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Bye bye Sarkozy

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  • 06-05-2012 10:28pm
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    Scofflaw
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    So, Sarkozy is out, and apparently to retire from politics, and Hollande is in, but by a smaller margin than expected.

    Reactions vary, but whatever happens should not only be interesting, but will have the added bonus of not involving Sarkozy, who I'd have to regard as one a of a generation of European leaders almost entirely lacking in either vision or guiding principles. Or indeed, considering the Strauss-Khan affair, ethics.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw


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    Wild Bill
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    As are the daft Greek europhiles!

    Reality is about to bite Germany and the illegitimate FG/Lab regime. :cool:


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    meglome
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    Wild Bill wrote: »
    As are the daft Greek europhiles!

    Reality is about to bite Germany and the illegitimate FG/Lab regime. :cool:

    huh?


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    hatrickpatrick
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    Thank Christ.
    Sesh on in Dublin tonight to celebrate? :D


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    Agent Smith
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    liammur
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    So, Sarkozy is out, and apparently to retire from politics, and Hollande is in, but by a smaller margin than expected.

    Reactions vary, but whatever happens should not only be interesting, but will have the added bonus of not involving Sarkozy, who I'd have to regard as one a of a generation of European leaders almost entirely lacking in either vision or guiding principles. Or indeed, considering the Strauss-Khan affair, ethics.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    I'm not sorry to see him go, but will Hollande be any better? It's no time for socialists imo.
    Also, the bigger news I think appears to be the Greek elections. There will be massive volatility on the markets over the coming months.


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    Wild Bill
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    meglome wrote: »
    huh?


    What?


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    golden lane
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    all euro's to be overprinted as food coupons.....except german ones.....they will be overprinted as duetschmarks...........

    i billion food coupons=i duetschmark.........


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    dsmythy
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    Hollande made a hell of a lot of promises. Won't be long before grumblings start against him, such is typical political cycles.


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    RandomName2
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    So, Sarkozy is out, and apparently to retire from politics, and Hollande is in, but by a smaller margin than expected.

    Reactions vary, but whatever happens should not only be interesting, but will have the added bonus of not involving Sarkozy, who I'd have to regard as one a of a generation of European leaders almost entirely lacking in either vision or guiding principles. Or indeed, considering the Strauss-Khan affair, ethics.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    I didn't like his attitude (at all) - but had I had a vote I'd have thrown it Sark's direction. Both rounds.

    Loss of AAA rating was what did it for him.


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    ongarite
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    More interesting election results are the ones in Greece.
    Not that unexpected but total wipeout for the 2 coalition parties and rise of the extremist groups.


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    funnights74
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    Let's see what developes between Frauline Merkel and Mr Hollande over the whole euro crisis now, on the face of it they have very little in common but politicians doing u-turns is nothing strange, it's almost normal.


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    golden lane
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    i think greece may be in for a hard time.......whatever they do.....there will be a reaction from the other eu members.......and it could be a big shock to the big ones in the eu.......

    the blame game is going too far in the eu.....but what really was expected with so many different countries........trying to be the same........


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    carveone
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    liammur wrote: »
    I'm not sorry to see him go, but will Hollande be any better? It's no time for socialists imo.

    The socialists don't seem to currently dominate parliament (I don't know enough about French politics!) so it's not as if he can change all that much all that fast. I'm wondering do we have a more US style presidency here where Obama seems to be constantly stymied by Congress. Dunno...

    A lot of French people I've talked to seemed to dislike Sarko quite a lot. His wife not so much ;)
    Also, the bigger news I think appears to be the Greek elections. There will be massive volatility on the markets over the coming months.

    Yes. RTE were talking about the rise of the far right (and left) on the News tonight which was cheering. There is volatility on the markets every week anyway! The Euro moved down sharply as the results were announced but have flattened out. It'll be forgotten by tomorrow - the markets have about a one week memory if that!


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    flutered
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    carveone wrote: »
    The socialists don't seem to currently dominate parliament (I don't know enough about French politics!) so it's not as if he can change all that much all that fast. I'm wondering do we have a more US style presidency here where Obama seems to be constantly stymied by Congress. Dunno...

    A lot of French people I've talked to seemed to dislike Sarko quite a lot. His wife not so much ;)



    Yes. RTE were talking about the rise of the far right (and left) on the News tonight which was cheering. There is volatility on the markets every week anyway! The Euro moved down sharply as the results were announced but have flattened out. It'll be forgotten by tomorrow - the markets have about a one week memory if that!
    explain that to our two school teachers, they seem to be opsessed by then, ie telling us the markets this and the markets that.


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    RichardAnd
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    I'm happy to see the little man go. No doubt he's off to enjoy a not-so-little pension but that's another story.

    What about this new guy, what might be expected of him?


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    carveone
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    flutered wrote: »
    explain that to our two school teachers, they seem to be opsessed by then, ie telling us the markets this and the markets that.

    I'm not exactly qualified to comment but the way it appears to me is that professional and commercial investors are sitting on the sidelines, maybe in commodities, while the retail investors and speculators are buybuybuying. This seems to be leading to a twitchy low volume market where speculators look to make a quick buck and could care less what happened last week.

    It'll be interesting to see how the next few days play out. We could do 2011 again, that was fun...


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    washman3
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    flutered wrote: »
    explain that to our two school teachers, they seem to be opsessed by then, ie telling us the markets this and the markets that.

    we actually have 3 to be precise, and 3 failed schoolteachers at that.
    look forward to the day all 3 get the same kick up the asre that Sarko has just got. a horrible,evil,creepy,nasty bit of stuff he was.


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    BlaasForRafa
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    carveone wrote: »
    Yes. RTE were talking about the rise of the far right (and left) on the News tonight which was cheering. There is volatility on the markets every week anyway! The Euro moved down sharply as the results were announced but have flattened out. It'll be forgotten by tomorrow - the markets have about a one week memory if that!

    The French election was relatively conventional compared to the Greek one. I was fairly disturbed also by the report on the far-right Greek party Golden Dawn who don't even try to disguise their ideology like the BNP in the UK do. If you look at the Golden Dawn official website its covered in Nazi-esque symbology.

    Looking at the actual greek results the traditional parties New Democracy (their equivalent of FF/FG) and Pasok (their equivalent of the Labour party). The Radical Leftists (their equivalent of the ULA I guess) are now the second party in the state and hold the balance of power....can you imagine Joe Higgins or Richard boyd Barrett holding the balance of power here?...I shudder at the mere thought.

    The Greek communist party got 8.4% and the Golden Dawn (far right) got 6.9% so they're a long way from power but considering GD got 0.3% in the last election its a worrying trend.


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    washman3
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Looking at the actual greek results the traditional parties New Democracy (their equivalent of FF/FG) and Pasok (their equivalent of the Labour party). The Radical Leftists (their equivalent of the ULA I guess) are now the second party in the state and hold the balance of power....can you imagine Joe Higgins or Richard boyd Barrett holding the balance of power here?...I shudder at the mere thought.

    Do we forget that a
    South Kerry Gombeen with a flat cap and a proven tax evader from North Tipp held the balance of power and held this country to ransom for many years,playing a major part in the mess we are in today.??
    Time to look at our own sins first....;)


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    BlaasForRafa
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    washman3 wrote: »
    Do we forget that a Kerry Gombeen with a flat cap and a proven tax evader from South Tipp held the balance of power and held this country to ransom for many years,playing a major part in the mess we are in today.??
    Time to look at our own sins first....;)

    Lowry is from North Tipp not South Tipp. And no, "we" don't forget. But just because one group of chancers had the chance to support and incompetent government and extract a ransom from the country dosen't mean that "we" should be happy at the though of another group of populist chancers having that same opportunity.


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    cyberhog
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    RichardAnd wrote: »

    What about this new guy, what might be expected of him?

    More of the same, but at a slightly slower pace.


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    washman3
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    Lowry is from North Tipp not South Tipp. And no, "we" don't forget. But just because one group of chancers had the chance to support and incompetent government and extract a ransom from the country dosen't mean that "we" should be happy at the though of another group of populist chancers having that same opportunity.

    not even if they fill "our" potholes and cut "our" hedgerows...;)


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    Wild Bill
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »

    the Golden Dawn (far right) got 6.9% so they're a long way from power but considering GD got 0.3% in the last election its a worrying trend.

    It is indeed - they are an utterly repugnant party. But what this result shows is that the massive censorship of them by the Greek media backfired.

    You either believe in free speech or you don't.

    The acid test is allowing the expression of opinions you find loathsome. There is no other test.

    On this basis how would our "liberal" media fare? Not too well.

    Just as well there is no apparent suppressed market for racism in Ireland or our "liberal" media (including boards) would be unwittingly (or witlessly) pouring petrol on the flames. :cool:


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    TehDagsBass
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    I'll be interested to see how the markets react to this weekend. While I'm delighted to see the back of Sarkozy, coupled with the antics of Greece, the EU has entered a new era of uncertainty at a time where confidence in the Union and currency is essential.


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    southsiderosie
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    Scofflaw wrote: »
    So, Sarkozy is out, and apparently to retire from politics, and Hollande is in, but by a smaller margin than expected.

    Reactions vary, but whatever happens should not only be interesting, but will have the added bonus of not involving Sarkozy, who I'd have to regard as one a of a generation of European leaders almost entirely lacking in either vision or guiding principles. Or indeed, considering the Strauss-Khan affair, ethics.

    cordially,
    Scofflaw

    Perhaps, but when has Hollande ever demonstrated a sense of guiding principles or vision? 'President Bling-bling' arguably did have a vision for changing France's role in international affairs (and he at least came into office talking about domestic reform). Nothing I have read about Hollande suggests that he has ever done anything but lead from behind - is this really going to be the man to help stabilize Europe? Between the DSK debacle and dislike of Sarkozy, Hollande seems rather like an accidental president, rather than one who got into the race because he had a strong sense about where France as a nation should be going - in the twenty-first century, anyway.
    washman3 wrote: »
    Do we forget that a
    South Kerry Gombeen with a flat cap and a proven tax evader from North Tipp held the balance of power and held this country to ransom for many years,playing a major part in the mess we are in today.??
    Time to look at our own sins first....;)

    Does every conversation about European politics have to go back to the 'shur but look at the morons WE have!"? Ireland's 'sins' in this regard pale in the face of the European nationalist right's history. Gombeenism is one thing, ethnic cleansing and street violence is quite another.


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    GSF
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    It should be good for London house prices as the young & the entreprenurial start to flee France because of higher (still) taxes and likely even more inflexible labour market rules.

    I do like the concept of the French thinking they can vote to end austerity. Its about as daft as that campaign by Bono et al a few years ago to make poverty history.

    It will all end in tears and not just French ones.


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    GSF
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    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    The French election was relatively conventional compared to the Greek one. I was fairly disturbed also by the report on the far-right Greek party Golden Dawn who don't even try to disguise their ideology like the BNP in the UK do. If you look at the Golden Dawn official website its covered in Nazi-esque symbology.
    Strange for a country that suffered so much under the Nazi's and now has Germany as its supposed economic nemesis. Its like lauching a Cromwell party in Ireland.


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    Ellis Dee
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    I wish I was a tabloid headline writer, because today my contribution would be:

    France tosses dwarf


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    z0oT
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    Now I guess all it depends upon is how many election promises Hollande renegs upon. :P

    And also the Greek Election is looking interesting. Live Tracker here:
    http://www.igraphics.gr/en/multimedia/2012/05/elections2012

    Breakdown of the parties.

    With the current results thus far, it looks that getting a pro-bailout/EU government is going to be difficult, and we very well could see it going to another election again.


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    Permabear
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