BMW M3 Vs. Nissan Skyline GTR V-SPEC

Dasilva94 · 13-02-2008 12:10am #1

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=802993

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=584587

Given a choice, what car would you guys pick,
and why? :cool:

mick.fr · 13-02-2008 12:26am

Not really 2 cars we usually compare although the Nissan has outstanding performances. Weird configuration for the Nissan though V8 engine with a 2.5l cc.
I am more a bimmer's guy myself and for me the Nissan does not look as sexy as a E46 M3.

SouperComputer · 13-02-2008 12:27am

M3, lighter & handles better. Yea the skyline has more overall grip but thats not what I'm getting at.

Two very different cars tho, its a pretty personal choice.

Stephen · 13-02-2008 12:33am

mick.fr wrote: »

Weird configuration for the Nissan though V8 engine with a 2.5l cc.

The Skyline GT-R's engine is a 2.6L twin-turbo straight six. The car is AWD as well, which may influence your decision.

mick.fr · 13-02-2008 12:33am

This M3 by the way has been for sale for months now...

mick.fr · 13-02-2008 12:34am

Stephen wrote: »

The Skyline GT-R's engine is a 2.6L twin-turbo straight six. The car is AWD as well, which may influence your decision.

Yes exactly I wanted to make sure you guys were following :-)

Kidding you right got the wrong information from a crap website.

JHMEG · 13-02-2008 12:50am

The Japanese have a name for the R34 GTR: Godzilla.. What do the Germans call the M3.. "der M3"? zzzz! There really is no comparison.

Stock the Skyline would trounce the M3 in all real life situations, and is a close match to the Honda NSX-R. Take it to the 'ring and watch it blow M3s into the weeds.

The Skyline was also built to be very easily modified, and for a few quid you could have yourself 1000bhp.

It's also one of few Japanese cars that looks Japanese. The designers were told that it would be the pride of Japan and to make it look Japanese. To me it looks menacing!

I was looking late last year at a 550whp UK-spec '02 GTR R34, but unfortunately didn't have €55 grand to spare.

S.I.R · 13-02-2008 12:53am

i'd pick neither , both are the most un-desireable models of there ranges... gimme a R32 or a e30 any day

JHMEG wrote: »

The Japanese have a name for the R34 GTR: Godzilla.. What do the Germans call the M3.. "der M3"? zzzz! There really is no comparison.

Stock the Skyline would trounce the M3 in all real life situations, and is a close match to the Honda NSX-R. Take it to the 'ring and watch it blow M3s into the weeds.

The Skyline was also built to be very easily modified, and for a few quid you could have yourself 1000bhp.

It's also one of few Japanese cars that looks Japanese. The designers were told that it would be the pride of Japan and to make it look Japanese. To me it looks menacing!

I was looking late last year at a 550whp UK-spec '02 GTR R34, but unfortunately didn't have €55 grand to spare.

one word , lmao , you honestly dont have a clue because to get to 1000 hp ( with nitrous ) your looking at 20,000 basic. You cant insure it and the skyline is pretty rubbish on cuircuts ( or my exp with mondello anyways )

sure you can hit 400 hp straight away by chipping it and pushing the boost up 0.5 psi but then you need anti lag , then you need more power so you get forged pistons and cams then you need even more so you buy some Gready T-66's and you think " s*** im only at 600 hjp , need some naws " you add some and hit 800 hp.... but by then you can mod it anymore unless your rich like bertie ahern or the hutch.

in short - keep watching the fast and the furious movies kid

Dasilva94 · 13-02-2008 1:29am

JHMEG wrote: »

The Japanese have a name for the R34 GTR: Godzilla.. What do the Germans call the M3.. "der M3"? zzzz! There really is no comparison.

Stock the Skyline would trounce the M3 in all real life situations, and is a close match to the Honda NSX-R. Take it to the 'ring and watch it blow M3s into the weeds.

The Skyline was also built to be very easily modified, and for a few quid you could have yourself 1000bhp.

It's also one of few Japanese cars that looks Japanese. The designers were told that it would be the pride of Japan and to make it look Japanese. To me it looks menacing!

I was looking late last year at a 550whp UK-spec '02 GTR R34, but unfortunately didn't have €55 grand to spare.

Yeah but what would the insurance be after you do the 1000bhp mod, unless you're able to could keep it stock, until you get to the Nürburgring Norddschleife track, or some nomal track?

Dasilva94 · 13-02-2008 2:21am

I'm thinking the Golf R32 4WD, might not be too bad car either.

This video gives a good view of the car, with flipper shift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gbtRi02ukQ

Plug · 13-02-2008 8:47am

The M3 is built with alot more quality than that ship of a thing. I'd pick an M3 over that any day. Someone said tuning the skyline. Put a supercharger in the M3 for €7000 grand and there you have 500hp+ under the bonnet and it can still handle. Its an m3 with an ESS supercharger that has the nurburgring record and its road legal and you dont have to pour water on the intercooler each time you go over 170mph:rolleyes:

rabbitinlights · 13-02-2008 10:14am

Plug wrote: »

Its an m3 with an ESS supercharger that has the nurburgring record

What record is that?

joedumper · 13-02-2008 11:01am

Really not meaning to offend anyone...........

but there are some very mixed up "facts" being thrown around here

cpoh1 · 13-02-2008 11:17am

joedumper wrote: »

Really not meaning to offend anyone...........

but there are some very mixed up "facts" being thrown around here

Amen to that!

The skyline is RWD in everyday use, the front wheels only kick in when traction is lost at the back through an electronically controlled system nissan called ATTESA-ETS.

Its light years ahead of the M3 from a performance point of view but as an everyday car the M3 would be my choice because of its creature comforts. But give me a choice between my car and an M3 for a blast down a backroad and I know what id be in.

Someone mentioned the skyline was rubbish on circuits because theyve had "experience" of them at mondello, mondello is little more than a glorified go kart track! The skyline has proved over the years on real tracks what its capable of.

Biro · 13-02-2008 1:56pm

I love M3's, but I'd take the R34 GTR any day and twice on Sunday! I'd like the V-Spec II though.

fabsoul · 13-02-2008 4:26pm

If i had the choice of the two cars it would be the M3 easy.

Cyrus · 13-02-2008 6:38pm

JHMEG wrote: »

The Japanese have a name for the R34 GTR: Godzilla.. What do the Germans call the M3.. "der M3"? zzzz! There really is no comparison.

Stock the Skyline would trounce the M3 in all real life situations, and is a close match to the Honda NSX-R. Take it to the 'ring and watch it blow M3s into the weeds.

The Skyline was also built to be very easily modified, and for a few quid you could have yourself 1000bhp.

It's also one of few Japanese cars that looks Japanese. The designers were told that it would be the pride of Japan and to make it look Japanese. To me it looks menacing!

I was looking late last year at a 550whp UK-spec '02 GTR R34, but unfortunately didn't have €55 grand to spare.

a stock 280bhp r34 will trounce an m3, how pray tell?

Plug · 13-02-2008 8:07pm

rabbitinlights wrote: »

What record is that?

Quickest around the track for a production car. Bet zonda's, ferrari's, the whole lot:eek:

cpoh1 · 13-02-2008 8:16pm

Cyrus wrote: »

a stock 280bhp r34 will trounce an m3, how pray tell?

Why pray tell by driving it like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaxRPgzkqXc

Ill save you the hassle of watching it, the V-SPEC II laps the Tsubka circuit in japan a full 5 seconds quicker than the m3 over 3 laps. Why the evo7, impreza, nsx and carrera are all faster than the M3.

Plug · 13-02-2008 8:45pm

Its 4 wheel drive, the jap will have the upper hand. A golf R32 is quicker than an m3 around the top gear track becasue it is 4 wheel drive and also the golf has about 100hp less.
If that track had to be like sukuka track in japan the m3 would have been up front near the porshe.

Now an M3 csl, well thats a different storey:cool:

Cyrus · 13-02-2008 9:20pm

cpoh1 wrote: »

Why pray tell by driving it like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WaxRPgzkqXc

Ill save you the hassle of watching it, the V-SPEC II laps the Tsubka circuit in japan a full 5 seconds quicker than the m3 over 3 laps. Why the evo7, impreza, nsx and carrera are all faster than the M3.

on that particular track, im sure theres a german track somewhere that an m3 will beat a stock gtr convincingly

E92 · 13-02-2008 9:30pm

Cyrus wrote: »

on that particular track, im sure theres a german track somewhere that an m3 will beat a stock gtr convincingly

The M3 gets around the Nurbuergring in the same time as the Skyline GT-R(it is the R32 though, which is a fairly old one IIRC) according to Wikipedia, and the CSL is faster than the R33(no time for the R34).

Biro · 13-02-2008 9:42pm

Cyrus wrote: »

on that particular track, im sure theres a german track somewhere that an m3 will beat a stock gtr convincingly

THE track of tracks happens to be German, and it's the Nordschliffe (spelling might be a bit off!).
The R33 GTR was the first production car ever to lap it in under 8 minutes. The M3 can't do that. (E46). The R34 is quicker again.
Also, Nissan UK reckon the R34 will comfortably and reliably take 400bhp if it's been done professionally!

golfdiva · 13-02-2008 9:58pm

i'd have the skyline .. the holy grail for most car lovers

I think it would be much more user friendly getting all that power down on a day to day basis

conneem-TT · 13-02-2008 10:52pm

BMW would be a more comfortable car(especially against V spec suspension), with a nicer interior, and stock vs stock it would also have better straight line performance.

However the Skyline has great tuning potential.

I never really take notice of track times for cars, as a certain track may suit one car better than another, also conditions can be different for the recorded times.

For example, my 200hp FWD TT is about half a second quicker round the topgear track than an E46 M3, but would be murdered by it in any other instance.

You will probably get a few more "boy racer" dirty looks in the Skyline also :rolleyes:

Andrewf20 · 13-02-2008 11:10pm

Does it really matter which is faster? Id be asking, which will put a bigger smile on your face. Both cars have more than ample performance for Irish roads and track days. Id take the M3 because all magazines rave about it. Id reckon the running cost would be higher and to maintain residuals, you'll really have to keep the service history ship shape, for when it comes to sell it on. Power oversteer should come easier if you really wanted too.

Theboinkmaster · 13-02-2008 11:19pm

Why is everyone bangin on about performance he lives in cork city ffs

M3 all the way

DamoDLK · 13-02-2008 11:30pm

The M3 all the way!!! A car you can drive normally and when your feeling brave you put the foot down! Skyline is too 'boy racery' for me personally, No offence to any Skyline drivers!!!

Re above commert: surely the holy grail for car lovers wouldn't be a soleless jap car!?! how about a Ferarri/Porsche/Aston anyone!?

JHMEG · 13-02-2008 11:36pm

S.I.R wrote: »

sure you can hit 400 hp straight away by chipping it and pushing the boost up 0.5 psi but then you need anti lag , then you need more power so you get forged pistons and cams then you need even more so you buy some Gready T-66's and you think " s*** im only at 600 hjp , need some naws " you add some and hit 800 hp.... but by then you can mod it anymore unless your rich like bertie ahern or the hutch.

LOL! And you're real name is Vin Diesel and you just KNOW these things.

Rowley Birkin QC · 13-02-2008 11:36pm

The youngfella in me says GTR all the way.

The emerging old person says you cant look past something with an M3, M5 or M6 badge.

Then again what do old people know, buy a GTR, keep an eye out for an M3 in a few years time.

JHMEG · 13-02-2008 11:43pm

Skyline is an out and out sportscar.

The M3 is started life as a family saloon, had two doors deleted, big engine and hard suspension added.

From a bit of googling M3 does the 'ring in 8:22, R34 GTR in 7:52.

BMW M3 Vs. Nissan Skyline GTR V-SPEC

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