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More Revenue Shenanigans from Mick Wallace

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    #32
    Einhard
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Oh but lads...he has long hair...and sure he's inarticulate and doesn't seem to know what he's talking about half the time...but he wears pink shirts lads...and while he may be frequently incoherent...he funds Wexford youths...and he may have defrauded his employees and the taxpayer...but he's sticking it to the man...anyone who criticises him is just a bitter FFer...

    In the absence of Mick's usual supporters I thought I'd just give their point of view on the matter based on past warblings...


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    #33
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Am i missing something? He's admitted to deliberate tax fraud - why is he not being charged by the gardai?


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    #34
    Bigus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Bigus


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Am i missing something? He's admitted to deliberate tax fraud - why is he not being charged by the gardai?

    The gardai are not responsible for collecting taxes.


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    #35
    legendary.xix
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭legendary.xix


    There are many examples of people committing tax crime and being put in jail. Does this apply to TDs?


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    #36
    Theboinkmaster
    Registered Users Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Theboinkmaster


    Bigus wrote: »
    The gardai are not responsible for collecting taxes.

    Doesn't answer my question - he's admitted to the fraud, so why not charged?


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    #37
    tfitzgerald
    Registered Users Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭tfitzgerald


    In my opinion he should get jail . He admitted fraud I don't care if he thinks "it was the right thing to do" he should still pay


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    #38
    creedp
    Registered Users Posts: 5,648 ✭✭✭creedp


    donalg1 wrote: »
    Couldnt they just deduct it direct from his salary seeing as he owes the state and the state are giving him money, take 90% of his monthly salary until its paid back or as long as he is receiving state money.

    The same way as they are deducting the money owed by Nama'd developers out of the €200k salaries NAMA are paying them to look after thier portfolios and the rent they are paying them for teh occupation of the busted developers properties ... bottom line some people never lose ...


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    #39
    TheBody
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    He should face the same consequences that you or I would face. In reality, I fear that shag all will happen.


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    #40
    donalg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,513 ✭✭✭donalg1


    djpbarry wrote: »
    He doesn't owe the state, his company does. Legally, there's a big difference. Limiting one's liability is one of the main reasons people go to the trouble of setting up limited companies.

    I realise this, but bloody hell he deliberately didnt pay his taxes. I wonder would he have done it if he could be held liable for it or could be forced to repay it or go to jail himself.

    I bet he wasnt on the breadline himself when he wasnt paying his taxes, driving around in his nice jeep spending money left right and centre no doubt.

    But still he has openly admitted to intentionally breaking the law, surely that cant be seen as ok.


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    #41
    Einhard
    Registered Users Posts: 6,920 ✭✭✭Einhard


    Yes.

    Won't happen though.


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    #42
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,678 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Whilst prison should be a very last resort for debtors, perhaps he should be an opportunity to re-coup the money he tax owes. Unless of course he somehow enters government where I believe it is the done thing for taxpayers to bail out those who are imprudent with monies.


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    #43
    DoesNotCompute
    Registered Users Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    If he has indeed committed tax fraud, Revenue should be stringing this fella up by the cojones, to demonstrate that even elected representatives cannot evade/avoid tax and expect to get away with with. Make an example of him!


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    #44
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Bigus wrote: »
    The gardai are not responsible for collecting taxes.

    Either is the DPP, though it is they who should be calling him


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    #45
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    djpbarry wrote: »
    He doesn't owe the state, his company does. Legally, there's a big difference. Limiting one's liability is one of the main reasons people go to the trouble of setting up limited companies.

    In order to gain the benefits of limited liability, directors take on significant responsibilities. It's fair to say those responsibilities include not knowingly and deliberately under declaring VAT liabilities by more than €1m.

    IMO he should be vigourously pursued by the state to make him personally liable for this debt. The Office of the Director of Corporate Enforcement should be investigating him too, if they're not already.

    [Edit - actually, you can make a complaint to the ODCE directly using the form here. I intend to do just that and I would encourage anyone else who feels strongly about this to do likewise.]


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    #46
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    tfitzgerald wrote: »
    In my opinion he should get jail .
    Fortunately we have courts to decide such things.
    gizmo555 wrote: »
    In order to gain the benefits of limited liability, directors take on significant responsibilities. It's fair to say those responsibilities include not knowingly and deliberately under declaring VAT liabilities by more than €1m.
    I'm certainly not defending him, but as I said earlier, the reason I started the thread was no to debate the intricacies of company law and decide who is liable for what - that's a whole other discussion.

    The question here is what are the people of Wexford doing electing a pretty dodgy builder to the Dail? I could maybe have understood it ten years ago, but now?


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    #47
    unit 1
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    I dont have a business background but would I be right in assuming that to incur a vat liability he actually will have received the funds.
    This means that he actually at one point had the cash, but decided not to hold onto it and pass it onto revenue, and not owe the revenue the vat and have to raise the funds to cover the vat by his own means.
    Ming and minger methinks.


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    #48
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    unit 1 wrote: »
    I dont have a business background but would I be right in assuming that to incur a vat liability he actually will have received the funds.
    This means that he actually at one point had the cash, but decided not to hold onto it and pass it onto revenue, and not owe the revenue the vat and have to raise the funds to cover the vat by his own means.

    That's how it works, in essence.

    Wallace has a bigger issue than just not paying the VAT - if he had declared the amount owing but pleaded inability to pay it all when it was due that would be one thing.

    He - on his own admission - deliberately falsified his company's VAT return, knowing it was illegal to do so.


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    #49
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    Theboinkmaster wrote: »
    Doesn't answer my question - he's admitted to the fraud, so why not charged?


    It's a civil NOT a criminal matter.

    Revenue can pursue him.


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    #50
    gizmo555
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,948 ✭✭✭gizmo555


    It's a civil NOT a criminal matter.

    Revenue can pursue him.

    It's both!


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    #51
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Fortunately we have courts to decide such things.
    I'm certainly not defending him, but as I said earlier, the reason I started the thread was no to debate the intricacies of company law and decide who is liable for what - that's a whole other discussion.

    The question here is what are the people of Wexford doing electing a pretty dodgy builder to the Dail? I could maybe have understood it ten years ago, but now?

    Have you looked at the alternatives for the people of Wexford at the time, at all costs Fianna Fail weren't getting majority votes. None of the politicians work for Wexford, they bring in SFA investment and jobs to Wexford, they all just talk a good show. They are all and always have been a disaster for Wexford.

    Look at Howlin for example, an ex Minister, TD etc before being elected again a year ago - never did a tap for Wexford, yet he was forever topping the poll.

    Paul Kehoe is a joke - Chief Whip of the gov party and what's he dones for Wexford.

    Anyone who wants to contradict me please provide valid examples of what Wexford politicians have brought to Wexford in the last 10/15 years.

    Wallace was voted partly protest/partly young vote/partly as people thought as an Independent they might have an alternative representative (just as they voted for Twomey as an independent and then he jumped ship to Fine Gael - a big two fingers to the electorate that voted for him as an independent).

    Vote for crap, get crap, and on the other side choices are so terribly limited in Wexford.


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    #52
    vicwatson
    Registered Users Posts: 28,403 ✭✭✭✭vicwatson


    gizmo555 wrote: »
    It's both!


    The Gardai will NOT go and arrest him for admitting he evaded tax, Simples


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    #53
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,130 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    djpbarry wrote: »
    He doesn't owe the state, his company does. Legally, there's a big difference. Limiting one's liability is one of the main reasons people go to the trouble of setting up limited companies.

    Legally he has repsonsibilities as a company director and he failed in these.
    Also there is the little matter of continuing to trade when it was reckless to do so.

    People have been done for that in the past.
    Rare I know but there have been some pulled up on it.
    A few years back a couple in Wicklow used there failing business to fund their own spending including credit cards and AFAIK they were brought to court by revenue.
    legendary.xix wrote: »
    There are many examples of people committing tax crime and being put in jail. Does this apply to TDs?

    Not in this jurisdiction.
    See flynn, lowry, haughey for prime examples. :mad:
    vicwatson wrote: »
    It's a civil NOT a criminal matter.

    Revenue can pursue him.

    I thought not paying your taxing was a criminal offense ?
    Was this not tax evasion ?
    vicwatson wrote: »
    The Gardai will NOT go and arrest him for admitting he evaded tax, Simples

    No but a case can be brought by revenue where he can be penalised.
    Of course revenue have done a deal, a settlement where they actually get nothing.
    Wippee for the Irish system.
    I wonder if the next time I screw up or am late with my VAT return, can I ask for one of those settlements, rather than a fine ?
    Then again I am not a TD. :rolleyes:


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    #54
    walshb
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    Wallace has to go, but then again, we are in Ireland. The man admitted to an illegal act, knew it was illegal too.


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    #55
    dublinman1990
    Registered Users Posts: 8,349 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The audio link from his RTE radio and Charlie Flanagan interview are here.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0607/wallace-confirms-2-1m-settlement-with-revenue.html#audio

    If you are watching the news right now; there will be a live interview of MW on 6.1 News in few moments.


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    #56
    plasmaguy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,683 ✭✭✭plasmaguy


    vicwatson wrote: »
    Have you looked at the alternatives for the people of Wexford at the time, at all costs Fianna Fail weren't getting majority votes. None of the politicians work for Wexford, they bring in SFA investment and jobs to Wexford, they all just talk a good show. They are all and always have been a disaster for Wexford.

    Look at Howlin for example, an ex Minister, TD etc before being elected again a year ago - never did a tap for Wexford, yet he was forever topping the poll.

    Paul Kehoe is a joke - Chief Whip of the gov party and what's he dones for Wexford.

    Anyone who wants to contradict me please provide valid examples of what Wexford politicians have brought to Wexford in the last 10/15 years.

    Wallace was voted partly protest/partly young vote/partly as people thought as an Independent they might have an alternative representative (just as they voted for Twomey as an independent and then he jumped ship to Fine Gael - a big two fingers to the electorate that voted for him as an independent).

    Vote for crap, get crap, and on the other side choices are so terribly limited in Wexford.

    What has Wallace done for Wexford only also talk a good show. The guy is a spoofer, has been from the start, he's part of the Developer class that wrecked this country.

    What do you think happens when someone fails to pay millions in tax? There has to be cuts and also taxes raised to make up the shortfall. That's not to mention the fact that he owes millions to banks, banks which the government may end up bailing out with taxpayer money.

    This whole TD lark he's embarked on seems to be one big PR stunt for him. Dress in a pink shirt, sit beside the ULA in the Dail and suddenly everyone thinks he's a socialist and a man of the people.


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    #57
    BlaasForRafa
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    djpbarry wrote: »
    The question here is what are the people of Wexford doing electing a pretty dodgy builder to the Dail? I could maybe have understood it ten years ago, but now?

    The following quote is from a friend of mine from Wexford
    I don't care he is a Wexford man who has done a lot my county and in the grand scheme of things he is innocent

    And he's not the only one I've heard say similar things. This is the kind of mentality we're dealing with, the "sure he's a nice fella who's done a lot for the town/county/wherever"

    For a lot of people parochialism trumps justice.


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    #58
    JustinDee
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,684 ✭✭✭JustinDee


    Bloody hell. That's some blind loyalty if ever there was.
    This feckin' place . . .


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    #59
    Icepick
    Registered Users Posts: 2,454 ✭✭✭Icepick


    The chancers in Wexford have the democratic right to elect a thief to truly represent them, no?


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    #60
    Sierra Oscar
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    The silence from the Technical group is deafening.

    If this was a FG / FF TD in question then they would be up in arms and would be chanting for a resignation. Hypocrites.


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    #61
    ThisRegard
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    The Last Word requested statements or quotes from everyone in the group, only got replies from 2, and they were prepared statements saying that it's up to the people of Wexford to decide that happens regarding his position. What a cop out, it's not like they can vote him out mid term.


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