Nickola Telsa/NASA free energy coverup

trentf · 11-11-2008 7:30pm #1

Part of the overall agenda to keep humanity trapped in servitute, the suppression of free energy

In case you never heard of this guy and his work, you certainly won't have heard of him in your state controlled history books,

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=pTiiblwwLPk

on a related note a video of gary mckinnon the man that was extradited to the u.s for hacking Nasa files and what he found on ufo's and free energy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtQ9roHNcE

enjoy

thecommander · 11-11-2008 8:36pm

trentf wrote: »

on a related note a video of gary mckinnon the man that was extradited to the u.s for hacking Nasa files and what he found on ufo's and free energy

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UDtQ9roHNcE

Why no screen caps of what he saw?

nyarlothothep · 11-11-2008 8:36pm

hey is that Al from Quantum Leap?

humanji · 11-11-2008 9:12pm

trentf wrote: »

In case you never heard of this guy and his work, you certainly won't have heard of him in your state controlled history books,

You give the impression that his life is being covered up. You'll find few history books that give more that a flimsy reference to Eistein, Edison or even Hawking. Tesla was an incredibly well respected inventor who created some amazing things. Sadly, he went off his nut near the end of his life and made wild claims that just lead to people thinking of him as a mad scientist.

When he died the US government raided stole/procured as much of his notes as they could as he'd claimed he'd invented things like force fields and death rays. And you can't really blame them for that since it was 1943 and there was a bit of bother over in Europe.

The man was a genius. He was a nut, yet still a genius. But there is no conspiracy to hide his existence.

trentf · 11-11-2008 10:27pm

damn don't you get tired of the sound of your own voice apparently not, pathological indeed..

Mahatma coat · 11-11-2008 10:40pm

why are people of the opinion that Tesla was Nuts? is it because thats what the Media and the Authorities told you, did you consider that it was to discredit his research and deter people from investigating his claims properly, We cant be havin Free energy now can we, the Lizzzzzards wouldnt like that

nyarlothothep · 11-11-2008 10:43pm

Cool vids. I cross referenced on wiki and true indeed a lot of Telsas work was confiscated by the US government.

The second vid is interesting. If one were to go into imagination mode, it would be possible to speculate that a potential global unification strategy is being implemented in order to prepare humanity for the real space age. We would need to be united as one species when dealing with aliens, as it would probably considered a mark of civilization.

Perhaps the universe has a pulse which Telsa was attuned to. Mayhaps our minds are embedded in the computational output of the universe as a self iterating thing. Could our behaviour be affected by gravitational disturbances if our minds are composed on a quantum level?

King Mob · 11-11-2008 11:27pm

Mahatma coat wrote: »

why are people of the opinion that Tesla was Nuts? is it because thats what the Media and the Authorities told you, did you consider that it was to discredit his research and deter people from investigating his claims properly, We cant be havin Free energy now can we, the Lizzzzzards wouldnt like that

Or maybe it's because he had OCD and yet still produced some of the greatest advances in electricity.

So has anyone produced any of Tesla's blueprints for his deathray?

And does it bear pointing out that free energy is impossible?
Or has everyone accepted that the NWO made up thermodynamics?

humanji · 11-11-2008 11:40pm

trentf wrote: »

damn don't you get tired of the sound of your own voice apparently not, pathological indeed..

If you're allowed to have an opinon, why can't I? Sounds like your involved in some sort of conspiracy to shut me up...

Mahatma coat wrote: »

why are people of the opinion that Tesla was Nuts? is it because thats what the Media and the Authorities told you, did you consider that it was to discredit his research and deter people from investigating his claims properly, We cant be havin Free energy now can we, the Lizzzzzards wouldnt like that

Well the guy was by all accounts fairly odd. He wasn't the stereotypical manically mad scientist hell bent on world domination, but he had many eccentricities that gave some people the impression he was nuts. Nobody ever claimed his early theories were anything other than brilliant (except Edison, but he was an asshole who had a fair amount of animosity towards Tesla).

But as time went on it seemed almost like he was over taken by senility. He fell in love with a cat, I think it was, at one point. He started making all sorts of claims but never showed anything of them. It was because of these claims that his notes were taken after his death, assuming (because of his previous work) that he really did create all these things. Little came of this, but the fact that the US government took them makes people assume that it's all a huge NWO conspiracy as opposed to a government involved in a war trying to get a tactical advantage.

His "Free Energy" theories were still just theories. The wireless electricity that he developed earlier was and is a fairly sound development, but if you owned an electrical company, why in the name of god would you give it away when it costs you so much to create it? It doesn't make any sort of sense to do it because you'd go bust.

But again, people have mistaken simple greed for a conspiracy.

It would be in peoples interests to go and research Tesla's life instead of watching a TV show that is designed to sensationalise things rather than explain facts. The real story is a hell of a lot more interesting.

Mahatma coat · 12-11-2008 12:17am

King Mob, its not Free energy, much in the same way that Solar is not FREE energy

the_syco · 12-11-2008 12:19am

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niagara_Falls

When Nikola Tesla, for whom a memorial was later built at Niagara Falls, NY (USA), invented the three-phase system of alternating current power transmission, distant transfer of electricity became possible.

The greatest among all the recognitions, however, is the one given to him posthumously (in 1960) by the International Commision for Electrical Engineering, at its session in Philadelphia. That Commision decided that the unit of magnetic induction is to be universaly called Unit "tesla" (as well as formula)

Lots more : http://www.teslasociety.com

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To date, still love the electric car story: http://www.keelynet.com/energy/teslafe1.htm

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Pretty sure the U.S. Patent Office has 1,200 patents registered in the name of Nikola Tesla.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-11-2008 12:28am

Something i've quoted before in relation to Tesla said by Bruce Feristein (albeit written into a Bond script) is that “The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.”

When he got it right, he was lauded as a genius. When he inevitably got it wrong, he was decried as a mad man. From what i've read, it seems, like many intellectuals, he suffered an obsession or maybe addiction to scientific advance.

I wouldn't be inclined to believe any conspiracy theories about free energy to be quite honest.

conceited · 12-11-2008 1:01am

Something i've quoted before in relation to Tesla said by Bruce Feristein (albeit written into a Bond script) is that “The distance between insanity and genius is measured only by success.”

kind of like when he's good he's english, but, when he's crap he's irish.

the_syco · 12-11-2008 1:04am

Well, would you believe in a Permanent Magnet Motor* that could last for maybe 99 years without stopping, and not needing any outside electricity to help it run?

*

trick question. it exists, and is proven to work. US Patent # 4,151,431 - April 24, 1979

lemd · 12-11-2008 1:11am

He was a genius alright but some of his later ideas were a bit strange. There is a great mythos built up around the man but i don't think there is any conspiracy. Like other posters have said the government confiscated his work on the strength of his past achievements hoping his more improbable claims would also bear fruit.
Anyway here are some interesting links about the man and his ideas
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=610
http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=703

Kernel · 12-11-2008 4:13am

humanji wrote: »

His "Free Energy" theories were still just theories. The wireless electricity that he developed earlier was and is a fairly sound development, but if you owned an electrical company, why in the name of god would you give it away when it costs you so much to create it? It doesn't make any sort of sense to do it because you'd go bust.

But again, people have mistaken simple greed for a conspiracy.

Well, JP Morgan pulled the plug on the Tesla tower pretty quick, allegedly because of the fact that he couldn't charge people for the electricity and he had investments in electrical power plants. Wasn't Tesla's idea for wireless electricity that he could draw it from the Earth itself and use the ionosphere to store & distribute it (HAARP?)?

If people/corporations act to suppress a technology or scientific advance in order to maximise their profits then it is a conspiracy, and a vile one at that. Remember that wars are being fought for oil.

humanji · 12-11-2008 10:20am

But pulling out of a project because you don't see anyway of making a profit from it is a hell of a lot different to actively suppressing the technology. It's just good business sense. It's still fairly selfish, but you don't get rich by giving your money away.

Everyone is free to develop wireless electricity if they want. It just so happens that nobody with money is investing in it because it's just not worth it for them. There was a time when people would be more than happy to try and make the world a better place for everyone, but capitalism has taken over. It's just not financially viable to be charitable.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-11-2008 10:58am

the_syco wrote: »

Well, would you believe in a Permanent Magnet Motor* that could last for maybe 99 years without stopping, and not needing any outside electricity to help it run?

*
trick question. it exists, and is proven to work. US Patent # 4,151,431 - April 24, 1979

Ya try and couple any sort of energy converter to it and watch it grind to halt.

Trev M · 12-11-2008 12:29pm

Sean_K wrote: »

Ya try and couple any sort of energy converter to it and watch it grind to halt.

Nothing as bad as ruining the truth with more truth ...damn reality

bonkey · 12-11-2008 8:22pm

humanji wrote: »

Everyone is free to develop wireless electricity if they want. It just so happens that nobody with money is investing in it because it's just not worth it for them.

Not entirely accurate.

People are investing money in it...thats not the problem. The problem is that while its technically possible, its bloody inefficient and quite difficult to make work.

MIT were playing with resonant induction in 2007. In 2008, Intel used the same theory to show a wireless lightbulb working at a "whopping" 75% efficiency.

Its cool stuff...but its a hell of a lot harder to make work than Tesla thought.

nyarlothothep · 12-11-2008 8:31pm

humanji wrote: »

But pulling out of a project because you don't see anyway of making a profit from it is a hell of a lot different to actively suppressing the technology. It's just good business sense. It's still fairly selfish, but you don't get rich by giving your money away.

Everyone is free to develop wireless electricity if they want. It just so happens that nobody with money is investing in it because it's just not worth it for them. There was a time when people would be more than happy to try and make the world a better place for everyone, but capitalism has taken over. It's just not financially viable to be charitable.

That doesn't excuse not investing in it. Everyone should improve the world for future generations and for ourselves collectively, its logical, the needs of the many outweigh the greed of the few. Capitalism something we created and perpetuate, its not a monstrous vengeful god to be appeased.

nyarlothothep · 12-11-2008 8:32pm

bonkey wrote: »

Not entirely accurate.

People are investing money in it...thats not the problem. The problem is that while its technically possible, its bloody inefficient and quite difficult to make work.

MIT were playing with resonant induction in 2007. In 2008, Intel used the same theory to show a wireless lightbulb working at a "whopping" 75% efficiency.

Its cool stuff...but its a hell of a lot harder to make work than Tesla thought.

I think this is more the reason for it.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 12-11-2008 8:35pm

nyarlothothep wrote: »

That doesn't excuse not investing in it. Everyone should improve the world for future generations and for ourselves collectively, its logical, the needs of the many outweigh the greed of the few. Capitalism something we created and perpetuate, its not a monstrous vengeful god to be appeased.

That's all well and good on paper but we are living in a world of economic constraint. Socialism don't work.

That said, FIGHT THE POWAH:p

nyarlothothep · 12-11-2008 8:45pm

Sean_K wrote: »

That's all well and good on paper but we are living in a world of economic constraint. Socialism don't work.

That said, FIGHT THE POWAH:p

Mostly created and sustained by us. I'm thinking of things like food mountains, ridiculous amounts of pollution, deforestation, these practices are insane. We don't have a sustainable economic system in place. I'm for trade but not for irresponsible law of the jungle capitalism. A planetary recession is going to have a huge negative impact. Also the social fallout from a lot of commercial practices is totally criminal. There is no justification for it. These types of behaviour must be brought to account and it can and is being done. Preserving a spirit of social justice and engagement is necessary.

We are quite possibly the only species aware of its own evolutionary past, present future. We therefore have the power to determine our future. Shall we be servile automata to pre-existing natural laws or do we choose to become the next step in evolutionary history, do we choose to represent the emergence of true civilization. We know of nothing ahead of us so we have nothing to compare ourselves to in terms of assessing our future. Nothing is fixed, capitalism in its present form is often talked about like its the end point in history, which is an assumption.

the_syco · 12-11-2008 9:12pm

bonkey wrote: »

Its cool stuff...but its a hell of a lot harder to make work than Tesla thought.

I'd say he had it worked out. We're trying to redo his experiments by hit and miss. Tesla would rather calculate the possibility of something working (i.e. mathematical investigation) than the hit and miss technique of constant experimentation.

oscarBravo · 12-11-2008 9:23pm

the_syco wrote: »

I'd say he had it worked out. We're trying to redo his experiments by hit and miss. Tesla would rather calculate the possibility of something working (i.e. mathematical investigation) than the hit and miss technique of constant experimentation.

Which is a perfectly valid approach - if he was aware of all the variables, and factored them into his calculations.

bonkey · 12-11-2008 9:40pm

the_syco wrote: »

I'd say he had it worked out.

I'd be correct that this is a belief have, rather than an evidence-backed position?

We're trying to redo his experiments by hit and miss.

Yes and no. We're trying to redo his experiments based on his notes, his patent applications, and our more-complete understanding of the physical phenomena involved.

Tesla would rather calculate the possibility of something working (i.e. mathematical investigation) than the hit and miss technique of constant experimentation.

Really? I never knew that about him. It striles me as somewhat incongruous, considering that he's remembered as a scientist and eingeer, rather than as a mathematician.

More accurately - my understanding is that the things for which Tesla is non-controversially famous are those where he engaged in that whole "hit and miss" thing of experimentation. Those where he is controversially famous are where he made claims and neither provided functioning experiments nor detailed mathematics.

Mahatma coat · 15-11-2008 2:49am

for a start to comprehending Tesla's 'Cosmic Radiation Generators' try building a crystal set radio. much of the principals are the same, just smaller numbers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio

the_syco · 09-04-2009 5:36pm

Seems MIT researchers have done what Tesla did with wireless electricity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiTricity

robtri · 10-04-2009 11:59am

the_syco wrote: »

Well, would you believe in a Permanent Magnet Motor* that could last for maybe 99 years without stopping, and not needing any outside electricity to help it run?

*
trick question. it exists, and is proven to work. US Patent # 4,151,431 - April 24, 1979

any fool can get a patent number, you don't need to prove it works...especially in 1979....

jackiebrown · 10-04-2009 12:40pm

Anyone know if there is a blueprint or even a simple design of the wardenclyffe tower.? Had a look but cant find one.

Nickola Telsa/NASA free energy coverup

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