Pubs in Galway closing at 1am

Wompa1 · 15-09-2012 3:17am

Nal wrote: »

I live in Cill Ard, there was a house party where the guards were called this week. Yes, I am a student. Are you? Never once last year was I at a after party after the night out. Club closed at 2.30am, was in bed for 3am.

This year, the club closes at 1am, back at the house for 1.30am and people are still up for more drinks/listening to music because as far as they're concerned the night isn't over. Every night I've been out this year, I haven't gone to bed before 5am.

Where as? Are you saying last year or the year before people would stay out until 2:30 and just go home? That's BS. It was the exact same "OMG, I have half a bottle of vodka left over at the house, why don't we all get a taxi back to mine LOL"

The GMIT started a neighbourhood patrol before the change in closing time due to disturbances in the area. Last year according to a Galway City councillor he was contacted by multiple families living in the Newcastle area who had said the late night disturbances were worse than they had ever been.

I am not a student. I graduated in 2007. I left Galway in March 2012 after living there for most of my life. When I was a student there were plenty of house parties after the nightclubs and sh!t and the bars and clubs were open later. The suggestion it's much worse now because of one hour sounds like total crap.

2 years ago people were saying students were having more house parties because the recession meant they couldn't afford pubs and clubs

Even longer before that it was because smoking was banned.

I suspect all of this is the usually initial outrage bundled with a load of crap.

And I'm one of the people who thinks the pubs should be allowed to stay open later. But I think this argument about increased house parties is the same old BS that's been claimed before and it's ****e

ethernet · 15-09-2012 11:12am

Wompa1 wrote: »

The one's that do get the grants and go to NUIG don't have their attendance monitored which is meant to be a requirement to receive the grant.

It's not a primary school. There is no hand-holding. Lots of other universities also do not take attendance for the purpose of payment of the grant. There are more important things to do. In a handful of modules, however, attendance is recorded - laboratory sessions in particular.

Also as long as they study for 2 weeks before the exams they'll pass because the courses they study are p1ss poor and don't prepare students for the working world and impact on our economy because it means we produce poor quality workers

Riiiiiiiight. Not all students study Arts, you know

For those eternally whinging about their precious taxes subsiding third-level education in this country, go have a read of this. Irish graduates make quite the return on the investment.

Getting back on topic: yeah, earlier closing times, nanny state, bad buzz, etc.

Sponge Bob · 15-09-2012 8:55pm

JustMary wrote: »

my taxes

Used to hear that BS about my taxes when I was in college too. My standard response was '"Of course I pay tax, I drink don't I"

Wompa1 · 15-09-2012 9:03pm

ethernet wrote: »

It's not a primary school. There is no hand-holding. Lots of other universities also do not take attendance for the purpose of payment of the grant. There are more important things to do. In a handful of modules, however, attendance is recorded - laboratory sessions in particular.

Riiiiiiiight. Not all students study Arts, you know

For those eternally whinging about their precious taxes subsiding third-level education in this country, go have a read of this. Irish graduates make quite the return on the investment.

Getting back on topic: yeah, earlier closing times, nanny state, bad buzz, etc.

If only that comment about 2 weeks study didn't just apply to Arts. The quality of the courses and management in the University are a joke.

Also what's with the ranking thing?. Last year NUIG was lower in the list. Does that mean people are getting a better education this year than they did last year or the year before? Also check out some of the countries that area ahead of us on that list, a lot of which did not have one of the biggest economic boons in the history of the world. My suggestion would be invest in 3 Universities as a priority. Smaller town colleges like NUIG and Maynooth should not be receiving the millions they get to produce sub par graduates that just need to be re-trained once they leave the University. The level of education being delivered can be delivered cheaper than it currently is.

I fail to see what the ROI is in relation to that list either. Not sure what you are getting at.

Ficheall · 15-09-2012 9:36pm

ethernet wrote: »

There is no hand-holding.

Eh... there certainly is!

ethernet wrote: »

Not all students study Arts, you know

Wompa is right, I'm afraid. The colleges are designed to produce the maximum quantity of graduates - the quality of their education is of little concern to colleges. The success of a college's business is judged almost solely on the number of graduates produced.

Wompa1 · 16-09-2012 4:00am

ethernet wrote: »

It's not a primary school. There is no hand-holding.

Check out the Network for Educations blog:

http://educationalstandards.wordpress.com/2012/04/05/gaming-examinations-2/

thesandeman · 16-09-2012 5:05am

I've seen lots of threads going off topic but this must be the strangest one yet!

kippy · 16-09-2012 9:50am

Shryke wrote: »

If this goes on for any length of time it will really kill the town. One thing Galway always has is a vibrant bit of night life.

I've no problem with late licensing, I had always assumed the majority of places that had opened late had licenses to do so.
A lot of these business' are amoung the most popular and I would suspect profitable in town, if they want to open late, they should be legally compliant and paying for the privilege.

Who actually knows, it may be in the interests of these venues that they close a bit earlier. People will just adjust their habits to compensate.

kippy · 16-09-2012 9:51am

JustMary wrote: »

What time were you in class the following day?

Why's it my business, you ask: well, I'm a taxpayer. Which means that, unless you're a foreign student (I'm guessing you're not), my taxes are paying for your education. So could feel upset if you weren't making good use of the opportunities that I'm providing for you.

Mary, I don't think that's a very fair comment to be honest.

ben.schlomo · 16-09-2012 10:49am

Wompa1 wrote: »

Where as? Are you saying last year or the year before people would stay out until 2:30 and just go home? That's BS. It was the exact same "OMG, I have half a bottle of vodka left over at the house, why don't we all get a taxi back to mine LOL"

The GMIT started a neighbourhood patrol before the change in closing time due to disturbances in the area. Last year according to a Galway City councillor he was contacted by multiple families living in the Newcastle area who had said the late night disturbances were worse than they had ever been.

I am not a student. I graduated in 2007. I left Galway in March 2012 after living there for most of my life. When I was a student there were plenty of house parties after the nightclubs and sh!t and the bars and clubs were open later. The suggestion it's much worse now because of one hour sounds like total crap.

2 years ago people were saying students were having more house parties because the recession meant they couldn't afford pubs and clubs

Even longer before that it was because smoking was banned.

I suspect all of this is the usually initial outrage bundled with a load of crap.

And I'm one of the people who thinks the pubs should be allowed to stay open later. But I think this argument about increased house parties is the same old BS that's been claimed before and it's ****e

That was started last year as a proactive step by GMIT to engage with the local community and has nothing to do with closing times, much like the rest of this train wreck, i mean thread.

spiralism · 16-09-2012 12:27pm

Wompa1 wrote: »

Where as? Are you saying last year or the year before people would stay out until 2:30 and just go home? That's BS. It was the exact same "OMG, I have half a bottle of vodka left over at the house, why don't we all get a taxi back to mine LOL"

The GMIT started a neighbourhood patrol before the change in closing time due to disturbances in the area. Last year according to a Galway City councillor he was contacted by multiple families living in the Newcastle area who had said the late night disturbances were worse than they had ever been.

I am not a student. I graduated in 2007. I left Galway in March 2012 after living there for most of my life. When I was a student there were plenty of house parties after the nightclubs and sh!t and the bars and clubs were open later. The suggestion it's much worse now because of one hour sounds like total crap.

2 years ago people were saying students were having more house parties because the recession meant they couldn't afford pubs and clubs

Even longer before that it was because smoking was banned.

I suspect all of this is the usually initial outrage bundled with a load of crap.

And I'm one of the people who thinks the pubs should be allowed to stay open later. But I think this argument about increased house parties is the same old BS that's been claimed before and it's ****e

Maybe not increased house parties but fact of the matter is that i was out Wednesday and Thursday and both days there were massive crowds outside Supermacs with people climbing lamposts, letting off flares and generally acting the bollocks. This happened once last year - in RAG week and most of us that weren't pissheaded first years thought it was out of order. People are leaving at half 1, its a bit of an insult tbh as most are used to not going into town til nearly 12...they're ran out the door of the clubs at half 1 still locked and they don't want the night to end then... at least when its two or later people have sobered up a bit and partied themselves out.

Late house parties are nothing new, as are large crowds outside Supermacs. What is new is the amount of acting the bollocks going on at both, there were never large amounts of calls by Gardai to house parties and near riots outside Supermacs (outside RAG week) and that has a direct link with people not wanting to "give up on the night" at half 1, if you will. Shortsighted policy is shortsighted.

Mrs OBumble · 16-09-2012 1:02pm

kippy wrote: »

Mary, I don't think that's a very fair comment to be honest.

because ...

I'm not the least embarrassed about the post: I firmly believe that society needs to be calling students to account for their behaviour, and that anyone who's out until 5am during the week cannot be doing their studies justice the next day.

What's more, I hear older Irish people saying things like "I'm glad that my son/daughter/nephew didn't get into the course he wanted, because s/he would just have spent all the time drinking." Now, this is an indictment on the quality of parenting - but also on the social structures that allow that kind of behaviour.

Which takes us right back the origins of this thread: earlier closing times.

Also back on topic, I notice that there was no talk of what times the court put onto the late-licenses issued for September. Does that mean that the judge declined to make them the same as the licenses in the rest of the country?

witnessrenegade · 16-09-2012 1:13pm

I wrote a big message last night after a few glasses but I didn't send it because it was pure terrible. Just read it their and just realized that my spelling is terrible after a few drinks. Either way, il keep my response kinda short and sweet. Galway has a full/part time student population of over 15,000. Without these people this town would be empty. Families who live in estates around colleges should be well aware of the noise of students, so for them to come out complaining each year about the "Nosiest students ever" gets very annoying as they should know what their like by now. In order to make money off students, Galway must expect that some students will make a noise and a mess every once in a while like students in every other city in the country, but without these messy students, their would be a lot less bar jobs, and funding and festivals in Galway. We should of course not let them go out of control and that! I have shown JustMarys post above to friends and we have been doing a group face palm session like mad. She's giving students opportunities? She must not get anything off the government at all the poor creature with the way she goes on, everyone in the country benefits in some way from the taxes the state collects. Some may p*** it up against a wall, some may not but without the few who choose to spend it in local bars and clubs and shops, this town would be a much quieter place.
My massive paragraph above has nothing to do with the closing times so I might as well keep to the topic. It's a shame the police have decided to begin enforcing this law. I don't go out to often during the week but if I ever wander down west it's always nice to have an extra pint before Vinny's. That extra hour makes a big difference to the cash coming into pubs and it will soon begin to effect jobs, which is a shame.

kippy · 16-09-2012 1:23pm

JustMary wrote: »

because ...

I'm not the least embarrassed about the post: I firmly believe that society needs to be calling students to account for their behaviour, and that anyone who's out until 5am during the week cannot be doing their studies justice the next day.

What's more, I hear older Irish people saying things like "I'm glad that my son/daughter/nephew didn't get into the course he wanted, because s/he would just have spent all the time drinking." Now, this is an indictment on the quality of parenting - but also on the social structures that allow that kind of behaviour.

Which takes us right back the origins of this thread: earlier closing times.

Also back on topic, I notice that there was no talk of what times the court put onto the late-licenses issued for September. Does that mean that the judge declined to make them the same as the licenses in the rest of the country?

Perhaps a new topic is warranted as this is derailing the topic.

Have you ever been suppored by the state or has your job been in any way subsidised by the taxpayer? Do you ask the same questions of parents who buy alcohol with child allowance or pensioners who spend their pensions gambling? Do you ask your elected representatives what they spend their salaries on, civil servants etc?

ciano1 · 16-09-2012 4:21pm

Here's a video I took last Monday outside supermacs. Haven't seen this many people in the square since Rag week.

Inside supermacs, the majority of people were freshers, confused why they were being thrown out of pubs and clubs at 1:30am.

zarquon · 16-09-2012 5:18pm

Hardly a surprise to see all the student outrage at the reduced pubs opening hours. Some of the posters above talk about the economic benefit of the students spending, however that must be offset against the grants and subsidies given to both students and the universities. If these subsidies were reduced, students would be forced to spend more on their education and have less disposable income for socialising. In that scenario the net cost to the taxpayers of reduced student spend would be neutralized. Right now there is always an outcry from students and their unions when talk of reducing grants and increasing fees raises its ugly head but honestly if students have the amount of disposable income on display most nights in Galway then they should be forced to channel that back into their education rather than relying on the taxpayer to support the education. The problem with Ireland is there is a massive sense of entitlement across all demographics.

BhoscaCapall · 16-09-2012 5:26pm

zarquon wrote: »

Hardly a surprise to see all the student outrage at the reduced pubs opening hours.

:rolleyes: Nor is it a surprise to see the outrage from every other demographic (other than teetotallers)

zarquon · 16-09-2012 8:14pm

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

:rolleyes: Nor is it a surprise to see the outrage from every other demographic (other than teetotallers)

Every other demographic??? The universe does exist beyond the 18-35 demographic, you might discover that when you are older. There are plenty of non teetollers not at all bothered by the earlier closing time. Some of us have too much responsibilities in life like work and family to be out until 2am a few nights a week.

BhoscaCapall · 16-09-2012 9:02pm

zarquon wrote: »

Every other demographic??? The universe does exist beyond the 18-35 demographic

Well done, it does. Did you know that before reading my post mentioning other demographics, or are you a slow learner?

inisboffin · 16-09-2012 9:18pm

Not being provocative, but what *does* prevent students who finish College in the afternoon from going out earlier?
Same goes I suppose for people who work day hours.

I do get the inconvenience for those who work late and nights, and want to start their night at 11, but I am really not sure what prevents 'making a night of it' earlier?

Even with drinking at home and then going out for the last couple, why are people so adverse to doing it earlier? Honest question?

Long Gone · 17-09-2012 1:05pm

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Salthill went from being one of the premiere resorts in Ireland to it's present sorry state in less than 20 years because the clubs there were put out of business by a Super on a mission from God.

Spot on. Salthill is an awful kip now. I'm surprised that there isn't a thread about the terrible state that it's now in on this forum. And why the hell are those so called "asylum seekers" been housed in a hotel right bang in the middle of Salthill (at taxpayers expense I might add) dragging the place's image down even more....:mad:

BhoscaCapall · 17-09-2012 1:09pm

Long Gone wrote: »

And why the hell are those so called "asylum seekers" been housed in a hotel right bang in the middle of Salthill (at taxpayers expense I might add) dragging the place's image down even more....:mad:

Rather them in this country than you.

Long Gone · 17-09-2012 1:13pm

BhoscaCapall wrote: »

Rather them in this country than you.

Well your type would, wouldn't you ! .:)

You could do with a day's work I'd say.....

Mrs OBumble · 17-09-2012 1:24pm

kippy wrote: »

Have you ever been suppored by the state or has your job been in any way subsidised by the taxpayer?

Yes, I have an extensive work history in both the public and private sectors, and I've spent some time on JSB.

I can assure you now that I wouldn't have lasted in those jobs (either sector) if I'd been up partying until 5am - if I had done that, my manager and HR would have been very rapidly involved I'm sure.

And while on JSB, there was an obligation (which I met) to seek paid employment. One of the ways i did this was by accepting 1/2 day and 1 day temping assignments. This meant that I had to be bright and cheery at 9am, just in case the phone rang and someone wanted me to work. Again .. no late night partying (even if I could have afforded it).

Like it or not, the licensing laws are about protecting people from themselves. Which some may find it obnoxiuos that adults need to have this done, the rates of alcoholism, alcohol-related injuries and suicide (alcohol is a depressant) suggest that it's necessary.

kippy · 17-09-2012 1:28pm

JustMary wrote: »

Yes, I have an extensive work history in both the public and private sectors, and I've spent some time on JSB.

I can assure you now that I wouldn't have lasted in those jobs (either sector) if I'd been up partying until 5am - if I had done that, my manager and HR would have been very rapidly involved I'm sure.

And while on JSB, there was an obligation (which I met) to seek paid employment. One of the ways i did this was by accepting 1/2 day and 1 day temping assignments. This meant that I had to be bright and cheery at 9am, just in case the phone rang and someone wanted me to work. Again .. no late night partying (even if I could have afforded it).

Like it or not, the licensing laws are about protecting people from themselves. Which some may find it obnoxiuos that adults need to have this done, the rates of alcoholism, alcohol-related injuries and suicide (alcohol is a depressant) suggest that it's necessary.

And you never spend earnings from these activities on discretionary items, never wasted the money from these items?

Students and others have every right to be up until five AM, doing whatever they want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the health and welfare of others in my opinion.

I have very little respect of those kind of comments "well i pay your wages/for your lifestyle/ so I will dictate to you how you will spend your life.

Licensing laws do little to protect people from them selves. Why determine policy based on the behavior of a minority group? If I wanted to go out to five AM (working or not) why should my options be dictated as a result of the few that do not know how to have a night out without acting the donkey?

biko · 17-09-2012 1:30pm

Long Gone wrote: »

Spot on. Salthill is an awful kip now. I'm surprised that there isn't a thread about the terrible state that it's now in on this forum. And why the hell are those so called "asylum seekers" been housed in a hotel right bang in the middle of Salthill (at taxpayers expense I might add) dragging the place's image down even more....:mad:

That's for some other thread, do not post off topic again.

inisboffin · 17-09-2012 4:20pm

kippy wrote: »

Students and others have every right to be up until five AM, doing whatever they want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the health and welfare of others in my opinion.

While many would agree with your general sentiment, it is the highlighted part that I suspect has people disagreeing.

snubbleste · 17-09-2012 4:26pm

So has anyone written to the Superintendent yet telling them they should not enforce the legislation?

Wompa1 · 17-09-2012 4:26pm

kippy wrote: »

And you never spend earnings from these activities on discretionary items, never wasted the money from these items?

Students and others have every right to be up until five AM, doing whatever they want, so long as it doesn't interfere with the health and welfare of others in my opinion.

I have very little respect of those kind of comments "well i pay your wages/for your lifestyle/ so I will dictate to you how you will spend your life.

I don't know. The grant is meant as a maintenance grant, I don't think that's to maintain a certain level of drunkeness. I think people who are paying taxes should be allowed to have an opinion and say. Only problem is people need to start voicing it a little louder. 41% tax is a kick in the balls, that will rise too I'm sure. Then the tax on overtime is BS. Tax on a bonus. What's the incentive to work. I can go back to college and go on the dole and not pay taxes and get drunk instead. And I could. I could do that on 188 a week. I agree with your statement regards sense of entitlement.

LeeroyJ. · 17-09-2012 4:44pm

Originally Posted by JustMary
What time were you in class the following day?

Why's it my business, you ask: well, I'm a taxpayer. Which means that, unless you're a foreign student (I'm guessing you're not), my taxes are paying for your education. So could feel upset if you weren't making good use of the opportunities that I'm providing for you.

Haha, you sir (or madame) are an conservative idiot. Are you freaking kidding me? I for one was an American Student that now works and pays taxes here. And your argument is completely invalid. Every person above 18 can do whatever the hell they want as long as they are respecting the law. You have no say so in how they choose to spend their free time. Jesus, some people...

Pubs in Galway closing at 1am

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