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26-11-2002, 19:40   #46
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An interesting piece monument. Yes, I'd pretty much trust the BBC more then any other news source. However that piece poses questions without answers. They give both sides of the story without backing either up with hard fact...

So I finished reading it thinking: Well I understand the question now, pity it didnt give me any answers....

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27-11-2002, 00:58   #47
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I imagine the best way to find out what it's all about is to go and join - what harm could it do? You can always leave if you don't like it (can't you?).

And if there is a conspiracy, please tell me. I love conspiracies.

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chick.com, I am still wondering whether it's a beautiful parody or not. Hilarious!
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Who do I trust? Well my old man for one, he's in the brotherhood and is remarkably candid about what goes on. So the facts re: the masons as I understand them:

A: Non sectarian, anyone can join as per my earlier post, I know of Muslim masons. You must seek out membership, they will not approach you. You must be 21 or 18 if you are the son of a mason. You must be of good character, following his assault conviction footballer Duncan Fergusan was denied membership, there is a whole Scottish / English rite thing going on, the Irish Masons resemble the Scottish rite.

B: Mainly charitable in a look out for your own sort of way. The reason my dad joined was because his father was member and kicked the bucket when he was 7. The Masons educated him, there was a masonic school in dublin that is now closed, generally kids whose education is paid for (in Leinster anyway) attend the likes of Kings Hospital and Wesley in Dublin or Wilsons in Westmeath. These days hardship will get your bastard offspring educated privatly. These are "prod" schools, this is because most irish masons are prodtestant (see my earlier post), but if you want your kid to go to Blackrock/Gonzaga/Belvo then it could be acceptable (not clongowes though, ****ing jesuit bastards ) . They have also paid for some ambulances for the Irish Wheelchair Association.

C: Definate Knights Templer ( a Catholic outfit by the way ) connection, there is a book called the Second Messiah that explores this in great detail, its a fantastic read and gives a likely theory on the creation of the shroud of Turin. The English rite tried to suppress this as it offended the English Monarchy who they were trying to court in the 1800's (Prince Phillip is a member by the way) and traces its history to about 1812 or so, the scottish rite goes back to roughly the time that the Templers were destroyed by Phillip the Fair in France. As a result many of the rituals were lost as they might offend royalty ( they mainly dealt with the "true" story of Jesus of Nazarith instead of what orgainised religion has been feeding us for 2000 years) have been lost.

D: There is more too it than meets the eye, my dad is a 4th degree mason (there are 35 levels) and he says that he would not be surprised if there really is some freaky world controlling illuminaty x-files **** going on with the higher ups .

E: My Dad has never expressed an interest/desire for me to join, not interesting but obviously he either wants to protect me from the conspiracy, doesn't think that I'd be into the charity bull**** or doesn't want me in his ****ing club.

It is 2.22, I'm tired, I'm going to bed, some of this may not make sense, this is what I understand to be true. Or maybe I'm a 34th degree brother spouting bull**** to throw you all off of the trail.
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Oh I forgot, my handle. Bill Hicks.

Was referenced in the Preacher comic book.

Agent Smith also refered to humanity as a virus in the Matrix.

But for me, its Bill Hicks.
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So are there any similar organisations for women?
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27-11-2002, 12:29   #51
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Apparently so, but I havent looked into them (being a bloke and all).

Right now I'm fascinated and curious but I'm not about to sign up to anything!!
I am going to go to have a drink this week with my mate and see. As much to buzz my head then to genuinely find out about masonry.

I'm probably thinking about this more along the lines of a Call of Cthulhu investigation (which is a game I have played a lot of!).

Hmmm.... its really hard to know who to trust here but a few friends of mine have fathers in it and they'd be pretty sceptical people and they consider it an old boys club who do the odd good deed to make it more acceptible...

I dunno. I'm going to have a good poke around when I go to the toilets tho

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Looked at their web site yesterday, it does seem like a bunch of harmless old gaffers dressed up like twats - but of course that's what they'd have you believe.

Interesting to find that the Grand Masonic Lodge in Dublin has a mere 67 members, and it's the largest lodge. Even given that this is just one of some 16 Dublin based lodges, the overall membership would be less than the size of your average golf club. Hardly world dominating stuff. Which would also explain their, seeminly genuine, desire for new members.

Oh, Dev, if you are going visiting, maybe you should get a blood test done beforehand. After all, if David Icke is right, and they DO replace you with a 12ft klizard (in disguise) we'd want some way to know if we're getting the real you back.
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So are there any similar organisations for women?
The mothers union and the ICA
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Oh, Dev, if you are going visiting, maybe you should get a blood test done beforehand. After all, if David Icke is right, and they DO replace you with a 12ft klizard (in disguise) we'd want some way to know if we're getting the real you back.

I always wanted to ask David Icke how they could possibly fit a 12 foot lizard inside my weak and puny body. I mean, all my muscles have atrophied from computer use!

Anyway, unless these Lizards have my memory, he's not going to be able to login. (thats if his claws actually can be typed with).

Fvck actually come to think of it being a 12 foot blood drinking lizard would ROCK!

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Freemasonary is an old and honurable organisatio
Membership is open to all "men of integrity and goodwill, irrespective of colour or creed, on condition that they profess a belief in a Supreme Being". How they choose to worship that supreme being is up to them and is of no interest to other masons

I suspose being a mason is a bit like a club for people who share common interests and more importantly beliefs which are :

Brotherly Love : A true Freemason will show tolerance and respect for the opinions of others and behave with kindness and understanding.

Relief :Freemasons are taught to practise charity, and to care, not only for their own, but also for the community as a whole, both by charitable giving, and by voluntary efforts and works as individuals.

Truth :Freemasons strive for truth, requiring high moral standards and aiming to achieve them in their own lives.

Charity:From its earliest days, Freemasonry has been concerned with the care of orphans, the sick and the aged.

Freemasonry and Society:
Freemasonry demands from its members a respect for the law of the land. Freemasonary principles do not in any way conflict with its members' duties as citizens.

The use by a Freemason of their membership to promote his own or anyone else's business, professional or personal interests is condemned, and is contrary to the conditions on which he sought admission to Freemasonry.

Secrecy:
The secrets of Freemasonry are concerned with its traditional modes of recognition. It is not a secret society, since all members are free to acknowledge their membership and will do so in response to inquiries for respectable reasons. Its constitutions and rules are available to the public. There is no secret about any of its aims and principles. Like many other societies, it regards some of its internal affairs as private matters for its members.

Freemasonry and Politics:
Freemasonry is non-political, and the discussion of politics at Masonic meetings is forbidden.

What else can i say

ps the female equivilent is the order of the eastern star
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Thats what I've been told. Can you tell me where your information comes from? You seem reasonable and knowledgeable, I'd like to know your source for this information (either on this thread or via PM)...

Their website expresses such goals too and they seem laudable so its hard to reconcil that with preconceptions I've had...

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These are "prod" schools, this is because most irish masons are prodtestant (see my earlier post), but if you want your kid to go to Blackrock/Gonzaga/Belvo then it could be acceptable (not clongowes though, ****ing jesuit bastards ) .
Actually, ironically Blackrock, Gonzaga AND Belvo are all Jesuit outfits (I went to Belvo myself and thought it a fine school to be honest).
Just thought I'd straighten that out

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Not a member <although intruiged>, but... There is an eserotic side to the masons <i did a fair bit of research into this area> which is freely available to members but not actually a part of the group. Crowley's "Golden Dawn" was in fact a masonic order who had (supposedly) disappeared. Crowley himself was never really a mason however as he had joined a fraud lodge set up by an expelled member. So his Golden Dawn had very little to do with the real one <although I think they shared some of the rituals>.

To conclude, 90% of masonic activities are VERY dull, but if you go looking in the right places i'm sure there are some very interesting 12 foot lizards out there.
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Iam Irish and catholic although I live in Scotland, I was asked by a friend in Ireland if I would be interested in becoming a freemason, and through him and my own research learnt most of what I know. I thought long and hard about joining and talked it through with a few folk and decided I would join but things change and my family and work commitments changed and I decided that I couldnt be able to give the commitment necessary to be an active member. When I went to Scotland I was invited to join a lodge in the town I live in. Can I say that on both occasions I pointed out that I was Irish and Catholic and on both occasions was advised that it didnt matter, because the invite was for me as a person and an individual and not because of any other reason. Since then the number of catholics and irish people I have met who are members is astounding.
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So, the consensus seems to be "misunderstood ... if a little odd..."

I'm going down with my mate to the Grand Lodge for a drink soon, I'll let you all know when I do how it goes. I'm sure (from what I've read) that they are nice enough.

If I'm not back, send the Mythos Investigators after me

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