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  • 24-11-2012 11:55pm
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    danslevent
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    Why do children take the male's surname? Friends and I have discussed this and it seems more prehistorical conceptions that children take the fathers second name. Why not the woman's? We carry the children for nine months surely there should be a fifty fifty choice of second names. My friend argued "my legacy will die out" what about the woman's? It seems rediculous now that woman take men's second names. I would live I hear the arguments pro and against, always love getting my opinion changed!


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    galwayrush
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    Some kids do take their mother's name, others use both.


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    danslevent
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    galwayrush wrote: »
    Some kids do take their mother's name, others use both.
    Even when they use sometimes the both names the males just overtakes and it becomes that. Not saying all, but most I have encountered


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    franktheplank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭franktheplank


    My two cents. It just has to be one or the other. Double barrel names are ridiculous. What happens when people with double barrel names have kids?


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    danslevent
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    franktheplank wrote: »
    My two cents. It just has to be one or the other. Double barrel names are ridiculous. What happens when people with double barrel names have kids?
    Exactly, it just becomes the males.


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    Ghost Train
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    Wouldn't there also be the question, why do some women take their husbands surname


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    frozenfrozen
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    I don't care what name your child takes so you fight it out with your male partner who insists otherwise. It's such a trivial thing, who cares?


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    Witcher
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    Summary of thread so far;

    Fcuk men


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    cuana
    Registered Users Posts: 304 ✭✭cuana


    I assume its a personal choice!! though for example I do know of a woman with three kids, they all have different fathers she's chosen to use the surnames of there father IMO I think this is fcuked up & completely unfair on the kids talk about confusion


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    franktheplank
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭franktheplank


    Maybe we should scrap surnames and just use some form of registration ID that's derived from mommy's and daddy's IDs.

    That would be kool, like a car reg?


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    danslevent
    Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    Ghost Train wrote: »
    Wouldn't there also be the question, why do some women take their husbands surname
    Yeah, I wonder. I would find it so weird changing the signature I so labously scrawled everywere during my youth :D


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    Stained Class
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    danslevent wrote: »
    Why do children take the male's surname? Friends and I have discussed this and it seems more prehistorical conceptions that children take the fathers second name. Why not the woman's? We carry the children for nine months surely there should be a fifty fifty choice of second names. My friend argued "my legacy will die out" what about the woman's? It seems rediculous now that woman take men's second names. I would live I hear the arguments pro and against, always love getting my opinion changed!

    Well, it's a rule, isn't it?

    My wife took my surname & we have kids now.

    So far it's daughters only.

    I spose they might get married sometime & take on a diffrent surname.

    But hey, what's in a name anyway?

    I'm happy that some part of me will probably survive when I'm gone.

    My take on it.


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    Aoifey!
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    I think when I have a child I'll use both and let the child decide if they want to keep both or one or the other when they get a bit older. Seems the fairest way and that way my name has a fighting chance at survival.


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    JohnMarston
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    i've met at least three married couples in the past three years through my former job, who have retained separate surnames. One of them had two girls who had the wifes surname.

    As well as that, in the many divorces i've seen where the children live with the mother, the children take her surname after she changes back to her maiden name

    So the rule that the wife and children take the husbands surname is not set in stone, its just the default


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    Stained Class
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    galwayrush wrote: »
    Some kids do take their mother's name, others use both.

    Those double-barrelled surnames sound so wrong here.

    Imagine being called Paddy O Neill-Gilhooley or summat.


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    danslevent
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    Aoifey! wrote: »
    I think when I have a child I'll use both and let the child decide if they want to keep both or one or the other when they get a bit older. Seems the fairest way and that way my name has a fighting chance at survival.
    Definitely want my child to use both and choose. Have a secrete celebrity when they use my name but still :P


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    KKkitty
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    Blay wrote: »
    Summary of thread so far;

    Fcuk men
    That's what gets women pregnant in the first place :D


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    danslevent
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    danslevent wrote: »
    Definitely want my child to use both and choose. Have a secrete celebrity when they use my name but still :P
    Celebration*


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    danslevent
    Registered Users Posts: 893 ✭✭✭danslevent


    danslevent wrote: »
    Celebration*
    You're so cool.


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    Rynox45
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    I think in order to preserve names it'd have to be one or the other in all cases, otherwise you'd end up with people choosing the names which sound nicest somewhere down the line.


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    danslevent
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    Rynox45 wrote: »
    I think in order to preserve names it'd have to be one or the other in all cases, otherwise you'd end up with people choosing the names which sound nicest somewhere down the line.
    Why not choose the best sounding? It's not like we are royalty anymore. Names means very little


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    irishgirl19
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    When I was born I was under my mothers name.apparently my dad didn't take to it so well but my mam said feck ya until were married and I take on your name she(me) won't take it either.


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    Israel_Dagg
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    There's no law that you have to take the mans name.


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    Rynox45
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    danslevent wrote: »
    Why not choose the best sounding? It's not like we are royalty anymore. Names means very little

    On the other hand, what if you like your name but it's not a pretty one? Some names have legacy behind them too. It's unfortunate there's not an analogue from religion to names, you can't let your child go nameless until they're old enough to decide.


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    danslevent
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    irishgirl19 wrote: »
    When I was born I was under my mothers name.apparently my dad didn't take to it so well but my mam said feck ya until were married and I take on your name she(me) won't take it either.
    Yeah I just find it weird how in Ireland dads have so little rights but yet the surname is so strong. So hypocritical


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    Tasden
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    I gave my child her dads surname because we weren't married and I felt it would be nice to give them that official link for want of a better word and then if we did get married and I took his name we would all have the same name.

    Regret it a lot now for the reason someone gave earlier- the relationship broke down and now if I go on to have more children they will have a different surname.


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    michellie
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    My daughter has her father's surname (my boyfriend of 6 years) . No big deal, if we get married ill take on his surname too. Not interested in the double barrel thing either.


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    [Deleted User]
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    My missus came from an all girl family and she ( & her sister) was determined that the family name would survive , so she created a double barrel name for herself.

    The kids have my name though, she didn't want to load a double barrel name onto them.

    One of her sisters insisted that her kids had the double barrel name, as they grew up they both dropped it, and just use their fathers surname (probably pisses her off!


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    #29
    danslevent
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    The double barrel just don't work after a certain age


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    leaveiton
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    Was just wondering this myself earlier. I've a couple of friends whose mothers would have been adamant that they kept their own name when they got married, yet they themselves have their father's surname. Anytime I've encountered anyone like this, that's been the case.


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    [Deleted User]
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    danslevent wrote: »
    The double barrel just don't work after a certain age

    As long as you're not firing blanks before then! :pac:


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