Boards.ie uses cookies. By continuing to browse this site you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Click here to find out more x
Post Reply  
 
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
01-08-2020, 18:57   #1201
wirelessdude01
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 5,736
Quote:
Originally Posted by Postgrad10 View Post
You could put a block on zoom calls being recorded by others in your settings. You go in to your participants list and click forbid recording.
I mean recording using a phone.
wirelessdude01 is online now  
Thanks from:
Advertisement
01-08-2020, 19:11   #1202
Postgrad10
Registered User
 
Postgrad10's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 2,629
Sorry. You have to watch your back with them. Little darlings !
Postgrad10 is offline  
01-08-2020, 19:24   #1203
mtoutlemonde
Registered User
 
mtoutlemonde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,820
If we have to go back to blended learning and we have to do online classes - you can just show a whiteboard and turn off student mice and cameras. I did an online course like this and it was impressive. Students can still communicate with teacher via message.
mtoutlemonde is offline  
(3) thanks from:
01-08-2020, 19:24   #1204
Bobtheman
Registered User
 
Bobtheman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,274
The government is setting itself up for a fall. It's plan is too late. Schools will open but late plus there will be chaos.
There was fxxx all direction for online teaching. I never came across an online class facility that a kid could not record. Though I know some teachers took the risk with zoom I wasn't prepared to without a legal Gurantee.
Yes I have seen breaches of privacy that made me heistate.
I know some principal's pushed it ours wisely didn't.
Given the delay in this plan(July) you have a better chance of Man utd winning the premiership next year than a viable online plan in place in case we shut again .
Bobtheman is offline  
Thanks from:
01-08-2020, 19:27   #1205
Bobtheman
Registered User
 
Bobtheman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Posts: 1,274
Quote:
Originally Posted by mtoutlemonde View Post
If we have to go back to blended learning and we have to do online classes - you can just show a whiteboard and turn off student mice and cameras. I did an online course like this and it was impressive. Students can still communicate with teacher via message.
What program was that ? Presume teachers still visible?
Bobtheman is offline  
Advertisement
01-08-2020, 19:31   #1206
shesty
Moderator
 
shesty's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 4,078
There are plenty like that, Zoom can be used that way, Lync/Skype too.You can screen share, or just go into presentation mode.Easily enough done.
And much like college, if you are there and the class is being given in that manner, that is the best you can do.Circulate the notes beforehand for them to cover yourself.Much as lecturers do.
What students are up to, whether they are listening or not, or attending, is out of your control.You can lead a horse to water and all that....
shesty is offline  
(2) thanks from:
01-08-2020, 19:32   #1207
mtoutlemonde
Registered User
 
mtoutlemonde's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 1,820
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobtheman View Post
What program was that ? Presume teachers still visible?
It was done on zoom. I could definitely have recorded it but I only saw the whiteboard/presentation and listen to the speakers voice. I did not want to do zoom classes for reasons above but this seemed to have a bit if structure and i suppose you can always remove a disruptive student akin to putting them outside the door which you can't do know. A follow up email to parents could explain the breach. I would only be concerned with junior classes.
mtoutlemonde is offline  
01-08-2020, 20:35   #1208
combat14
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 503
we wont need (educational licence) for zoom sure we will all no matter what be back In the classroom ...
combat14 is offline  
01-08-2020, 21:11   #1209
teachinggal123
Registered User
 
teachinggal123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 345
Zoom, Skype, MS Teams or any of those other ‘commercial’ level videoconferencing platforms won’t work in secondary or primary.

The Blackboard learning platform have a virtual classroom called collaborate ultra. This is specifically designed for teaching and is the only platform that will work for us. The problem is that Blackboard is expensive and there is a learning curve for teachers .... both technically and pedagogically ... which will be a hard sell.

The answer might be for the Dept to get a license which can be available to all schools. This needs to be supported by training for teachers. There will also need to be time for teachers to transfer all material to PowerPoint etc.

Finally, this has to be compulsory. No exceptions. No excuses. Teachers have to use this if schools are closed. If students don’t engage that’s their issue. Any student recording the sessions etc will be sanctioned ... zero tolerance for idiocy and messing.

Anything less than that won’t work.

No chance of any of that happening tho.
teachinggal123 is offline  
(3) thanks from:
Advertisement
01-08-2020, 21:43   #1210
bren2001
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 3,525
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachinggal123 View Post
Zoom, Skype, MS Teams or any of those other ‘commercial’ level videoconferencing platforms won’t work in secondary or primary.

The Blackboard learning platform have a virtual classroom called collaborate ultra. This is specifically designed for teaching and is the only platform that will work for us. The problem is that Blackboard is expensive and there is a learning curve for teachers .... both technically and pedagogically ... which will be a hard sell.

The answer might be for the Dept to get a license which can be available to all schools. This needs to be supported by training for teachers. There will also need to be time for teachers to transfer all material to PowerPoint etc.

Finally, this has to be compulsory. No exceptions. No excuses. Teachers have to use this if schools are closed. If students don’t engage that’s their issue. Any student recording the sessions etc will be sanctioned ... zero tolerance for idiocy and messing.

Anything less than that won’t work.

No chance of any of that happening tho.
Why is blackboard the *only* one that will work?

I've used blackboard extensively in the past and personally found it an absolutely terrible platform. It was a number of years back and may be much better now. Plenty of other people have a different view on it and thought it was brilliant.

There's a whole host of different platforms available. There are pros and cons to each one. For example, there's no reason why Zoom and Google Classroom won't work. If I was given the choice, it would be what I would lean towards.
bren2001 is offline  
01-08-2020, 23:14   #1211
teachinggal123
Registered User
 
teachinggal123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 345
Quote:
Originally Posted by bren2001 View Post
Why is blackboard the *only* one that will work?

I've used blackboard extensively in the past and personally found it an absolutely terrible platform. It was a number of years back and may be much better now. Plenty of other people have a different view on it and thought it was brilliant.

There's a whole host of different platforms available. There are pros and cons to each one. For example, there's no reason why Zoom and Google Classroom won't work. If I was given the choice, it would be what I would lean towards.
I’m talking about a Blackboard add on called “collaborate ultra”. This is specifically designed for online/blended teaching ... Zoom and Skype are not.

There are also teaching tools baked in to collaborate ultra which Zoom & Skype don’t have.

There are plenty of YouTube videos for anyone not familiar with the platform.
teachinggal123 is offline  
01-08-2020, 23:53   #1212
bren2001
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 3,525
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachinggal123 View Post
I’m talking about a Blackboard add on called “collaborate ultra”. This is specifically designed for online/blended teaching ... Zoom and Skype are not.

There are also teaching tools baked in to collaborate ultra which Zoom & Skype don’t have.

There are plenty of YouTube videos for anyone not familiar with the platform.
I'm familiar with collaborate ultra. You've stated it is the *only* suitable platform but provide no justification for this.

From a teaching perspective, I can achieve everything needed with Zoom, Google Classroom and a wacom tablet to deliver a fully interactive class (not that this is what I actually want to deliver).

Blackboard is not the *only* solution, it is *a* solution. There are a whole host of other alternatives which will suit different needs. Each having their own pro's and con's.

Can you justify why this one specific software is the *only* solution?
bren2001 is offline  
01-08-2020, 23:55   #1213
History Queen
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachinggal123 View Post
I’m talking about a Blackboard add on called “collaborate ultra”. This is specifically designed for online/blended teaching ... Zoom and Skype are not.

There are also teaching tools baked in to collaborate ultra which Zoom & Skype don’t have.

There are plenty of YouTube videos for anyone not familiar with the platform.
I haven't come across that before. It sounds really interesting. Will definitely look it up. Can I just ask in your opinion why it is better than the likes of Microsoft? Our school (secondary) use office365 and students had office365 emails already set up and were at least partially familiar with the platform so we used Microsoft Teams, personally I found it worked well for my subjects. (Other issues aside such as Teething problems/my own learning curve/IT access for students etc)
History Queen is offline  
02-08-2020, 00:27   #1214
teachinggal123
Registered User
 
teachinggal123's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 345
Im not an expert and I’m just giving my opinion on BB collaborate. It is designed for teaching whereas the other platforms mentioned are not. It links with the material you put on BB. It links with all the other discussion boards, blogs and other teaching tools available on BB. It has security features for teaching that Zoom etc don’t have. It manages bandwidth effectively for slower connections. It has mobile apps for iPhone and android. It is the primary online collaborative teaching platform used by everyone from the top Ivy League Universities to smaller schools in Africa.

If anyone has other opinions and thinks there are better platforms for teaching that’s fine. As usual, I’m just giving my own opinion.


Edited to say that there is an open source (free) alternative to BB called Moodle. I don’t know if it has a collaborate ultra type option. Some ETBs have this ... I know KWETB definitely have ... so that might be another option.

As long is there is a plan that is consistent, that will work and that comes from the Dept I personally don’t care if we use tin cans and a piece of string. Anything is better than this disorganised disjointed and piecemeal approach that is left to each school to sort out. That is trouble.

Last edited by teachinggal123; 02-08-2020 at 00:33.
teachinggal123 is offline  
02-08-2020, 00:34   #1215
History Queen
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,387
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachinggal123 View Post
Im not an expert and I’m just giving my opinion on BB collaborate. It is designed for teaching whereas the other platforms mentioned are not. It links with the material you put on BB. It links with all the other discussion boards, blogs and other teaching tools available on BB. It has security features for teaching that Zoom etc don’t have. It manages bandwidth effectively for slower connections. It has mobile apps for iPhone and android. It is the primary online collaborative teaching platform used by everyone from the top Ivy League Universities to smaller schools in Africa.

If anyone has other opinions and thinks there are better platforms for teaching that’s fine. As usual, I’m just giving my own opinion.


Edited to say that there is an open source (free) alternative to BB called Moodle. I don’t know if it has a collaborate ultra type option. Some ETBs have this ... I know KWETB definitely ... have, so that might be another option.
Cheers will look into BB sounds good especially what you said about managing bandwidth.

Also agreed re Department led approach. Coordination is needed.
History Queen is offline  
Post Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Remove Text Formatting
Bold
Italic
Underline

Insert Image
Wrap [QUOTE] tags around selected text
 
Decrease Size
Increase Size
Please sign up or log in to join the discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search



Share Tweet