Iranian security beat up protester

20Cent · 10-06-2010 11:09am #1

Are we a sovereign nation or not?
Looks like our guests can't behave themselves.
Israel abusing our citizens and passports.
Iranian security beat up a protester in front on Gardai/tv cameras and they do nothing. Maybe they have diplomatic immunity but what the hell were the Gardai doing.
09/06 nine O'clock news at about 19.20 on rte player.

Grumpypants · 10-06-2010 11:26am

Are you sure thats right i looked up six one news on the 9th at that time its something about the leaving cert ??

20Cent · 10-06-2010 11:28am

Sorry nine o clock news will edit op.

wes · 10-06-2010 11:29am

Yeah, we should do something, but I think diplomatic immunity probably limits our options. Certainly, this kind of behaviour is unacceptabel from any security guards.

Grumpypants · 10-06-2010 11:56am

I like the bit where the guard comes in and says "hey stop it now"

Someone should explain that they might get away with this kind of thing at home but here its not acceptable and should be made issue and appoligy.

Merch · 10-06-2010 12:05pm

Any footage?

Nodin · 10-06-2010 12:20pm

Merch wrote: »

Any footage?

Play the section "UNSC backs new sanctions....", its in there

http://www.rte.ie/news/9news/

Disgraceful really. There was no need to go in that hard on the man, he made no attempt to attack the minister. A good armlock and a shove out the door was all that was needed.

Run_to_da_hills · 10-06-2010 1:25pm

Also here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6qNpY-dZv8&feature=player_embedded#!

prinz · 10-06-2010 1:55pm

Up to the government this one lads. They could declare the security guards to be unwanted in this State and inform Iran, giving them a certain time period to withdraw the security staff from the country or they would face arrest and deportation.

10-06-2010 2:07pm

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Also here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6qNpY-dZv8&feature=player_embedded#!

I watched this, and I fail to see any brutality by the Iranian security. The guy inside the place might not have been hitting out while being removed, but he sure as hell didn't comply. I didn't see any punches, kicks, or such. He was manhandled, which is fair enough in the circumstances.

If anything the part at the end when they go outside shows two Gardai wrestling someone into a van shows more aggression.

You're blowing this out of proportion. :rolleyes:

dvpower · 10-06-2010 2:31pm

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I watched this, and I fail to see any brutality by the Iranian security. The guy inside the place might not have been hitting out while being removed, but he sure as hell didn't comply. I didn't see any punches, kicks, or such. He was manhandled, which is fair enough in the circumstances.

If anything the part at the end when they go outside shows two Gardai wrestling someone into a van shows more aggression.

You're blowing this out of proportion. :rolleyes:

There was a point at about 50s where there was maybe a mild assault. I didn't see anyone being 'beat up'.

There was a point where they manhandled, with the aid of a Guard, a protester out of the room. Since there were Gardai present, they should probably have left it entirely to the Gardai.

I'd be uncomfortable with foreign security personnel taking any action against anyone, expecially where the lawful authorities are present.

Cuddlesworth · 10-06-2010 2:42pm

dvpower wrote: »

There was a point at about 50s where there was maybe a mild assault. I didn't see anyone being 'beat up'.

There was a point where they manhandled, with the aid of a Guard, a protester out of the room. Since there were Gardai present, they should probably have left it entirely to the Gardai.

I'd be uncomfortable with foreign security personnel taking any action against anyone, expecially where the lawful authorities are present.

I have seen bouncers do far worse in public.

prinz · 10-06-2010 2:45pm

There was allegations that one of the protestors was pushed down a full or part flight of stairs. No video of that.

Edit: Meh see it now, not as serious as I first thought.

20Cent · 10-06-2010 2:55pm

You can see one of the thugs boot him in the back on the way down the stairs. They should have been arrested and charged immediatly or else kicked out of the country.
Enough thugs here already.

10-06-2010 3:02pm

dvpower wrote: »

There was a point at about 50s where there was maybe a mild assault. I didn't see anyone being 'beat up'.

Exactly, and yet how many posters here are ranting about such behavior? :rolleyes:

The only "evidence" we have that the protester was kicked or punched was the comment by RTE themselves. There was no such video footage, and lets face it, they would have shown it if they had it. Also the comment about being pushed down the stairs? It looks more like the protester was running down the stairs with the security coming behind, after he'd been ejected from the room.

There was a point where they manhandled, with the aid of a Guard, a protester out of the room. Since there were Gardai present, they should probably have left it entirely to the Gardai.

I'd be uncomfortable with foreign security personnel taking any action against anyone, expecially where the lawful authorities are present.

I'd agree except it was an occasion where the Iranian Minister was present, and the Iranian security were still going to be responsible for his safety. If it was some public event, then I'd have no problem with saying they were out of line. However this was a very specific event, and frankly the security were in their rights to take anyone out who was causing a disturbance.

The people who were protesting outside were fine to do so in my eyes. But anybody who went inside is looking to create a sensation of some sort. The two protesters resisted being removed, and thats always going to result in force being used.

That it was the Iranian security that took action instead of the Gardai is a moot point. The protesters shouldn't have been there, and they were removed. Simple.

10-06-2010 3:03pm

20Cent wrote: »

You can see one of the thugs boot him in the back on the way down the stairs. They should have been arrested and charged immediatly or else kicked out of the country.
Enough thugs here already.

Ahh yes, Like the guy who kicks out at the cars as they're pulling away.. lovely.

prinz · 10-06-2010 3:05pm

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Ahh yes, Like the guy who kicks out at the cars as they're pulling away.. lovely.

How do you know he wasn't one of those arrested?

10-06-2010 3:11pm

prinz wrote: »

How do you know he wasn't one of those arrested?

I don't. Do you?

And as for a single supposed kick at a protester, hardly grounds from being arrested and kicked out of the country. The security did their jobs.

ejmaztec · 10-06-2010 3:12pm

The authorities obviously wanted the Iranians to feel at home, so didn't intervene.

Fuhrer · 10-06-2010 3:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't. Do you?

And as for a single supposed kick at a protester, hardly grounds from being arrested and kicked out of the country. The security did their jobs.

Its securitys job to kick people in the back as they are walking down stairs in the opposite direction?

prinz · 10-06-2010 3:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't. Do you?

Nope, then again like I said the gardaí did their jobs.

Deleted User wrote: »

And as for a single supposed kick at a protester, hardly grounds from being arrested and kicked out of the country. The security did their jobs.

They may well have over stepped the mark. It is up to the gardaí to enforce the law of the land. It is not up to diplomatic security to throw hecklers out of a public forum. Was it invitation only? AFAIK it was open to anyone interested to attend.

20Cent · 10-06-2010 3:15pm

The guy who kicked the car at the end got grabbed by gardai.
The guys who manhandled two others off scot free.

Why is everyone so down on anger?
Its a legitimate expression, especially in this case.
The guys country has been taken over by a dictatorship that kills and tortures people. He has every right to be angry. He composed himself very well imho.
Should he just stand outside with a sign like a good little citizen?

10-06-2010 3:19pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

Its securitys job to kick people in the back as they are walking down stairs in the opposite direction?

Walking? Ahh yes, he was taking a slow calming stroll through the park, when these security guards jumped him for no reason.

1. He was in a place he shouldn't been unless he was willing to keep his mouth shut.
2. He shouted abuse and accusations in a forum totally unrelated to his issues.
3. He resisted being removed from the room.
4. And when removed from the room, he's starts to leg it down the stairs to avoid being held by them. (And I've ran down stairs in those older buildings before, and fell without about coming after me)

I don't really get why you seem to want to believe protesters to be absent of the responsibility for their actions/decisions. He placed himself in a position to receive attention by security or Gardai. He got it.

prinz · 10-06-2010 3:21pm

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I don't really get why you seem to want to believe protesters to be absent of the responsibility for their actions/decisions. He placed himself in a position to receive attention by security or Gardai. He got it.

Attention from gardaí yes. The attention he got from Iranian security guards - no. They over stepped their mandate IMO.

Fuhrer · 10-06-2010 3:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't really get why you seem to want to believe protesters to be absent of the responsibility for their actions/decisions. He placed himself in a position to receive attention by security or Gardai. He got it.

Because he was thrown out and was leaving?

What reason did the Security guard have to kick him down the stairs?

10-06-2010 3:22pm

prinz wrote: »

They may well have over stepped the mark. It is up to the gardaí to enforce the law of the land. It is not up to diplomatic security to throw hecklers out of a public forum. Was it invitation only? AFAIK it was open to anyone interested to attend.

Open for anyone to attend and obey the rules of the forum. Oh, I guess there's a rule which says anyone can break into heckling the speaker, and causing a disturbance. If he hadn't caused a problem, he wouldn't have been ejected.

The guy who kicked the car at the end got grabbed by gardai.
The guys who manhandled two others off scot free.

Which neither of us know for certain.

Should he just stand outside with a sign like a good little citizen?

Simply put. Yes

prinz · 10-06-2010 3:23pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Open for anyone to attend and obey the rules of the forum. Oh, I guess there's a rule which says anyone can break into heckling the speaker, and causing a disturbance. If he hadn't caused a problem, he wouldn't have been ejected.

That's the role of the gardaí.

10-06-2010 3:25pm

Fuhrer wrote: »

Because he was thrown out and was leaving?

What reason did the Security guard have to kick him down the stairs?

Kick him down the stairs? Hardly. The camera showed no such actions. The possibility of a kick being thrown at him at one stage, but your comment throws up images of someone being chased down a stairs with kicks raining from all directions.

Tell me something. Do you believe he would have left on his own, if the security guards had just ejected him from the room, and then returned inside?

Fuhrer · 10-06-2010 3:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Open for anyone to attend and obey the rules of the forum. Oh, I guess there's a rule which says anyone can break into heckling the speaker, and causing a disturbance. If he hadn't caused a problem, he wouldn't have been ejected.

Theres a rule that says that once someone breaks the rule Security thugs have carte blanche to do what they want?

prinz · 10-06-2010 3:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Tell me something. Do you believe he would have left on his own, if the security guards had just ejected him from the room, and then returned inside?

The security guards should have left the people with authority eject and escort the man from the premises.

10-06-2010 3:27pm

prinz wrote: »

That's the role of the gardaí.

Any idea if its not the role of the security of any visiting minister when he's in attendance? Somehow I suspect American security would behave just the same if it had been one of their ministers getting such a reaction, or the British, etc.

Iranian security beat up protester

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