternative, allowing the route to be lost piecemeal to public ownership by adverse possession, is not good governance.

    Now that Mr Varadkar has “told it like it is”, hopefully Minister Ring and an Taoiseach will find it easier to do the same, and we can all move on with making this asset work for the people of Ireland. – Yours, etc,

    JOHN MULLIGAN,
    Kiltycreighton,
    Boyle, Co Roscommon.

    here here.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    westtip wrote: »
    Letter in Irish Times today re Varadkar statement that the ~WRC north of Tuam is not about to happen.



    here here.

    The same John Mulligan who made a presentation to Roscommon County Council in February asking them to endorse the destruction of the WRC in favour of a walking trail. They sent him on his way :D
    Members thanked Mr. Mulligan for his very informative Presentation and the following issues
    were raised:-
    • Regret that Mr. Mulligan is unaware of the restoration of the O’Sullivan Beara Walk.
    • The recently published Government commissioned AECOM/Goodbody Strategic Rail Investments Needs Review indicated that the Athenry/Tuam line on the Western Rail Corridor merits further consideration. The Report also finds that recent developments in rail freight have indicated that opportunities continue to arise for the carriage of bulk materials and unit load traffics, where relatively long distances and port orientated traffics are involved. The
    Western Rail corridor is therefore unsuitable as a trail.

    Source: http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/Services/Corporateservices/Council_Meeting_Minutes/Monthly_Meeting_Minutes/2012/Council_Meeting_Minutes_27_2_2012.pdf


  • Registered Users Posts: 123 ✭✭black47


    sligotrain wrote: »
    The same John Mulligan who made a presentation to Roscommon County Council in February asking them to endorse the destruction of the WRC in favour of a walking trail. They sent him on his way :D



    Source: http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/Services/Corporateservices/Council_Meeting_Minutes/Monthly_Meeting_Minutes/2012/Council_Meeting_Minutes_27_2_2012.pdf

    I have to say that as an occasional visitor to this forum I was fairly unaware of the freight angle. Does this have merit interms of connecting areas like Tuam into the mainline grid allowing connection to Dublin and Waterford ports I wonder? would this be an attraction for larger companies to locate in North Galway and use such a service?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    No hope of that ever happening.

    Tuam-Athenry is now officially a never going to happen dead duck.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    black47 wrote: »
    I have to say that as an occasional visitor to this forum I was fairly unaware of the freight angle. Does this have merit interms of connecting areas like Tuam into the mainline grid allowing connection to Dublin and Waterford ports I wonder? would this be an attraction for larger companies to locate in North Galway and use such a service?

    NO in all respects


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    sligotrain wrote: »
    The same John Mulligan who made a presentation to Roscommon County Council in February asking them to endorse the destruction of the WRC in favour of a walking trail. They sent him on his way :D

    The Beara Breifne way is really a HIKING route not a "walking trail". It is impassable to cycling over much of its length and not amenable to walkers.

    A greenway is a combined HIKING WALKING and CYCLING route...a different animal altogether. But don''t let the facts get in the way :)

    Nor is the O Sullivan route complete, especially in Roscommon. I'd say the county manager was well happy when the councillors went for that presentation somehow.

    http://www.heritagecouncil.ie/landscape/initiatives/the-beara-breifne-way/

    Click here for schematic route map [PDF 437KB].
    For detailed maps of the route go to www.irishtrails.ie (sections not covered include Sli Muscraí, Ormonde Way, Lung Way).
    Completed sections of the route as of 2012 (starting in Cork)
    West Cork: Beara Way www.bearatourism.com
    West Cork: Slí Gaeltacht Mhuscraí www.sligaeltachtmuscrai.com
    North Cork: Duhallow Area
    Limerick: Ballyhoura Way
    South Tipperary: Multeen Way www.multeentourism.com
    Galway: Hymany Way www.bearatourism.com
    Galway/ Roscommon: Suck Valley Way
    Roscommon: Minors Way & Historical Trail
    Cavan: Cavan Way
    Sections of the route to be completed in 2012/13 or upgraded

    North Tipperary: Ormonde Way (to be developed)
    Roscommon: Lung Way (to be developed)
    Leitrim: Leitrim way (to be upgraded)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 148 ✭✭sligotrain


    corktina wrote: »
    NO in all respects

    Yes in all respects. Shifting much of our long distance road freight traffic onto rail would allow for greater economies of scale. However it would seem that the current IE management don't see it that way.

    The forthcoming split of IE into Infrastructure and Operational companies may help advance the cause of rail freight but nothing will develop until companies independent of IE take an interest in providing new freight services. IWT could for instance run their Ballina-North Wall service directly rather than via IE.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭LivelineDipso


    What advantage would Tuam have as for being a railfrieght depot any more than say Ardee?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,733 ✭✭✭✭corktina


    What advantage would Tuam have as for being a railfrieght depot any more than say Ardee?

    or Athenry..?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 510 ✭✭✭LivelineDipso


    The chance to get a train to Tuam was lost forever when it was not Phase 1 of the WRC.



    The question is now what to do with the Ennis-Athenry dead duck rather than creating more dead ducks.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,373 ✭✭✭✭foggy_lad


    sligotrain wrote: »
    Yes in all respects. Shifting much of our long distance road freight traffic onto rail would allow for greater economies of scale. However it would seem that the current IE management don't see it that way.

    The forthcoming split of IE into Infrastructure and Operational companies may help advance the cause of rail freight but nothing will develop until companies independent of IE take an interest in providing new freight services. IWT could for instance run their Ballina-North Wall service directly rather than via IE.

    Are you going to hi-jack the lorries at gunpoint and force the drivers to unload the goods into rail wagons? companies don't want rail because of the Extra expense the unreliable nature of the national railway company(C.I.E.) and the extra time required. And I seriously doubt that the few containers a week that IWT send to Dublin will be driving them into the rail-freight business!


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,326 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    IE railfreight wasn't profitable, now it is. It is profitable because IE shifted risk from itself to freight forwarders and concentrated on trainload movements rather than bits and pieces here and there. Also, the removal from service of the wheeled wagons and the 181s means freight can only expand to the point where the existing bogie stock and unplundered 201s/071s can handle it. Therefore, any new freight flow, not just on the WRC, has to clear several hurdles:

    1. Would it need substantial track investment. Tuam (taking that example) would as they are currently disconnected with a relay (at least) required on the alignment, plus fleet flexibility would favour an alignment able to take the weight of a 201.
    2. How much cargo handling track or equipment would be required. At least Dublin Port pays for their spur tracks etc. Who pays in Tuam, even for a minimalist operation as at Ballina?
    3. Would its (max) 50mph path or required reversals impede current well patronised operations (Tuam-North Wall) or require extra staff hours on manual level crossings (Tuam-Limerick Junction-Waterford).
    4. Would the containers be 9'6" and where the alignment cannot be cleared for them would the use of pockets reduce train length below profitable levels.
    4. Is there sufficient stock and motive power to make it happen without undue refurbishment or acquisition cost?
    5. Is there an organisation willing to provide IE with a contracted income regardless of whether a trainload is ready on a given day?

    I know, I know, naysaying.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,282 ✭✭✭westtip


    sligotrain wrote: »
    The same John Mulligan who made a presentation to Roscommon County Council in February asking them to endorse the destruction of the WRC in favour of a walking trail. They sent him on his way :D



    Source: http://www.roscommoncoco.ie/en/Services/Corporateservices/Council_Meeting_Minutes/Monthly_Meeting_Minutes/2012/Council_Meeting_Minutes_27_2_2012.pdf

    Because the councillors who philibustered john in roscommon CC are afraid their cosy position on the Western Inter county railway committee talking about nothing but claiming expenses for pointless meetings every month was being challenged.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Bugger me, 4 or more Galway County councillors are members of this "Western Inter county railway committee" . How much does that cost us every year ???? Galway City Council nominates 2 members.

    Been around for 34 Years and keeps giving of the expenses. :D

    www.bmwassembly.ie/media/articles/TuamHerald_5Aug2010.pdf
    In 1979 the Western Inter County Rail Committee ( or Western Inter-County inetrchangeably)
    was set up made up of County Councillors
    from Galway, Mayo, Sligo and Roscommon
    and Leitrim.
    They requested Dr Micheal
    MacGreil, SJ, of the Department of Social
    Studies at St. Patrick's College, Maynooth to conduct a study.
    In his report Dr McGreil listed 19 reasons
    for the re-opening of the line, Limerick to Collooney
    in Sligo. The Western Inter County
    Rail Committee now had people like sociologist
    Dr McGreil and Frank Dawson, son of
    Hugh Dawson who drove the last train from
    Tuam, an expert on trains and transport who
    was then Assistant County Development Officer
    in Galway and is today County Manager in
    Roscommon.

    The Western Inter County Rail Committee
    with cross party conviction in the merits of reopening
    of the Western Rail Corridor were
    now a strong lobby group.
    Some special trains ran from Tuam and I
    remember going on a special from Tuam to
    the All-Ireland hurling final in 1981 between
    Galway and Offaly.
    In May 1986 a concert was held in Tuam Stadium
    and the headline act was Country and
    Western star Boxcar Willie on the invitation
    of the Inter County Rail Committee
    and other
    Community groups to coincide with the running
    of a restored steam train from Tuam.
    Boxcar Willie advised everyone concerned
    to make sure that the track was not taken up

    as it would be the death of the WRC, and this
    proved to be excellent advice.
    The late Minister for Transport Seamus
    Brennan cried stop to CIE on two different
    occasions, first when he tore up a bill for tens
    of thousands of pounds served on Dr McGreil
    by CIE after the Western Inter County Railway
    Committee succeeded in persuading the
    Minister not to allow CIE to formally abandon
    the railway from Claremorris to Collooney in
    1986.
    Secondly Minister Brennan rejected recommendations
    of the Strategic Rail Review by
    Consultants Booz Allen Hamilton for larnrod
    Eireann on April 3, 2003, where they suggested
    the cost of re-opening the WRC would be as
    high as £572 m. This was a defining moment,
    when a Minister rejected a consultants'
    report, and expressed confidence in the cross
    party Western Inter County Railway Committee
    and other Community Groups like the
    then recently formed West on Track group
    made up of Chamber of Commerce and community
    activists.
    Minister Brennan established an expert
    working group under the chairmanship of Pat
    McCann in 2004 to further assess the Western
    Rail Corridor. This Committee made recommendations
    based on four separate studies,
    Land Use chaired by Des Mahon, Mayo
    County Manager, Costs and Benefit, chaired
    by Frank Dawson, Director of Community
    and Enterprise Galway County Council, Rail
    Travel Demand, chaired by Hubert Kearns,
    Sligo County Manager and Funding chaired
    by Gerry Finn, Director of the BMW Regional
    Assembly.
    The McCann report found in favour of the
    reopening of WRC. Its general conclusion was
    that a strong case can be made for the restoration
    of the line. Land use patterns and settlement
    strategies of local authorities along
    the western seaboard were identified, which
    the re-opening of the WRC would greatly
    enhance including the Sligo Gateway, Knock
    International Airport, Knock Shrine as a centre
    for international pilgrimage, large scale
    industrial development including that at
    Oranmore-Athenry, Galway Gateway, Link to
    Shannon Airport, Limerick Gateway.
    Population projections envisaged up to 2020
    predict an increase of almost 300,000 with a
    commuter traffic increase in the region of 75 per cent.
    They concluded that balanced
    regional development and the front loading of
    infrastructure are critical to the development
    of the whole region.
    At the request of the Costs & Benefits sub
    group , larnrod Eireann commissioned international
    consultants Faber Maunsell to undertake
    a line survey and prepare a cost estimate
    for the renewal of the railway. The resultant
    cost estimate of €366 compares favourably
    with that of the subgroups' own estimated figure
    of €310 using 2002 prices. The very
    detailed report includes the cost of totally new
    foundations, concrete sleepers, continuous
    welded rail, electronic signalling, automated
    crossings, new stations, lineside fencing, passing
    loops at stations and renewal of bridges.
    They have costed a modern state of the art
    railway capable of intercity speeds and of
    accommodating complementary commuter
    and freight traffic.

    Section distance capital
    cost (and average cost per mile) is

    Ennis to Athenry 36 miles €74.7 m(€2.1m)
    Athenry to Tuam 15.5 miles €34.7 m(€2.2m),
    Tuam toClaremorris 17 miles €58.9 m(€3.5m),
    Claremorris to Collooney 49 miles €197.4 m(€4.3m).

    The benefits are best described in a non
    conventional economic appraisal summary
    prepared by the group under the direction of
    the Rail Procurement Agency having regard
    for Department of Finance guidelines on cost
    benefit analysis.
    The Demand Sub Group found that the
    WRC will satisfy the needs of people wishing
    to move from commuting by car, as well as
    facilitating long distance travellers moving
    away from cars to trains and feeder buses,
    while facilitating the diversion of certain
    heavy freight movements from road to rail.
    These welcome changes would require the
    WRC to offer a high quality rail service, with
    attractive time tables, preferably clock face:
    flexible fare packages, community and customer
    participation in operations planning
    and integrated travel centres, where bus and
    train interacted seamlessly. The economic justification
    for investment on this route
    includes a number of important wider issues
    that must to be taken into account.
    Social and developmental considerations
    must be considered due to the relative neglect
    of the Western seaboard over a number of
    decades. It was the sub group's view that a
    commitment to significant infrastructural
    investment including rail services within the
    western corridor would have major benefits
    into the future in relation to demographic,
    social, cultural and land use development. The
    long term development of the west requires a
    rail and road network, which are complementary.
    A bi-modal approach similar to that
    existing on the east coast is recommended.
    Research which was undertaken when I
    was Chairman of Galway County Development
    Board indicates that bus and road traffic
    volumes on the Sligo-Claremorris road at present
    generate 2.5 million passenger journeys
    per annum with 3.5 million extra between
    Claremorris and Loughgeorge and a further 6
    million between Loughgeorge and Galway,
    representing a pool of 12 million current passenger
    journeys
    from which to draw rail passengers.
    Co-incidentally 11 million people
    drive through Claregalway each year
    !
    The railway enjoys about 10 per cent market
    share of traffic annually. Why should the
    railway not expect a similar share of Galway,
    Mayo, Sligo journeys. If the citizens of the
    region took one return trip in the year there
    would be 1.4m urneys. McCann points to the
    demand that has emerged on the new Ennis-
    Limerick train service introduced in 2004,
    which within the first year generated 130,000
    passengers on a 24-mile journey, with a frequent,
    attractively priced service using new
    trains. As stated in the Strategic Rail Review:
    "It is clear that additional rail capacity, when
    provided, has been more than matched by
    demand.
    The sub group reported that the WRC has
    considerable freight potential. This was
    acknowledged ten years ago when Minister
    Noel Treacy brought about the introduction of
    a daily container train between Mayo and
    Waterford.
    In a submission to the group, Mayo industries
    advised that they alone produce 11,000
    containers annually for export, worth €3 billion.
    This includes 30 per cent of the world's
    Coca Cola concentrate produced in Ballina.
    This cargo goes by rail through the Greater
    Dublin Area en route to Waterford Port.
    Mayo industries have expressed a deep felt
    interest in using the rail service and the WRC
    would provide the most direct route. There is
    an existing daily freight train between Mayo
    and Waterford ideally more suited to the WRC
    than the current routing which takes up to
    twelve trains each week through the greater
    Dublin Area. Each of these, carrying containers
    for export and pulpwood for Coillte,
    removes 18 articulated lorries from our roads.
    Many companies in Tuam, Claremorris and in
    several other centres have expressed interest
    in using the rail service to ship products and
    import raw material and other goods. Road
    Engineers state that an articulated lorry fully
    loaded to capacity can do up to 10,000 times
    more damage annually to roads than the average
    car.
    Funding the Western Rail Corridor only
    represents less than 1/2 of 1 per cent of the Budget of Transport 21. Yes 0.049 per cent! It is difficult to understand why Conor McCarthy
    of An Bord Snip Nua tried to suggest that no
    further work should be done on the Western
    Rail Corrido the hext phase being, Athenry to Tuam
    remains part of the Programme for Government.
    This commitment has'beeh firmed up
    on three separate meetings I had with Transport
    Minister Noel Dempsey in recent months.
    The most recent meeting was attended by Dr Micheal MacGreil, Secretary of Western Inter
    County Rail committee, Cllr Michael McGreal
    from Roscommon County Council (Chairman),
    myself Cllr Michael Connolly (Vice
    Chairman), Michael Kitt TD, Cllr Damien
    Ryan, Mayo and Cllr Michael Fleming, Sligo.
    Minister Dempsey was accompanied by
    Anne Marie Smith from his Department when
    he told us that the Luas and Metro were now a
    five to six year programme, instead of three
    years. The Minister explained this delay
    would release funding for projects like the
    Western Rail Corridor, phase two from
    Athenry to Tuam and Claremorris.
    This project has only a few critics and they
    are mainly in the Dublin media
    , constantly
    writing articles in the national press trying to
    derail this project which is critical for the
    future development of the West Coast and the
    west in general. Phase 1 Ennis to Athenry officially
    opened on March 29, 2010.
    The Ennis to Athenry section has been completed and open
    to the public since March 30, 2010 and has four
    or five times the passenger numbers projected
    and has surpassed all expectations.
    After the
    first week, the service had to convert from a
    two carriage passenger train to a four carriage
    because of demand. Two extra trains are now
    being introduced on the Galway-Ennis section.
    The Future
    I have great confidence in the future development
    of the Western Rail Corridor. A report
    and costing have recently gone to the Department
    of Transport for the Athenry to Tuam
    link. There is such cross party support for the
    Claremorris-Tuam section that I am very confident
    that it will be completed by 2014.
    Work has already been carried out on the
    Claremorris to Collooney section by CIE
    reviewing fencing, cleaning undergrowth
    from the track and re-opening of drains,
    preparing it for laying new track, under the
    CLAR programme. When the Collooney section
    from Claremorris is open I believe that in
    the future a link to Donegal could be explored
    and a further link to Derry.
    This would have
    the knock on effect of connecting every section
    of the rail network to Tuam with a link to
    every Irish airport, North and South. This
    would have significant economic and tourism
    benefits to the western economy. The Western
    Rail Athenry to Tuam and other Railway
    Companies started out in the age of steam and
    graduated to diesel trains. In the third century
    of rail fossil fuels will become less acceptable
    and less available. The most effective way to
    power public transport will be through a good
    network of electrical rail routes drawing on
    ocean and wind sources, which will be readily
    available on the west coast.
    I will conclude with the resolution passed
    by the Western Inter County Railway Committee
    in July 2005, a committee that I am a
    member of for the past 11 years.
    The McCann
    report was welcomed as a significant and supportive
    document for the re-opening of the
    Western Rail Corridor, from Collooney to
    Ennis which would be a most valuable transport
    infrastructure and would provide concrete
    proof of the State's commitment to balanced
    regional development.


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    black47 wrote: »
    I have to say that as an occasional visitor to this forum I was fairly unaware of the freight angle. Does this have merit interms of connecting areas like Tuam into the mainline grid allowing connection to Dublin and Waterford ports I wonder? would this be an attraction for larger companies to locate in North Galway and use such a service?

    You would think that, but expanding rail frieght won't create traffic flows for motorways that need to be built in order that connected landowners can call in favours from politicians.

    Private road hauliers will be pissed off and private bus companies will also be annoyed because your use of a publically owned asset prolongs its life and means that they cant get a contract moving pensioners twice weekly to the county town from formerly rail connected places.

    So, in Irish terms, rail is a Bad Thing.


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