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Education in Ireland 11th best in world

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  • 27-11-2012 11:51am
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    summerskin
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    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20498356
    The two education superpowers - Finland and South Korea - are followed by three other high-performing Asian education systems - Hong Kong, Japan and Singapore.
    Continue reading the main story EDUCATION TOP 20

    • Finland
    • South Korea
    • Hong Kong
    • Japan
    • Singapore
    • UK
    • Netherlands
    • New Zealand
    • Switzerland
    • Canada
    • Ireland
    • Denmark
    • Australia
    • Poland
    • Germany
    • Belgium
    • USA
    • Hungary
    • Slovakia
    • Russia

    The UK - which is considered as a single system, rather than four devolved administrations - is then ranked at the head of an above-average group including the Netherlands, New Zealand, Canada and Ireland.
    These are ahead of a middle-ranking group including the United States, Germany and France.
    At the lowest end are Mexico, Brazil and Indonesia.
    These comparisons draw upon tests that are taken every three or four years, in areas such as maths, science and literacy - and so present a picture lagging by several years

    Good to see Ireland's education system ranked among the top in the world, in an above-average group with the UK, Netherlands new Zealand and Canada, and above countries such as the USA, Germany and Australia

    Now if only the education system everywhere was similar to that in Finland, the finest in the world for a reason.

    Nice to see some positive news.


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    triple-M
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    summerskin wrote: »
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-20498356



    Good to see Ireland's education system ranked among the top in the world, in an above-average group with the UK, Netherlands new Zealand and Canada, and above countries such as the USA, Germany and Australia

    Now if only the education system everywhere was similar to that in Finland, the finest in the world for a reason.

    Nice to see some positive news.

    sorry whats the reason for finland being on top?just curious


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    Sauve
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    triple-M wrote: »

    sorry whats the reason for finland being on top?just curious

    Cos theyre the best maybe?
    Its generally how these things work..


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    summerskin
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    triple-M wrote: »
    sorry whats the reason for finland being on top?just curious

    just do a google search for the Finnish education system, read the results and it becomes obvious.


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    seamus
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    triple-M wrote: »
    sorry whats the reason for finland being on top?just curious
    Back in the 70s or 80s, they tore the entire system apart and restarted. Finnish teachers have masters degrees at a minimum, but it's far more complicated than that. As said, have a quick google for it and you'll get the full story.


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    John Doe1
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    the fcuck it is:p


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    professore
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    Pffft - who put that survey together? For example, how can the UK be ahead of Germany, who produce clearly better people for their more successful economy? The UK has a terrible education system - maybe at 3rd level Oxbridge it's good but it's not good for the vast majority.

    These things are highly subjective. I prefer to ask the MNC's here - the dearth of people with language skills is a testament to the failure of that aspect at least. My daughter asked her French teacher recently how to pronounce a particular word and the answer was "it doesn't matter for the Junior Cert." FFS !


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    BillyMitchel
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    I've worked in the Korean school system and I can see why they are right up there. The whole system was just spot on. Poor kids started at about 7 though and probably wouldn't finish till 9 at night. I know teachers here who couldn't tell you where Korea is!


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    LivelineDipso
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    Never believe these surveys. They are completely made up when you look into them.


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    Duckworth_Luas
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    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    I know teachers here who couldn't tell you where Korea is!
    Or even which Korea is the best Korea!


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    CardBordWindow
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    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78081433
    Conclusive proof that the survey is bull! :pac:


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    donvito99
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    We shouldn't be satisfied with 11th in the world, IMO.

    Also, the UK has an abysmal education system if you ask me.


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    OneArt
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    The USA is higher than Russia?

    REALLY?


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    summerskin
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    professore wrote: »
    Pffft - who put that survey together? For example, how can the UK be ahead of Germany, who produce clearly better people for their more successful economy? The UK has a terrible education system - maybe at 3rd level Oxbridge it's good but it's not good for the vast majority.

    These things are highly subjective. I prefer to ask the MNC's here - the dearth of people with language skills is a testament to the failure of that aspect at least. My daughter asked her French teacher recently how to pronounce a particular word and the answer was "it doesn't matter for the Junior Cert." FFS !

    I take it you never went to school in the UK? Sure, there are some schools that are below par, usually in areas with a poor socio-economic background, but the same can be said of anywhere.

    I went through the UK school system, learned foreign languages from the age of 7, played a wide variety of musical instruments, tried my hand at at least a dozen sports, learned a second foreign language, did my GCSEs, then my A-Levels (which are widely considered to be the equivalent of the first year of a degree course in Ireland, due to the fact that they are the specialised study of three subjects, rather than ten or eleven in the LC), and ultimately went on to gain an Honours degree from one of the top 100 universities in the world.

    All from my home on a council estate in a town blighted by riots and decay. The access to a good education is there for anyone in the UK, it's what you make of it that matters. Same as here.


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    pickarooney
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    I don't really see how the Korean education system is healthy or enviable.


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    summerskin
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    donvito99 wrote: »
    We shouldn't be satisfied with 11th in the world, IMO.

    Also, the UK has an abysmal education system if you ask me.

    please do explain. it may not be the best, but what makes it abysmal?


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    Treehorn
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    My arse.


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    go on the education


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    Wacker The Attacker
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    Treehorn wrote: »
    My arse.

    educate yo ass


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    MagicMarker
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    Im personaly not in the leest bit suprized by this, my edukasion was top noch.


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    Chuck Stone
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    professore wrote: »
    Pffft - who put that survey together? For example, how can the UK be ahead of Germany, who produce clearly better people for their more successful economy?

    Afaia Germany is still pretty big on apprenticeships coupled with plenty of good jobs in manufacturing which would mean less people educated to third level - although probably just as educated all-round.
    Germany

    The German economy ... is a leading exporter of machinery, vehicles, chemicals, and household equipment and benefits from a highly skilled labor force.

    CIA World Factbook
    _________________________________________________________

    United Kingdom

    Services, particularly banking, insurance, and business services, account by far for the largest proportion of GDP while industry continues to decline in importance.

    CIA World Factbook


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    Drakares
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    World standard must be low. Ireland's education system is awful.


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    DamoKen
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    summerskin wrote: »
    I take it you never went to school in the UK? Sure, there are some schools that are below par, usually in areas with a poor socio-economic background, but the same can be said of anywhere.

    I went through the UK school system, learned foreign languages from the age of 7, played a wide variety of musical instruments, tried my hand at at least a dozen sports, learned a second foreign language, did my GCSEs, then my A-Levels (which are widely considered to be the equivalent of the first year of a degree course in Ireland, due to the fact that they are the specialised study of three subjects, rather than ten or eleven in the LC), and ultimately went on to gain an Honours degree from one of the top 100 universities in the world.

    All from my home on a council estate in a town blighted by riots and decay. The access to a good education is there for anyone in the UK, it's what you make of it that matters. Same as here.

    Ditto, girlfriend is from up North and all the above applies to her. The level of support for music in particular is phenomenal. What public school in the Rep would supply books let alone musical instruments to students? She learnt to play the cello to a degree where she toured with an orchestra, the cello was supplied by the school and was worth 1000's. On top of that she also by the time she did her A levels was a grade 7 on piano, all in a publicly funded school, and although always exceptional to me, was in no way an exception to the rule :)


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    Skid
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    The most recent PISA tables (ranking Maths skills in OECD Countries) tell a very different story


    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/analysis/students-ignorance-of-basic-maths-is-sum-of-all-our-fears-2457748.html
    LAST week Ireland's educational image took another battering in the Performance International Student Assessment (PISA) 2009, a three-yearly global league table from the OECD. Ireland's scores in maths dipped since the last survey, from 16th to 25th among the 34 OECD countries.


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    Chuck Stone
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    summerskin wrote: »
    A-Levels (which are widely considered to be the equivalent of the first year of a degree course in Ireland)

    Absolute bollocks.

    How many A-levels do you need for uni in the UK? 2/3?

    Here a student does the equivalent of 6/7 A-levels to enter uni.

    Also, many students who don't make it into uni here go to England where their points more than suffice for the equivalent degree.


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    summerskin
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Absolute bollocks.

    How many A-levels do you need for uni in the UK? 2/3?

    Here a student does the equivalent of 6/7 A-levels to enter uni.

    Also, many students who don't make it into uni here go to England where their points more than suffice for the equivalent degree.


    So how come when my wife was going to go back to Uni over here to study Economics she was told that she would not need to do the first year, as her A level was the equivalent of the first year's study? Also how come in my A level french and german we worked to a far higher level than my cousin from Ireland? He was closer to GCSE level than A level.

    I'm not saying that A levels are perfect, I'd prefer a system more like the Baccalaureate. What they do, however, is prepare you to study a specialised subject over a period, to prepare you for a similar study pattern at university, something the LC does not do.

    Regarding the points in bold:
    LC subjects are studied in nowhere near the depth that A levels are.

    As for point two, there are many many more universities in England, some of which accept lower standards (usually the ones which used to be polytechnics). The UK has far better universities than Ireland, so your point that if you fail to get in one here you can walk into one there is total shíte.


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    Kolido
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    BillyMitchel wrote: »
    I've worked in the Korean school system and I can see why they are right up there. The whole system was just spot on. Poor kids started at about 7 though and probably wouldn't finish till 9 at night. I know teachers here who couldn't tell you where Korea is!


    Are they at school for 2 or 14 hours?

    If its there latter I'm glad I didnt grow up there. Can't be healthy spending half your day at school, some people have a life.


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    seven_eleven
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    Kolido wrote: »
    Are they at school for 2 or 14 hours?

    If its there latter I'm glad I didnt grow up there. Can't be healthy spending half your day at school, some people have a life.


    It's the latter. I dont know about Korea but in Japan its very similar, where the workload is so high you're in school all hours, and have so much to know and do. If you dont perform up to the top standard you're not going to get into any decent colleges which really screws your future over for life. Suicide rate is extremely high due to the immense stress levels over there.


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    Ziphius
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    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    Absolute bollocks.

    How many A-levels do you need for uni in the UK? 2/3?

    Here a student does the equivalent of 6/7 A-levels to enter uni.

    Also, many students who don't make it into uni here go to England where their points more than suffice for the equivalent degree.

    A Levels are worth more CAO points than leaving certificate subjects. For example A* is A level is 150 points while A1 in LC is 100 points. More details here:
    https://myucd.ucd.ie/programme_info/alevel.ezc


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    Andy!!
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    Woohoo Im awesome, Im a teacher in Korea :D


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    Andy!!
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    Sauve wrote: »
    Cos theyre the best maybe?
    Its generally how these things work..

    So witty, you must have come through the Irish system!

    :pac:
    pickarooney wrote: »
    I don't really see how the Korean education system is healthy or enviable.

    I really don't see anyone claiming that it is. (????)


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