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Racist Unionists in the North of Ireland

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    #32
    Overheal
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    #33
    PaulieD
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    Overheal wrote: »
    There ya go.

    What do you mean by that? What was wrong with my post?


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    #34
    Dinter
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Its a matter of time before hatecrime sprees start happening in Dublin.

    Possibly but on the same hand I don't think there are any youth organisations going to be issuing threats against immigrants down here. Nor do I believe we're going to see the same level of organisation as the Republic does not have recently unemployed gangs of practised intimidators at a loose end.


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    #35
    Overheal
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    PaulieD wrote:
    What do you mean by that? What was wrong with my post?
    Just agreeing with you.


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    #36
    PrivateEye
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    Irish nationalism is actually unique in a European context in that its roots are within the left and not the right. If you identify as a 'nationalist' in many parts of Europe odds are you're centre-right at least. In Ireland, most nationalist groups (Sinn Féin, Eirigí....) are clearly anti-racist and aligned on the left. Again, its the superiority compex, and siege mentality that tends to go hand in hand with Ulster Unionism that creates far-right pockets in that community.

    In the height of a recession the Immigration Control Platform still performed rubbishly in Ireland, while the far-right cleaned up in Europe.


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    #37
    K-9
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    PaulieD wrote: »
    We need a clear debate on immigration, free from those with agendas

    That's is a few about here ruled out then.

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    #38
    conchubhar1
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    we elected some center and lef wing meps

    europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)


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    #39
    markopantelic
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    same with netherlands.


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    K-9
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    PrivateEye wrote: »
    Irish nationalism is actually unique in a European context in that its roots are within the left and not the right. If you identify as a 'nationalist' in many parts of Europe odds are you're centre-right at least. In Ireland, most nationalist groups (Sinn Féin, Eirigí....) are clearly anti-racist and aligned on the left. Again, its the superiority compex, and siege mentality that tends to go hand in hand with Ulster Unionism that creates far-right pockets in that community.

    In the height of a recession the Immigration Control Platform still performed rubbishly in Ireland, while the far-right cleaned up in Europe.

    It tends to show itself in EU Referenda when people discard the party lines.

    FF, FG & Labour are still the dominant parties despite the PD's, Greens, SF and a few other parties throughout ROI history.

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    #41
    conchubhar1
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    the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

    did netherlands elect some left wing meps?


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    #42
    PaulieD
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    K-9 wrote: »
    That's is a few about here ruled out then.

    Very true, immigration and its impacts have never, and I repeat never, been brought up in Leinster House during the last five years. Just how out of touch are these gombeens?

    People on here seem to think we can mirror the USA and allow a myraid of cultures settle here, they are forgetting Montana, who have a similar population to Ireland, is ten times the size of Ireland.

    Just how many foreigners can we absorb? Have we reached breaking point already?


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    #43
    K-9
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    we elected some center and lef wing meps

    europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)
    markopantelic wrote: »
    same with netherlands.

    Barring those 2 exceptions, the far right did not make gains. They tend to be used as protest votes and don't make inroads overall in Europe.

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    #44
    PaulieD
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    markopantelic wrote: »
    same with netherlands.

    How is it in your home country, Latvia, Marko Proud to be Jewish?


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    #45
    K-9
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    we elected some center and lef wing meps

    europe went right - britain went retardly right wing with the bnp(ricks)
    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

    did netherlands elect some left wing meps?
    conchubhar1 wrote:
    the only problem with that is the fact that those three parties are essentially the same party

    Ah right, so you are contradicting your quote above. So basically only 1 left wing MEP was elected, not some.

    Edit: Sorry you did say centrist and left wing.
    PaulieD wrote: »
    Very true, immigration and its impacts have never, and I repeat never, been brought up in Leinster House during the last five years. Just how out of touch are these gombeens?

    People on here seem to think we can mirror the USA and allow a myraid of cultures settle here, they are forgetting Montana, who have a similar population to Ireland, is ten times the size of Ireland.

    Just how many foreigners can we absorb? Have we reached breaking point already?

    Problem is you want to dismiss immigrants themselves from the debate.

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    #46
    markopantelic
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    is that jewish line your party piece or something? getting really stale now tbh.


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    #47
    DoireNod
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    PrivateEye wrote: »
    Still, one can not deny that in the North of Ireland there is a clear division between communities when it comes to the left and the right. When driving to Derry we passed a unionist community where 'F*CK GAZA!' was spraypainted onto a wall in giant letters, with an Israeli flag flying opposite. By 'Free Derry Corner' I seen anti-fascist graffiti and Starry Ploughs flying in the air. Why is there such a divide?
    The divide is there because the problem still exists. In Derry and other areas, nationalists show solidarity to similarly affected (colonialism, unjustified occupation and oppression for example) groups across the world for obvious reasons. However, it seems that unionists, by flying Israeli flags etc. are endorsing the type of mindset that is characterised by aggressive New-Zionism (basically endorsing imperialism?). Either that, or it's just a mindless action. Incidentally, the Starry Plough is a symbol of the Irish Citizen Army and the Irish National Liberation Army.

    Kick the fascists out of every community, before they gain too much influence in any community.
    Agree here. I don't understand how these people get away with such open aggression and blatant racism. Since 'terrorism' is the buzzword nowadays, I am shocked that this youth wing hasn't been branded as terrorist. Although I suppose that by being the youth wing of the UDA they are?


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    #48
    PrivateEye
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    the far right did not make gains

    Yep, they made massive gains. Saying that, I think it was merely as a result of liberal/left governments making up the majority of E.U governments at the time of the elections. There are 'socialists' (To use the term lightly, Gordon Browns party is a 'socialist party' in European terms:rolleyes:) in power all over Europe, so thus the right was due to capitalise on the ill-feeling towards politicians after the heavy-collapse stage of the European economy, merely on the back of being a protest vote.

    Were the far-right in power all over Europe (and lets hope they never are!) its not unlikely Joe Higgins would have a few friends flying to Brussels. Basically, I think it was moreso a good election NOT to be a government figurehead, than a good election to be right-wing.


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    #49
    conchubhar1
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    labour is considered left wing - you know that so petty petty point

    joe is a ledge - didnt vote for him was rooting for him ahead of ryan tho (tit)


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    #50
    PaulieD
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    markopantelic wrote: »
    is that jewish line your party piece or something? getting really stale now tbh.

    I enjoy exposing hypocrites, my Latvian amigo.


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    #51
    conchubhar1
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    you enjoy being an ass by the looks of it


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    #52
    markopantelic
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    Well technically I would probably be your Jewish amigo since that would be my ancestry. Although of course I'm Irish.


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    #53
    K-9
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    PrivateEye wrote: »
    Yep, they made massive gains. Saying that, I think it was merely as a result of liberal/left governments making up the majority of E.U governments at the time of the elections. There are 'socialists' (To use the term lightly, Gordon Browns party is a 'socialist party' in European terms:rolleyes:) in power all over Europe, so thus the right was due to capitalise on the ill-feeling towards politicians after the heavy-collapse stage of the European economy, merely on the back of being a protest vote.

    Were the far-right in power all over Europe (and lets hope they never are!) its not unlikely Joe Higgins would have a few friends flying to Brussels. Basically, I think it was moreso a good election NOT to be a government figurehead, than a good election to be right-wing.

    What massive gains?

    Govt. parties did reasonably ok, barring here and the UK.

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    #54
    conchubhar1
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    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=europe+goes+to+the+right+wing&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    eh..


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    #55
    PrivateEye
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    What massive gains?

    The right did make gains, no doubt about it.

    Look at Law and Justice, the second largest party in the new right-wing block lead by the Tories.
    Jaroslaw Kaczynski, the Law and Justice leader, underlined his mainstream credentials when he appeared in Warsaw with Cameron on 29 May. The former Polish prime minister, whose brother Lech is the Polish president, said: "European institutions should be effective, economical, and aid co-operation between member states. They should never interfere with individual rights or the free market.

    But the following day, at a rally in the city of Bialystock, Kaczynski appeared to revert to type. The Economist quoted him as saying: "If Europe is to be strong, it has to be Christian. And today it is anti-Christian, and especially anti-Catholic."

    When you add to this the fact the BNP has taken two seats, and look at groups like the Tradition and Sovereignty Group in Bulgaria taken seats, you have to see the recent European elections were good for the far-right.

    I refuse to think this is because they offer something (they don't, clearly) but rather the fact people merely made a protest-vote against the (by and large) liberal governments of Europe.


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    #56
    K-9
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    PrivateEye wrote: »
    The right did make gains, no doubt about it.

    Look at Law and Justice, the second largest party in the new right-wing block lead by the Tories.



    When you add to this the fact the BNP has taken two seats, and look at groups like the Tradition and Sovereignty Group in Bulgaria taken seats, you have to see the recent European elections were good for the far-right.

    The Tories just shifted party.

    The problem far right and Nationnalistic groups have is ironically enough, in-fighting and splits. They never stick together! LOL

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    herya
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    PrivateEye wrote: »
    But the following day, at a rally in the city of Bialystock, Kaczynski appeared to revert to type. The Economist quoted him as saying: "If Europe is to be strong, it has to be Christian. And today it is anti-Christian, and especially anti-Catholic."

    He's generally laughed at in Poland - together with his brother they are the butt of jokes. His party lost votes in EU election and other smaller right-wing parties were completely obliterated. The winning party the Civic Platform (who gained a lot) is a liberal-conservative free market party. Poland is not a good example here (yup I'm PL).


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    K-9
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    conchubhar1 wrote: »
    http://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en-us&q=europe+goes+to+the+right+wing&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

    eh..

    LOL at the search term.

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    #59
    magick
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    Northern Ireland is only for white British.

    And the California for Irish, see i can do it too!


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    #60
    PaulieD
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    magick wrote: »
    And the California for Irish, see i can do it too!

    Why do people on here crave "a thanks". Irish are a mere 1% of California, while the Mexicans, often illegal, are the majority.


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    PaulieD
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    herya wrote: »
    He's generally laughed at in Poland - together with his brother they are the butt of jokes. His party lost votes in EU election and other smaller right-wing parties were completely obliterated. The winning party the Civic Platform (who gained a lot) is a liberal-conservative free market party. Poland is not a good example here (yup I'm PL).

    I would laugh at them to. Just out of interest, how may Polish reside in Ireland?

    Is it 63,000 as the census suggests or over 200,000 as Conor Lenihan estimates?


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