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Covid 19 Part XXXV-956,720 ROI (5,952 deaths) 452,946 NI (3,002 deaths) (08/01) Read OP

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  • #7772
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users Posts: 8,258 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Martina1991 wrote: »
    Have other countries actually evaluated these tests in all the settings they've implemented them in.

    Dr Ronan Glynn:


    Manufactures make these tests for specific settings and people. They're approved for those purposes and then can be bought by anyone.
    You can't take a test made for A, B and C and think you can use it for X, Y and Z and get the same results.

    All those other countries have used antigen as a tool to reopen businesses as safely as possible

    The logic actually seems to be that antigen testing isn’t perfectly accurate so best keep things closed

    It’s as if keeping business closed is merely an inconvenience, only spoken about online, with absolutely no ramifications involved

    Antigen isn’t perfect, but prolonged closures of business is catastrophic . . . As we will find out


  • #7773
    MadYaker
    Registered Users Posts: 12,138 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Irish Times main story is Cervical Tony proclaiming the beginning of the fourth wave in Ireland.

    Can we have a public poll on whether or not people believe him?

    That’d be great. :)

    At first I thought it was a load of nonsense but now with what is happening in the Scotland I’m not so sure. The next 2 weeks will tell a lot but now I’m thinking we need a lot more people vaccinated before we can go any further.


  • #7774
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    eagle eye wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I should even respond but you do realise that this means that vaccinated people got the delta variant?
    Of 117 deaths over 40% were fully vaccinated.

    Yeah, nobody said vaccines were 100% solid.

    Did somebody tell you otherwise?

    50 people. Population: ~70,000,000.

    Seriously, have a day off.


  • #7775
    purplefields
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭purplefields


    MadYaker wrote: »
    At first I thought it was a load of nonsense but now with what is happening in the Scotland I’m not so sure. The next 2 weeks will tell a lot but now I’m thinking we need a lot more people vaccinated before we can go any further.

    Absolutely.

    I really don't get how people believe we won't have a fourth wave. UK looks like cases are accelerating the fastest yet since the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm actually surprised Ireland's figures are holding up so well, considering we have less vaccinated.

    People want to open up indoors? - Has everyone forgotten the last time?


  • #7776
    octsol
    Registered Users Posts: 80 ✭✭octsol


    purplefields wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    I really don't get how people believe we won't have a fourth wave. UK looks like cases are accelerating the fastest yet since the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm actually surprised Ireland's figures are holding up so well, considering we have less vaccinated.

    People want to open up indoors? - Has everyone forgotten the last time?

    Are we facing another lockdown


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  • #7777
    purplefields
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭purplefields


    octsol wrote: »
    Are we facing another lockdown

    I don't know.
    If we opened up as planned, then I would say so.

    Yes, and I know it's horrible that this means the end of many businesses and that it's financially unsustainable for the country.

    I fear that if we open up too soon then we'll be back to locking down again to keep the schools open.


  • #7778
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users Posts: 5,396 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Well I asked earlier on if there was any update as regards the delta variant in the UK.
    As I said, on June 21st they said that of the 117 deaths of confirmed delta variant cases that 50 were fully vaccinated people.
    I think that's a huge concern. I haven't been able to find any update on that since then.

    They give weekly updates. The last one was on the 25th not on the 21st. Here it is. And it was 117 deaths from 92,056 severe cases. That is not huge concern at all even if they were all vaccinated (which they weren't). Its a tiny number.

    Because there are a couple of things I already pointed out a couple of times.
    1. these are 117 deaths from severe cases, how many cases become severe in the firstplace? 5%, 2%? Let's be conservative and say 5%.
    2. how many cases remain undetected/untested? WHO went with factor 10 at some stage. Lets assume this is no longer the case because of more awareness, better testing whatever. Lets go with factor 5.

    So now let's do the math. 92,056 severe cases, 117 deaths. That's 0.12%. Divided by 20 thats 0.006%. Divide by 5 thats 0.0012%.

    I know thats bag of a fagbox stuff but its totally plausible IMO. 0.0012%.

    And thats why the UK still thinks they are on course for complete abandonment of all restrictions in a couple of weeks unless something dramatic happens. Thats why they have 60,000 in Wembley and a full Wimbledon no masks in sight, not even the royals.

    I hope that helps your concern levels?

    Edit: couple of typos


  • #7779
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    purplefields wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    I really don't get how people believe we won't have a fourth wave. UK looks like cases are accelerating the fastest yet since the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm actually surprised Ireland's figures are holding up so well, considering we have less vaccinated.

    People want to open up indoors? - Has everyone forgotten the last time?

    The last time when 0% of the population was vaccinated, as opposed to now, when 66% are?

    Is there any point at which you’ll question what you’re being told?


  • #7780
    Renjit
    Registered Users Posts: 949 ✭✭✭Renjit


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    Hard to believe in a state that 70 or so million people live in, 50 vaccinated people have since died.

    I for one assumed that all vaccinated people would live for ever and ever.

    Silly me!!!

    Yeah, just statistics. People die. :rolleyes:


  • #7781
    purplefields
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭purplefields


    Shelga wrote: »
    The last time when 0% of the population was vaccinated, as opposed to now, when 66% are?

    Is there any point at which you’ll question what you’re being told?

    I haven't been 'told' anything.
    I don't watch RTE or any Irish government announcements.

    Just simply looking at UK figures, where they have a higher proportion of vaccinated. I, unfortunately, can't argue with that.


    I also understand that people don't want to hear it.


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  • #7782
    GooglePlus
    Registered Users Posts: 2,010 ✭✭✭GooglePlus


    purplefields wrote: »
    I haven't been 'told' anything.
    I don't watch RTE or any Irish government announcements.

    Just simply looking at UK figures, where they have a higher proportion of vaccinated. I, unfortunately, can't argue with that.


    I also understand that people don't want to hear it.

    Stick it to the man, man. Big brother is telling you lies.


  • #7783
    Shelga
    Registered Users Posts: 3,002 ✭✭✭Shelga


    purplefields wrote: »
    I haven't been 'told' anything.
    I don't watch RTE or any Irish government announcements.

    Just simply looking at UK figures, where they have a higher proportion of vaccinated. I, unfortunately, can't argue with that.


    I also understand that people don't want to hear it.

    Is it the numbers of people being infected that is important, or the impact of those infections?

    Do you agree that vaccines will result in a drastically reduced impact, in terms of hospitalisation and ICU numbers? Especially considering the fact that the 34% of the population waiting to receive a vaccine dose are under 40?


  • #7784
    purplefields
    Registered Users Posts: 237 ✭✭purplefields


    Shelga wrote: »
    Is it the numbers of people being infected that is important, or the impact of those infections?

    Do you agree that vaccines will result in a drastically reduced impact, in terms of hospitalisation and ICU numbers? Especially considering the fact that the 34% of the population waiting to receive a vaccine dose are under 40?

    I would say that both are important.
    High case numbers = more chance for mutation.

    Vaccines certainly appear to be reducing deaths, which is fantastic. However, if someone gets sick (instead of dying), they still might need a couple of weeks of hospital resources.


  • #7785
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    purplefields wrote: »
    Absolutely.

    I really don't get how people believe we won't have a fourth wave. UK looks like cases are accelerating the fastest yet since the beginning of the pandemic.

    I'm actually surprised Ireland's figures are holding up so well, considering we have less vaccinated.

    People want to open up indoors? - Has everyone forgotten the last time?

    There's this thing called the covid vaccine, they've mentioned it in the news a few times


  • #7786
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,482 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Zebra3 wrote:
    Yeah, nobody said vaccines were 100% solid.

    [
    Did somebody tell you otherwise?
    50 people. Population: ~70,000,000.

    Seriously, have a day off.[/quote]

    It's 50 people out of 117.


  • #7787
    bennyl10
    Registered Users Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭bennyl10


    ypres5 wrote: »
    There's this thing called the covid vaccine, they've mentioned it in the news a few times

    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    They reduce it, but until everyone has a jab we need to take delta seriously!


  • #7788
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    So the atmosphere I'm picking up is that we need to lock down until there's a vaccine that's 100% effective and there's absolutely 0 covid cases and deaths. That's perfectly realistic.


  • #7789
    ypres5
    Registered Users Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    They reduce it, but until everyone has a jab we need to take delta seriously!

    Never said we didn't have to but we're an outlier on the continent at the moment. Do you think everyone else is wrong and we're right regarding antigens and indoor dining? Also considering that Philip Nolan doesn't understand what a 95% effective vaccine means I'm questioning the aptitude of the people who are influencing the decisions.


  • #7790
    Zebra3
    Registered Users Posts: 13,846 ✭✭✭✭Zebra3


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    They reduce it, but until everyone has a jab we need to take delta seriously!

    Not everyone can and not everyone will take a vaccine so you enjoy sitting there taking delta serious.

    It’s really sad at this stage of this mess that there’s people out there who actually think everyone can be vaccinated.


  • #7791
    the kelt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,892 ✭✭✭the kelt


    ypres5 wrote: »
    So the atmosphere I'm picking up is that we need to lock down until there's a vaccine that's 100% effective and there's absolutely 0 covid cases and deaths. That's perfectly realistic.

    Maybe not even then the way some people seem to be thinking.

    It’s a bit worrying how far some people have gone to be honest all joking aside.


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  • #7792
    AdamD
    Registered Users Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭AdamD


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    They reduce it, but until everyone has a jab we need to take delta seriously!

    This line has always been utter nonsense. Vaccines are literally the silver bullet. Vaccines are our only plan. We will not have social distancing and restrictions years into the future, either vaccines end it or human nature takes over.

    Sorry but that line utterly infuriates me.


  • #7793
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users Posts: 12,350 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    They reduce it, but until everyone has a jab we need to take delta seriously!

    Ok then, ask the virus to leave, its not welcome. :)

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #7794
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,556 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    eagle eye wrote: »

    It's 50 people out of 117.

    In the UK close to 100% of the extreme vulnerable are fully vaccinated. As good as vaccines are, you are probably still worse off as an immune compromised fully vaccinated 80 year old than you are as a non vaccinated 30 year old or a partially vaccinated healthy 50 year old. 50 deaths with no other details in a country the size of the UK is way too small of a size to conclude the vaccinated are at a serious risk of death from the Delta varient.


  • #7795
    rm212
    Registered Users Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    Philip Nolan is the same guy who had the genius vision of trying to consolidate every degree in NUIM down to just two courses: “arts” and “science”, and everyone would have to pick multiple subjects within that. How far can you really push out having to make a decision to specialise in an area?

    Thankfully his plan was never executed in full due to backlash from departments.


  • #7796
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users Posts: 7,524 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    Vaccines are not a silver bullet and do not solve the problem

    That little soundbite was debunked as soon as the vaccine efficacy results came out.

    They're the definition of a silver bullet. Have a look at the US.


  • #7797
    Klonker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Seriously, have a day off. It's 50 people out of 117.



    Yeah 50 people from the 50% of the population who were way more likely to die of covid in the first place. Without vaccines that figure would be likely over 1,000.

    If they started giving out the vaccines to children first and work the way up and they had everyone under 40 vaccinated and all deaths were in the 40+ groups would you be then cheering how fantastic the vaccines are?


  • #7798
    Normal One
    Registered Users Posts: 357 ✭✭Normal One


    Looks like England is surviving delta, unlike us :(



    https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1410725161125355522?s=21


  • #7799
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,696 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    That little soundbite was debunked as soon as the vaccine efficacy results came out.

    They're the definition of a silver bullet. Have a look at the US.

    They are the only way out.
    But what ever happened to saying, look at Israel?


  • #7800
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Benny10,

    I applaud you!!

    Lads come on, don't be easily caught...


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  • #7801
    fun loving criminal
    Registered Users Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭fun loving criminal


    I read the news of a pub outbreak that resulted in 180 covid infections.

    How do they link these 180 cases together and trace it back to the pub? I don't think our contact tracing is up to that join the dots type of thing.


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