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27-06-2011, 17:34   #226
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Having been to a few naturist beaches both here and on the continent, I think it fair to say that there is a certain sexual element to being naked in public under the sun (at least for the first few hours), especially coming from such a repressive background, as the old Ireland was.
We are all sexual beings, and I think it is quite normal to want to ‘check each other out’ in some way. Personally, if I see someone taking a discrete peek I tend to take it as a compliment.
That said, I do not for one minute condone the ‘lewd’ behaviour that you see on Irish beaches. If someone wants to get all hot and bothered about the whole thing at least do it somewhere private!
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I cannot say I have ever found Naturism to be a sexual experience, but then I have had Naturist tendencies since a very early age, long before I developed any sexual awareness.

I think you are right when you blame such feelings on a repressed upbringing and equally right when you say that it wears off after a few hours (or minutes according to some I have spoken to). It is a well know fact that boys raised in a puritanical environment have a greater interest in pornography...

As for lewd behaviour, this is not what Naturism is about, but sadly some people think that a Naturist beach is a good place for dogging! To them I will say IT IS NOT! Anyone engaging in such acts is just as unwelcome at a Naturist beach as anywhere else and we are encouraging our members to report any such behaviour to the police. I have seen people arrested as a result of such reports and they have ended up on the sexual offenders register.
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I thought the lack of nudist/nautirst beaches in Ireland was moreso due to the horrible weather than anything else?

Personally, I wouldn't have any kind of problem with it and I think most people wouldn't bat an eyelid.

However, we Irish seem to have some kind of ingrained societal shame when it comes to our bodies (perhaps due to the massive role the church has played in Irish life in the past). Many (mainly older) people are very concerned with "modesty" etc. and I could certainly see these people getting offended. Also there's the issue of parents who don't want their children asking awkward questions.
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I thought the lack of nudist/nautirst beaches in Ireland was moreso due to the horrible weather than anything else?
Doesn't Ireland have a similar climate to England? My recollection of visits in the past is one of a very good climate, but I might have been just lucky?

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Personally, I wouldn't have any kind of problem with it and I think most people wouldn't bat an eyelid.
This is the reaction of the vast majority (88%), if our surveys are anything to go by...

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However, we Irish seem to have some kind of ingrained societal shame when it comes to our bodies (perhaps due to the massive role the church has played in Irish life in the past). Many (mainly older) people are very concerned with "modesty" etc. and I could certainly see these people getting offended. Also there's the issue of parents who don't want their children asking awkward questions.
Pope John Paul II from his book "The Theology of the Body": "The human body can remain nude and uncovered and preserve intact its splendour and its beauty... Nakedness as such is not to be equated with physical shamelessness... Immodesty is present only when nakedness plays a negative role with regard to the value of the person...The human body is not in itself shameful... Shamelessness (just like shame and modesty) is a function of the interior of a person."
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29-06-2011, 12:27   #230
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right when you say that it wears off after a few hours (or minutes according to some I have spoken to).
Yes, I suppose that a few ‘hours’ is a bit of an exaggeration.

‘An hour’ would be more accurate!
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I thought the lack of nudist/nautirst beaches in Ireland was moreso due to the horrible weather than anything else?

Personally, I wouldn't have any kind of problem with it and I think most people wouldn't bat an eyelid.

However, we Irish seem to have some kind of ingrained societal shame when it comes to our bodies (perhaps due to the massive role the church has played in Irish life in the past). Many (mainly older) people are very concerned with "modesty" etc. and I could certainly see these people getting offended. Also there's the issue of parents who don't want their children asking awkward questions.
The Irish climate allows swimming on beaches occasionally and a lot fo people go in for it. A swimsuit doesn't really keep you any warmer.

Agree with the rest of it, but I really think most parents are not that bothered if the kid sees another naked person. Probably see them in swimming pool changign rooms all the time.
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The Irish climate allows swimming on beaches occasionally and a lot fo people go in for it. A swimsuit doesn't really keep you any warmer.

Agree with the rest of it, but I really think most parents are not that bothered if the kid sees another naked person. Probably see them in swimming pool changign rooms all the time.
exactly, go into any swimming pool changing room in the country (male changing rooms at least) and there are people walking around naked and no1 seems to bat an eye... the problem seems to be members of the opposite sex being naked, its all a bit stupid really, its only a body at the end of the day!!
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Just on a, kinda related note. Is Naturism truely an appropriate title for this activity?

If nature intended us to wander around naked wouldn't we be covered in fur or blubber? we're not, so we have to wear clothes to keep warm, thus is it not resonable to say, its not natural?
Not all climates dictate that ‘we be covered in fur or blubber’.

Peoples such as the aborigines, large populations of Africans (where man has supposedly originated), tropical inhabitants etc. etc. regularly go naked on a day-to-day basis.

I think it is VERY natural!
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Not all climates dictate that ‘we be covered in fur or blubber’.

Peoples such as the aborigines, large populations of Africans (where man has supposedly originated), tropical inhabitants etc. etc. regularly go naked on a day-to-day basis.

I think it is VERY natural!
Not quite and it's a needlessly simplistic take IMHO. They go naked or semi naked to our cultural centric eyes. Those cultures have a very definite delineation between the naked and dressed, the public and private, indeed the sexual and non sexual. A thin leather belt, a penis sheath, a necklace can all signify "clothed" and removal of same in public is just as taboo as walking down Grafton Street in the nip. A Muslim woman ins a devout Muslim area is "naked" if her hair is uncovered even if she is fully clothed in a shapeless dress that gives no clue to the form beneath. "Natural" is a very culturally loaded term in humans.

"Natural" and the notion of the "return to innocence" is a common thread in European thought throughout the ages. The notion of getting back to simpler, less judgemental times. Indeed not just in Europe, it's common in every advanced* and complex and especially rapidly changing civilisation. IMHO Naturism is an example of that. The body luddite in a way. The comfort blanket from a past that never existed. Cool and the gang if it's a personal preference but I take issue when it's dressed up as "natural", when such dressing up is culturally subjective and anthropologically misinformed.




*or retarded depending on viewpoint. Though I see issues in complex civilisations, I'd go still go with advanced as I'm not a hippie.
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if the weather is as nice tomorrow as it is today im headin down to brittas bay, any1 fancy headin down?? oh tomorrow is the 15/07/2011 by the way
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There seems to have been a falling off of interest in this topic here. Can't imagine why!
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I was at Brittas naturist part yesterday, it was lovely there
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Not quite and it's a needlessly simplistic take IMHO. They go naked or semi naked to our cultural centric eyes. Those cultures have a very definite delineation between the naked and dressed, the public and private, indeed the sexual and non sexual. A thin leather belt, a penis sheath, a necklace can all signify "clothed" and removal of same in public is just as taboo as walking down Grafton Street in the nip. A Muslim woman ins a devout Muslim area is "naked" if her hair is uncovered even if she is fully clothed in a shapeless dress that gives no clue to the form beneath. "Natural" is a very culturally loaded term in humans.

"Natural" and the notion of the "return to innocence" is a common thread in European thought throughout the ages. The notion of getting back to simpler, less judgemental times. Indeed not just in Europe, it's common in every advanced* and complex and especially rapidly changing civilisation. IMHO Naturism is an example of that. The body luddite in a way. The comfort blanket from a past that never existed. Cool and the gang if it's a personal preference but I take issue when it's dressed up as "natural", when such dressing up is culturally subjective and anthropologically misinformed.




*or retarded depending on viewpoint. Though I see issues in complex civilisations, I'd go still go with advanced as I'm not a hippie.
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I thought not wearing clothes was a nudest, not a naturalist

As someone pointed out earlier it isn't "natural" (from a purely biological sense, not talking about morality) not to wear clothes all the time, so someone saying this is the natural state of a human being is incorrect. The natural state of a human is to wear some form of protective cloth over their bodies. Otherwise we would all still be covered in thick hair.

Anyway, I would be all for allowing nudest beaches so long as they are clearly sign posted. Having seens (but not taken part in mind) a nudest beach in Europe I can safely say that the horny teenage fantasy that a nudest beach is loads of young women and men rolling around having sex is a little off the mark. The one I saw was a load of middle aged, slightly over weight, hairy people lying around drinking bottles of coke and eating sandwitches.
i was sitting at work listening to 2 people saying about their holiday in gran canaria being spoilt because they liked to walk along the beach every day and they had to see all the people on the nudist beach and it was disgusting. When i asked why didnt they walk elsewhere or just avert their eyes when walking through the clearly marked nudist beach they replied that they supposed i went on the nudist beach otherwise i would agree with them.

I explained that i did go to the nudist beach and had a very enjoyable holiday but then i didn't waste my time judging the people wearing clothes on the beach.
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