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29-06-2005, 21:58   #1
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Opinions on Ivana Bacik

A radical, relevant, revolutionary person

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sickeningly right-on, too woolly etc

I fall into the latter camp btw.
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29-06-2005, 22:00   #2
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sickeningly right-on, too woolly etc
agreed, champange socialist
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29-06-2005, 22:00   #3
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For the clueless (like me), thank you Google. It would be nice if you could take the time to elaborate on your topic in future, kthnksbyelol.
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For the clueless (like me), thank you Google. It would be nice if you could take the time to elaborate on your topic in future, kthnksbyelol.
I don't see why he should have to elaborate. You're the uninformed one, find out yourself.

Anyway - yeah - I'd be stuffing her into the latter camp there I feel.
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irc, for some reason, i happened to read some blog type thing written about her by Devore when I just joined boards and i at the time took it as gospel truth and decided not to vote for her in the EEs. But then my dad changed my mind.

At the moment, I don't like her, I don't like her version of feminity. I'm not going to elaborate further cos she won't reply (lol).
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29-06-2005, 22:30   #6
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Oh exellent, I can play my



card!

I blow hot and cold about her.

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29-06-2005, 22:31   #7
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Little from column A, little from column B. If I had to choose between her existing and not existing I'd probably just go for existing so I may be ever so slightly in favour of column A. Then again that's partly because our law professors, political and social commentators and successful or failed politicians are so poor in general (really, so poor) that it probably isn't much of a compliment anyway. I don't have a problem with champagne socialists, Or if there are any ardent capitalists who insist on living on dried bread and gruel I don't have a problem with their existence either. Actually I tend to see it as a good thing rather than all socialists of all extremities or lack of same being restricted to people who work down the mines for fourteen pence a week.

Then again perhaps I'm too woolly myself, I like the notion of representative democracy actually being representative and articulate - I don't have a problem with almost any opinion as long as it's presented reasonably well with some foundation or basis to it. I've got a long list of presented opinions that don't make the grade there and modding the politics forum has significantly added to it.

So on the whole, not entirely positive but not very negative. Now I just sound non-committal - perhaps I should give the bad politician game a lash meself.
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29-06-2005, 23:12   #8
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I believe there is some rabid hatred of her in some quarters based on something she did involving student union politics. Personally I could not care less about student politics so none of that crap would sway me one way or another.

From what little I have seen she is a little too bleeding heart for my liking although I would class her as considerably less toxic than most of our elected officials.
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30-06-2005, 00:02   #9
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I wouldn't agree with her politics, but Ivana is a highly intelligent individual who is easy to talk with and does listen to what is being said. I'd be happy if we'd more of her intellectual calibre in Leinster House on all sides.

On a side note - the Hitler-esque card above can't go without comment. Given that she is of Czech origin and her grandfather fought the Nazis as a partisan I think it's a little off the mark.
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yeah i forgot to mention she's probably very intelligent. and by very i mean very.
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30-06-2005, 11:35   #12
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I know very little about her but have a general idea that people think she is the symbol of woolly liberals. From her site I would say you can get the idea that she see what is currently in place is not working. What seems to happen is people have implement the liberal approach and then sya see it doesn't work. It could be good to have somebody in power actually following through.
In saying that I am always weary of anybody who chooses to support womans right and not mens. It seems to be pretty clear that the failing relationships are causing problems with paternity rights and that men are also bottom of all lists for housing etc... Unlike woman men don't naturally help each other out so slowly men are becoming 2nd class citizens. The high suicide rate and criminal behaviour can definitly indicate something isn't working for young men
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i'd fall into the latter tbh
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I've been lectured by her for the past year and she is a very intelligent person she is also a very friendly and amiable person.

I decided to read her book “Kicking and Screaming: Dragging Ireland into the 21st Century” and to be honest I found myself agreeing with a lot of her points mostly regarding secularisation and freedom of speech.

That’s just my two cents
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I believe there is some rabid hatred of her in some quarters based on something she did involving student union politics. Personally I could not care less about student politics so none of that crap would sway me one way or another.
She was, as TCD Students’ Union President, democratically mandated to vote for a candidate for the USI elections and chose to break that mandate in favour of another candidate who more militant views than the one she was mandated to vote for. The breaking of this mandate was serious enough for her to be forced to resign her SU position - earning her the nickname of the ‘Bounced Czech’.

Personally I wouldn’t hold this against her, but given that she has never expressed any form of regret for this action, I would not consider her trustworthy in future, IMHO.
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On a side note - the Hitler-esque card above can't go without comment. Given that she is of Czech origin and her grandfather fought the Nazis as a partisan I think it's a little off the mark.
Does that mean that we can’t criticize Israel if they commit human rights abuses by the same logic? Seriously, get over it.

Personally, I think that she’s a very competent individual in her own right and a highly effective self-publicist. But as I pointed out above, her past actions and (more importantly) lack of remorse thereof, lead me to trust her as far as I’d spit a dead rat.
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She was, as TCD Students’ Union President, democratically mandated to vote for a candidate for the USI elections and chose to break that mandate in favour of another candidate who more militant views than the one she was mandated to vote for. The breaking of this mandate was serious enough for her to be forced to resign her SU position - earning her the nickname of the ‘Bounced Czech’.
That does sound a bit bad ... i don't know the ins and outs of TCD SU regulations but are you saying that she had a responsibility to vote for the USI candidate that the students of TCD had voted for and she decided to vote for her own personal favourate? Cause if she did that it shows a lack of respect for democratic process, even one you disagree with. You are supposed to serve the people not yourself. On the other hand SU politics borders on the ridiculous anyway, so I suppose it wouldn't necessarily be a reflection of how she would act in the "real world"

Kind like if the person elected in the electorial college vote in the USA didn't actually vote for who he/she said they were representing (which is actually legal, and has happened, in some states).
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On the other hand SU politics borders on the ridiculous anyway, so I suppose it wouldn't necessarily be a reflection of how she would act in the "real world"
It was certainly considered serious enough to merit her resignation at the time and it is frankly the only reflection of how she would act in the "real World" that I have, especially given her apparent lack of remorse in the matter.

And that’s why personally I wouldn’t trust her.
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It was certainly considered serious enough to merit her resignation at the time and it is frankly the only reflection of how she would act in the "real World" that I have, especially given her apparent lack of remorse in the matter.

And that’s why personally I wouldn’t trust her.
true ...

what was her justification?
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I believe there is some rabid hatred of her in some quarters based on something she did involving student union politics. Personally I could not care less about student politics so none of that crap would sway me one way or another.

From what little I have seen she is a little too bleeding heart for my liking although I would class her as considerably less toxic than most of our elected officials.
But shows clearly her principals or lack there of.

TBH, I dont trust her, I feel she is two-faced. She belongs to a certain breed of politicians which are becoming more and more prevalent in modern society and I just dont like it.
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what was her justification?
I don't think she really gave one at the time outside of preferring the other candidate; but given I'm having difficulty remembering the names of the candidates to begin with, I'd have to leave that one open, TBH.

Ultimately, whatever the justification it was apparantly insufficient to save her from resignation at the time, it would seem.

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