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26-07-2005, 12:18   #1
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Hi all,

Bit of a n00b down this end of boards.....

I'm a self-employed designer-builder (hand-coder, right?) who's only recently gone w3c compliant. I'm busy too, which is good..... and means I'm learning as I go. But that's never fast enough for me. I've got a pile of bookmarks which I haven't read yet and I don't know when I will get time to.

My reason for posting is to ask this. Is there a "web standards group" out there in the Dublin area? People who are into promoting the w3c way and educating and learning from each other. I'd really like to hook up with some people once a month to get something like this going. Maybe have a couple of talks from members and a question and answer session at each.

And a few pints afterwards....

Failing that, any seminars on that anyone knows of?

*Whooo! gotta change that sig!

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Is there a "web standards group" out there in the Dublin area? People who are into promoting the w3c way and educating and learning from each other.
Sounds cultish.
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As web developers we can't be away from our computers for more then five minutes at a time so we tend not to have ever seen each other in real life

But seriously, I'm not aware of such a cult (oops, I mean Group).
If we do set one up, what color will the robes be?
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If we do set one up, what color will the robes be?
Who cares? That's the graphic designer's problem.
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27-07-2005, 11:00   #6
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Anyway, it would be a very small group. As far as I can see, web standards don't exist here!!

Most of the design companies around have non-compliant websites. And as for the so called leading sites -
Irish Internet Association
IEDR
Ireland.com
RTE
Not one of 'em compliant.

The ony major one that passes is irlgov.ie. At least they got something right.
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Indeed. There is no impetus in that direction..... no pressure on these bodies to set an example

The only reason the government sites are compliant is in case my deaf friend Jim sues them because they couldn't get their tax info in time.....

Which is why I'm looking for those who are interested in making them exist. I expect a lot of the leading web design houses have builders who are compliant, but not broadcasting this except in pitches to clients etc.

There doesn't seem to be any irish focal point for this kind of thing.
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I expect a lot of the leading web design houses have builders who are compliant
But this is my point. I have looked at a load of sites for web designers, and none of them are compliant. I came across one [can't remember now which one] where they bragged about 'designing to the highest standards' but their own site failed. Either designers have never heard of W3C or they just don't care.
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not bothering to learn new things = speed = invoices out the door = moolah

I know what you mean. But I'm saying they know how to do it. But dreamweaver (for example) does it badly and faster
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My current favourite is €ircon's site www.eircom.ie.
In firefox Im shown the message below...

If you pass the URL through W3C validator you get the following 724 errors! (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=ht...sp&Check=Check)
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27-07-2005, 12:15   #11
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LOL

But that brings me to my other bandwaggon - why do so many sites rely on client-side javascript for functionality? I'm not talking rollovers and the like. I mean that if javascript is disabled, then the site doesn't work. Example in point - superquinn4food.ie. A lot of people have JS disabled, and in some cases, corporate policy is to disable JS at the firewall, so employees can't then work the sites.

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not bothering to learn new things = speed = invoices out the door = moolah
right on the nail!
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27-07-2005, 12:20   #12
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Invalid Govt. Sites:-

Dept Of Environment
Dept Of Agriculture
Dept Of Transport
Dept Of Justice
Dept Of Arts, Sports, Tourism
Revenue
oasis.gov.ie
I couldn't be bothered with any other govt depts so tried these (all invalid):-

www.fiannafail.ie
www.finegael.ie (which inciodentally has very little on it!)
www.labour.ie
www.sinnfein.ie
www.progressivedemocrats.ie

the Dept Of Health & kiddies actually validates with XHTML 1.0 strict!!!
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27-07-2005, 12:28   #13
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Hold on there Kbannon. If you are going to list all invalid sites you might as well just Google "website ireland".

List the valid ones - it'll only take half a page.
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I'm interested in web standards. iqcontent sometimes orgainse seminars about that sort of stuff. I have not been to any of them.
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True but my point started out to find govt sites that were invalid as the govt should (in theory) be setting good standards for us all.

(just re-read my text - as this govt has no standards, I shouldn't have expected much!)
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