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Cancer Rate in Fallujah Worse than Hiroshima

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  • 12-08-2010 12:18am
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    This is insanely shocking - how many of you knew about this or even
    heard about it over the past two weeks, the wikileaks stuff has
    kind of acted as a barrier to this story getting out...

    Did any of you hear or read about this? I'd like to know.

    "The Iraqi city of Fallujah continues to suffer the ghastly consequences of a
    US military onslaught in late 2004.
    According to the authors of a new study, “Cancer, Infant Mortality and
    Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah, Iraq 2005–2009,” the people of Fallujah are
    experiencing higher rates of cancer, leukemia, infant mortality, and sexual
    mutations than those recorded among survivors in Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    in the years after those Japanese cities were incinerated by US atomic
    bomb strikes in 1945.


    The epidemiological study, published in the International Journal of
    Environmental Studies and Public Health
    (IJERPH), also finds the prevalence
    of these conditions in Fallujah to be many times greater than in nearby
    nations.
    The assault on Fallujah, a city located 43 miles west of Baghdad, was one
    of the most horrific war crimes of our time. After the population resisted
    the US-led occupation of Iraq—a war of neo-colonial plunder launched on
    the basis of lies—Washington determined to make an example of the largely
    Sunni city. This is called “exemplary” or “collective” punishment and is,
    according to the laws of war, illegal.

    The new public health study of the city now all but proves what has long
    been suspected: that a high proportion of the weaponry used in the
    assault contained depleted uranium, a radioactive substance used in shells
    to increase their effectiveness.

    In a study of 711 houses and 4,843 individuals carried out in January and
    February 2010, authors Chris Busby, Malak Hamdan, Entesar Ariabi and a
    team of researchers found that the cancer rate had increased fourfold
    since before the US attack five years ago, and that the forms of cancer in
    Fallujah are similar to those found among the Hiroshima and Nagasaki
    atomic bomb survivors, who were exposed to intense fallout radiation.


    In Fallujah the rate of leukemia is 38 times higher, the childhood cancer
    rate is 12 times higher, and breast cancer is 10 times more common than in
    populations in Egypt, Jordan, and Kuwait. Heightened levels of adult
    lymphoma and brain tumors were also reported. At 80 deaths out of every
    1,000 births, the infant mortality rate in Fallujah is more than five times
    higher than in Egypt and Jordan, and eight times higher than in Kuwait.
    Strikingly, after 2005 the proportion of girls born in Fallujah has increased
    sharply. In normal populations, 1050 boys are born for every 1000 girls. But
    among those born in Fallujah in the four years after the US assault, the
    ratio was reduced to 860 boys for every 1000 female births. This alteration
    is similar to gender ratios found in Hiroshima after the US atomic attack of
    1945.

    The most likely reason for the change in the sex ratio, according to the
    researchers, is the impact of a major mutagenic event—likely the use of
    depleted uranium in US weapons. While boys have one X-chromosome, girls
    have a redundant X-chromosome and can therefore absorb the loss of one
    chromosome through genetic damage.

    “This is an extraordinary and alarming result,” said Busby, a professor of
    molecular biosciences at the University of Ulster and director of scientific
    research for Green Audit, an independent environmental research group.
    “To produce an effect like this, some very major mutagenic exposure must
    have occurred in 2004 when the attacks happened. We need urgently to
    find out what the agent was. Although many suspect uranium, we cannot
    be certain without further research and independent analysis of samples
    from the area.”

    Busby told an Italian television news station, RAI 24, that the
    “extraordinary” increase in radiation-related maladies in Fallujah is higher
    than that found in the populations of Hiroshima and Nagasaki after the US
    atomic strikes of 1945. “My guess is that this was caused by depleted
    uranium,” he said. “They must be connected.”

    The US military uses depleted uranium, also known as spent nuclear fuel, in
    armor-piercing shells and bullets because it is twice as dense as lead. Once
    these shells hit their target, however, as much as 40 percent of the
    uranium is released in the form of tiny particles in the area of the
    explosion. It can remain there for years, easily entering the human
    bloodstream, where it lodges itself in lymph glands and attacks the DNA
    produced in the sperm and eggs of affected adults, causing, in turn,
    serious birth defects in the next generation.

    The research is the first systematic scientific substantiation of a body of
    evidence showing a sharp increase in infant mortality, birth defects, and
    cancer in Fallujah.

    In October of 2009, several Iraqi and British doctors wrote a letter to the
    United Nations demanding an inquiry into the proliferation of radiation-
    related sickness in the city:

    Young women in Fallujah in Iraq are terrified of having children because of
    the increasing number of babies born grotesquely deformed, with no heads,
    two heads, a single eye in their foreheads, scaly bodies or missing limbs. In
    addition, young children in Fallujah are now experiencing hideous cancers
    and leukemias.…


    “In September 2009, Fallujah General Hospital had 170 newborn babies, 24
    percent of whom were dead within the first seven days, a staggering 75
    percent of the dead babies were classified as deformed.…

    “Doctors in Fallujah have specifically pointed out that not only are they
    witnessing unprecedented numbers of birth defects, but premature births
    have also considerably increased after 2003. But what is more alarming is
    that doctors in Fallujah have said, ‘a significant number of babies that do
    survive begin to develop severe disabilities at a later stage.’” (See: “Sharp
    rise in birth defects in Iraqi city destroyed by US military”)

    The Pentagon responded to this report by asserting that there were no
    studies to prove any proliferation of deformities or other maladies
    associated with US military actions. “No studies to date have indicated
    environmental issues resulting in specific health issues,” a Defense
    Department spokesman told the BBC in March. There have been no studies,
    however, in large part because Washington and its puppet Baghdad regime
    have blocked them.

    According to the authors of “Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in
    Fallujah,” the Iraqi authorities attempted to scuttle their survey. hortly
    after the questionnaire survey was completed, Iraqi TV reportedly
    broadcast that a questionnaire survey was being carried out by terrorists
    and that anyone who was answering or administering the questionnaire
    could be arrested,”
    the study reports.

    The history of the atrocity committed by American imperialism against the
    people of Fallujah began on April 28, 2003, when US Army soldiers fired
    indiscriminately into a crowd of about 200 residents protesting the
    conversion of a local school into a US military base.
    Seventeen were killed
    in the unprovoked attack, and two days later American soldiers fired on a
    protest against the murders, killing two more.

    This intensified popular anger, and Fallujah became a center of the Sunni
    resistance against the occupation—and US reprisals. On March 31, 2004,
    an angry crowd stopped a convoy of the private security firm Blackwater
    USA, responsible for its own share of war crimes. Four Blackwater
    mercenaries were dragged from their vehicles, beaten, burned, and hung
    from a bridge over the Euphrates River.


    The US military then promised it would pacify the city, with one unnamed
    officer saying it would be turned into “a killing field,” but Operation Vigilant
    Resolve, involving thousands of Marines, ended in the abandonment of the
    siege by the US military in May, 2004. The victory of Fallujah’s residents
    against overwhelming military superiority was celebrated throughout Iraq
    and watched all over the world.

    The Pentagon delivered its response in November 2004. The city was
    surrounded, and all those left inside were declared to be enemy
    combatants and fair game for the most heavily equipped killing machine in
    world history. The Associated Press reported that men attempting to flee
    the city with their families were turned back into the slaughterhouse.

    In the attack, the US made heavy use of the chemical agent white
    phosphorus.
    Ostensibly used only for illuminating battlefields, white
    phosphorus causes terrible and often fatal wounds, burning its way through
    building material and clothing before eating away skin and then bone. The
    chemical was also used to suck the oxygen out of buildings where civilians
    were hiding.

    Washington’s desire for revenge against the population is indicated by the
    fact that the US military reported about the same number of “gunmen”
    killed (1,400) as those taken alive as prisoners (1,300-1,500). In one
    instance, NBC News captured video footage of a US soldier executing a
    wounded and helpless Iraqi man. A Navy investigation later found the
    Marine had been acting in self-defense.


    Fifty-one US soldiers died in 10 days of combat. The true number of city
    residents who were killed is not known. The city’s population before the
    attack was estimated to be between 425,000 and 600,000. The current
    population is believed to be between 250,000 and 300,000. Tens of
    thousands, mostly women and children, fled in advance of the attack. Half
    of the city’s building were destroyed, most of these reduced to rubble.

    Like much of Iraq, Fallujah remains in ruins. According to a recent report
    from IRIN, a project of the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian
    Affairs, Fallujah still has no functioning sewage system six years after the
    attack. “Waste pours onto the streets and seeps into drinking water
    supplies,” the report notes. “Abdul-Sattar Kadhum al-Nawaf, director of
    Fallujah general hospital, said the sewage problem had taken its toll on
    residents’ health. They were increasingly affected by diarrhea,
    tuberculosis, typhoid and other communicable diseases.”

    The savagery of the US assault shocked the world, and added the name
    Fallujah to an infamous list that includes My Lai, Sabra-Shatila, Guérnica,
    Nanking, Lidice, and Wounded Knee.

    But unlike those other massacres, the crime against Fallujah did not end
    when the bullets were no longer fired or the bombs stopped falling.
    The US military’s decision to heavily deploy depleted uranium, all but
    proven by “Cancer, Infant Mortality and Birth Sex-Ratio in Fallujah,” was a
    wanton act of brutality, poisoning an entire generation of children not yet
    born in 2004.


    The Fallujah study is timely, with the US now preparing a major escalation
    of the violence in Afghanistan. The former head of US Afghanistan
    operations, General Stanley McChrystal, was replaced last month after a
    media campaign, assisted by a Rolling Stone magazine feature, accused
    him, among other things, of tying the hands of US soldiers in their response
    to Afghan insurgents.

    McChrystal was replaced by General David Petraeus, formerly head of the
    US Central Command. Petraeus has outlined new rules of engagement
    designed to allow for the use of disproportionate force against suspected
    militants.

    Petraeus, in turn, was replaced at Central Command by General James
    “Mad Dog” Mattis, who played a key planning role in the US assault on
    Fallujah in 2004. Mattis revels in killing, telling a public gathering in 2005
    “it’s fun to shoot some people.... You know, it’s a hell of a hoot.”"

    link

    :eek:

    The Blackwater employee's were killed apparently after all of the following
    occurred.

    "On April 28, a crowd of approximately 200 people gathered outside the
    school past curfew, demanding that the Americans vacate the building and
    allow it to re-open as a school. The protesters became increasingly
    heated, and the deployment of smoke gas canisters failed attempt to
    disperse the crowd.[13] The protest escalated as gunmen reportedly fired
    upon U.S. troops from the protesting crowd and U.S. Army soldiers from
    the 3rd Battalion of the 325th Airborne Infantry Regiment of the 82nd
    Airborne Division returned fire, killing 17 people and wounding more than 70
    of the protesters. There were no Army or Coalition casualties in the
    incident. U.S. forces said that the shooting took place over 30–60
    seconds, however other sources claim the shooting continued for half an
    hour[14]

    Two days later, a protest at the former Ba'ath party headquarters decrying
    the American shootings was also fired upon by U.S. troops, this time the
    U.S. 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which resulted in three more deaths.
    [12][15] Following both incidents, the US soldiers asserted that they had
    not fired upon the protesters until they were fired upon first.

    The 82nd Airborne troops were replaced by forces from the 3rd Armored
    Cavalry Regiment and 101st Airborne Division, and on June 4 the 3rd
    Armoured Cavalry was forced to request an additional 1,500 troops to help
    quell the growing resistance faced in Fallujah and nearby al-Habaniyya.[16]



    Fallujah, December 2003
    In June, U.S. forces began confiscating motorcycles from local residents,
    claiming that they were being used in hit-and-run attacks on US
    troops.[17]
    On June 30, a large explosion occurred in a mosque in which the imam,
    Sheikh Laith Khalil and eight other people were killed. While the local
    population claimed that Americans had fired a missile at the mosque, U.S.
    forces claimed that it was an accidental detonation by insurgents
    constructing bombs.[18] "
    link

    and that was justification enough for locking people inside the city
    & using white phosphorous on them.

    What do you think???

    Anyone shed more light on the story?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    What do you think???

    Sorry, I fell asleep by just editing your post to one sentence.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭big b


    doesn't sound a suitable place for a sponsored walk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,971 ✭✭✭we'llallhavetea_old


    that is extremely long for this hour of the night, so i just read the highlighted parts, but oh my fcuk!
    why is this not major news?


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,528 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    The white phosphorus sheds enough light as it is:pac:

    Is there any evidence to back up the many..many points your post makes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Too Long; Died Reading.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭W.Shakes-Beer


    well, the figures are certainly shocking.

    Uranium is used for nuclear fusion so is highly radioactive.

    And the use of phosphorus for "illumination". my arse, they probably knew damn well what it would do.

    The damage has essentially been done, sadly that uranium will hang around for a good few years.

    oh look at me being nerdy.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,094 ✭✭✭jd007


    How much of that did you copy and paste?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    And the use of phosphorus for "illumination". my arse, they probably knew damn well what it would do.

    It's the same stuff that Israel were using on Palestinian civilians in 2006,
    unbelievable stuff!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    jd007 wrote: »
    How much of that did you copy and paste?

    Obviously everything in the big oversized inverted comma's ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,528 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    And the use of phosphorus for "illumination". my arse, they probably knew damn well what it would do.


    Militaries do use WP for illumination you do know that?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    I could have told you this back in 2006. I tried, nobody listened. Women are afraid to have children because of the horrific birth defects...kids born with no anuses, etc. American soldiers who were part of that campaign are complaining that their sperm is now acidic and burning their wives when they shag.

    Nothing new here. Just another war crime.

    If you liked the DU story, you'll really love the amputation weapons Israel used in Gaza.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    kids born with no anuses,

    That's taking the term, 'full of sh*t', a bit too literally.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,975 ✭✭✭W.Shakes-Beer


    Blay wrote: »
    Militaries do use WP for illumination you do know that?


    Yes but in this case it was more or less used as a weapon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Yes but in this case it was more or less used as a weapon.

    It was being used as a weapon


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 539 ✭✭✭piby


    I actually do remember reading about this a few months ago for college. All over southern Iraq there's problems caused by all the waste left over from the war. The (UK) Times actually ran some stories in June about the failure of the Western Armies to clean up after. Although I should point out that it wasn't a case of the US or UK deliberately ignoring it but rather passing it on to unscrupulous third parties who just dump it anywhere.

    Yet another example of just how overlooked and how far the consequences of modern warfare can stretch.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Blay wrote: »
    Militaries do use WP for illumination you do know that?


    Illegal to use it in populated areas. Doesn't stop the Americans. Torture....illegal. Doesn't stop the Americans. Collective punishment....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Use of banned weapons...war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Targeted assassination.....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Murder or intimidation of press correspondents....(Mazan Dana, Nicola Calipari, ad infinitum)....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. War of aggression....crime against humanity. Doesn't stop the Americans. Refusal to care for war refugees......war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Use of high calibre rounds and incendiary munitions on civilians....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans.

    Do you have another hour?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,848 ✭✭✭bleg


    Rates of cancer in Hiroshima aren't much higher than the average...

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20727715.800-whos-afraid-of-radiation.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    That article makes it sound like both Battles of Fallujah were just an assault on civilians.

    It was far from that.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Illegal to use it in populated areas. Doesn't stop the Americans. Torture....illegal. Doesn't stop the Americans. Collective punishment....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Use of banned weapons...war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Targeted assassination.....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Murder or intimidation of press correspondents....(Mazan Dana, Nicola Calipari, ad infinitum)....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. War of aggression....crime against humanity. Doesn't stop the Americans. Refusal to care for war refugees......war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans. Use of high calibre rounds and incendiary munitions on civilians....war crime. Doesn't stop the Americans.

    Do you have another hour?

    Only if you had credible links to back all of that up, then I would ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    It was being used as a weapon


    Gas, isn't it? And the Americans cry foul when the Iraqis develop a new method of piercing their armour with molten copper bombs, yet have no qualms about poisoning an entire vicinity with chemicals that will ensure generations of kids, much like the Vietnamese Agent Orange babies, will be hideous mutants. What a bunch.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    Poccington wrote: »
    That article makes it sound like both Battles of Fallujah were just an assault on civilians.

    It was far from that.

    Well the original report I quoted says that the soldiers fired indiscriminately
    into the crowd while the wikipedia quote has the soldiers saying they
    were fired on first. However, the soldiers first gassed the crowd &
    wouldn't listen to the civilians pleading to re-open a school.

    It was all the murdering of civilians that led to Fallujah, this is what
    fostered resistance in the eyes of the people. Them fighting back
    against the murders and bombs led to a ring of troops surrounding
    the city & attacking all inside.

    Is that right or do you have something to add?

    Oh, and none of this justifies them using, and lying about using, white
    phosphorous - especially on civilians & then just telling the civilians
    to use detergents to clean up the dust that was going to cause
    cancer, genetic & birth defects etc...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,836 ✭✭✭TanG411


    This is absolutely terrible news.

    We should do a sponsered walk for these people.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,528 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    <Snip>Do you have another hour?

    Em..what regulation says WP is illegal for illumination use over populated areas?

    Also what do you class as "high calibres"?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington


    Well the original report I quoted says that the soldiers fired indiscriminately
    into the crowd while the wikipedia quote has the soldiers saying they
    were fired on first. However, the soldiers first gassed the crowd &
    wouldn't listen to the civilians pleading to re-open a school.

    It was all the murdering of civilians that led to Fallujah, this is what
    fostered resistance in the eyes of the people. Them fighting back
    against the murders and bombs led to a ring of troops surrounding
    the city & attacking all inside.

    Is that right or do you have something to add?

    Oh, and none of this justifies them using, and lying about using, white
    phosphorous - especially on civilians & then just telling the civilians
    to use detergents to clean up the dust that was going to cause
    cancer, genetic & birth defects etc...

    What has listening to civilians pleading with soldiers got to do with the incident? Yes they used tear gas to disperse the crowd, if you were in the middle of insurgent Iraq and a large protesting crowd is gathering you have to disperse it. It would be tactically stupid to allow a large crowd to gather in front of your troops. It should be noted that a US PSYOPS team first tried to persuade the civilians to disperse but the civilians wouldn't.

    US troops say they were fired on first, other sources disagree. Can you prove they weren't fired on? Unfortunately, civilians died in an incident where neither side can prove the other wrong.

    The first Battle of Fallujah occured after the Blackwater deaths and an increasing surge in Insurgent activity. The battle ended when US forces handed control of the city over to the Fallujah Brigade(Which were armed and equipped by the US) but by September the Brigade had dissolved and all arms and equipment handed over to the insurgency. With increasing control of the city by the insurgency, the second Battle followed.

    When did they lie about using WP? The article you posted about WP use in Iraq from Wikipedia has direct quotes from US military personnel(Including a Lt. Colonel) admitting to the use of WP in Fallujah.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Only if you had credible links to back all of that up, then I would ;)


    Well this covers a few points:

    http://www.icrc.org/Web/Eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/section_ihl_weapons?OpenDocument

    As does this:

    http://www.icrc.org/web/eng/siteeng0.nsf/html/genevaconventions#a2

    I like the part about those being cared for.

    Then you'll have the "distinctive emblem" clausë:

    http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/7c4d08d9b287a42141256739003e636b/f6c8b9fee14a77fdc125641e0052b079


    .....so a helicopter pilot 500 feet in the air can positively make out an RPG and riddle a cameraman yet a tank crew, having being told that Al Jazeera and Reuters personnel are in the Palestine Hotel, can't make out the word "PRESS" on their flak vests from 100 yards and so blasts them to atoms.



    You gotta just love it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,405 ✭✭✭gizmo


    Oh ****, did I stumble into CT again? :eek:

    Also, since when did Wikipedia become an acceptable source to quote? I know you CT nuts usually use the whole "I'M NOT TELLING YOU MY SOURCES, GO LOOK THEM UP FOR YOURSELF!!" but isn't this taking the piss a little?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    Unfortunately this will just be labeled as 'collateral damage'.

    They didn't give a fcuk about their own soldiers getting Gulf War Syndrome / CFIDS, so why would they give a crap about people suffering in a foreign country.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    gizmo wrote: »
    Oh ****, did I stumble into CT again? :eek:

    Also, since when did Wikipedia become an acceptable source to quote? I know you CT nuts usually use the whole "I'M NOT TELLING YOU MY SOURCES, GO LOOK THEM UP FOR YOURSELF!!" but isn't this taking the piss a little?

    What's your problem?

    A) If you think there's something wrong with the material in the wikipedia
    post then please try to show us the error.

    B) This isn't conspiracy theory stuff, this is all true. Read the report this is
    in all of the bloody medical journals ffs, also the U.S. admitted
    that they were using phosphorous & there's video evidence in the
    movie quoted on "wikipedia" :eek: proving that they were attacking people.

    C) You're a victim of hype & are willing to confuse real reporting with
    conspiracy theories because you haven't a clue how to judge accurately,
    failing to look at the material because of some
    pre-conceived notions is really a shame & is the prefect submission to
    unquestioned authority - enjoy it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,497 ✭✭✭Poccington



    B) This isn't conspiracy theory stuff, this is all true. Read the report this is
    in all of the bloody medical journals ffs, also the U.S. admitted
    that they were using phosphorous & there's video evidence in the
    movie quoted on "wikipedia" :eek: proving that they were attacking people.

    You said they lied about using WP?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭jackiebaron


    Poccington wrote: »
    What has listening to civilians pleading with soldiers got to do with the incident? Yes they used tear gas to disperse the crowd, if you were in the middle of insurgent Iraq and a large protesting crowd is gathering you have to disperse it. It would be tactically stupid to allow a large crowd to gather in front of your troops. It should be noted that a US PSYOPS team first tried to persuade the civilians to disperse but the civilians wouldn't.

    US troops say they were fired on first, other sources disagree. Can you prove they weren't fired on? Unfortunately, civilians died in an incident where neither side can prove the other wrong.

    The first Battle of Fallujah occured after the Blackwater deaths and an increasing surge in Insurgent activity. The battle ended when US forces handed control of the city over to the Fallujah Brigade(Which were armed and equipped by the US) but by September the Brigade had dissolved and all arms and equipment handed over to the insurgency. With increasing control of the city by the insurgency, the second Battle followed.

    When did they lie about using WP? The article you posted about WP use in Iraq from Wikipedia has direct quotes from US military personnel(Including a Lt. Colonel) admitting to the use of WP in Fallujah.


    It doesn't matter what US troops "said". The stupid cünts lie about everything anyway. It doesn't MATTER that people were gathered in the streets looking for trouble. It doesn't MATTER that a bunch of trigger-happy scumbags from Blackwater were pushed, screaming back into their burning SUV and then dismembered because they liked to roam the streets acting as if they were bulletproof and harassing people.

    US military persons and their mercenary sidekicks from DynCorp, Blackwater and Triple Canopy have invaded and are occupying a country. You can talk till you're blue in the face about insurgencies or terrorists or whatever. The fact remains that Iraq is a country that was INVADED by foreign powers. If you don't want to accept this, or if you have a problem with them bombing and killing the occupiers in order to get them out then I really don't give a toss. Iraq....invaded. Iraqis...resisting. End of story.

    And please, spare me the "we're building schools" crap or the "Saddam is gone" nonsense.


    I laughed when I saw a charred leg hanging from that bridge in Fallujah. The standard US Army guy loathes these Blackwater assholes. They drink a bottle of Jack and then go out, armed to the teeth, crashing their armoured hummers into people, they shoot without provocation, and they are unaccountable. May MANY more die screaming.


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