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06-05-2019, 23:05   #1
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DCM 2019 - Mentored Novices Thread

Hello there, you're all very welcome to the DCM 2019 Mentored Novices Thread!

This is the 11th year that Boards has offered support and advice to DCM Novices. In 2009, -amadeus-- composed the opening symphony. Rainbow kirby took over in 2010, Raycun in 2011, followed by Younganne in 2012. career_move kept the show on the road in 2013, succeeded by Ososlo for the 2014 stanza. Dubgal72 with her expert coaching managed to get her crew through in 2015, while the 2016 edition was hosted by the notorious (not really!) nop98, in 2017 Wubble Wubble did a sterling job to bring Wubble's Wonders to the start line, in 2018 ariana' took over the reigns and expertly guided her troops (yours truly included) through to October. And so here we are with the 2019 edition......


About the Novices thread
This thread is aimed at anyone considering doing the Dublin City Marathon for the first time this year, on October 27th. It isn't limited to those who haven't run a marathon before, maybe you ran one but it's a few years ago and you're getting back into it or maybe you ran it but it didn't go well and now you're looking for a different approach...

In a fresh twist for 2019, the marathon is currently sold out! However, fear not, as additional entries will be available from the 1st of July. The record setting numbers for 2019 speak to what a great event DCM is.


The Training
Training for any marathon is tough, especially if it's your first! It helps if you can spare a lot of time to devote to it, it can involve a fair amount of running at stupid o'clock as your runs get longer.

Our training plans commence on Monday, June 24th, which is 7 weeks from today. We recommend that you have been running quite regularly for a year. Come June 24th, you want to be running comfortably 3-4 times a week, every week, covering at least 20 miles per week. If you want some advice on how to build your mileage up to 20 mpw over the next 7 weeks then we're here for that too

Have a look at the two training plans on offer and see if you can find a way to fit one of them into your life for 18 weeks. Can you fit this in your daily routine, your holiday plans, your family life? If you're unsure, just try it out for a couple of weeks and see how you get on. The mileage in the programs will go up, so be realistic in your self-assessment. If you have doubts post here and we'll give an honest assessment if we think you're ready, and which plan will suit.


Training Plans
The Hal Higdon Novice 1 plan is a widely used novice marathon plan. It's a simple, and straightforward plan, which slowly increases the weekly mileage to eventually include a 20 mile training run, and has step-back weeks built in to help the body adapt. It uses 3 mid-week runs, which will slowly increase in length, and a longer weekend run. Ideally, you mix in one day of cross-training, too.

The Boards plan for 2019 is for slightly more experienced runners. It includes more variety in paces (either "easy" pace, or PMP ("planned marathon pace")), it includes strides on some of the easy runs, and generally covers more miles - e.g. 2 * 20 milers.

Both plans include all the Race Series build-up races (the South Dublin 10k in Clondalkin on July 21st, the Frank Duffy 10-miler on August 24th in the Phoenix Park, and the Dublin Half Marathon on September 21st in the Phoenix Park). You don't have to run these races, but it is recommended to try one or more of them or an alternative race of similar distance during the program to give yourself a feel for running at race pace and to see how much you've progressed. If the dates of your chosen races don't tie in exactly with the plan then don't worry - we can advise you on how to restructure the plan as we go on.

There are many more plans out there of course, but we recommend that you choose one of the above and trust the plan you choose! Both of these plans have got countless runners across the line over the past 10 years and they can get you across the line in 2019!


General Guidelines
The longest runs are the most important. You can of course switch runs around within a week if you need to. If you have to skip a run, try make it one of the short runs. When it's gone, it's gone. Do not go chasing lost mileage in subsequent weeks.

Run slow. Once you think you run slow enough, run even slower. You will hear this on repeat for the next 26 weeks and for a reason, you will not be able to complete all the training miles if you don't run the majority of them slow (slower than you will run on the day itself and possibly slower than you have ever run).

Once the program is about to start, we'll talk about how to determine your training paces.

Be realistic. A marathon is no mean physical or mental challenge - hopefully you will have raced at some of the shorter distances already. Don't set your heart on hitting a particular time. You won't have a pace car in front of you to block out the wind, or have water bottles handed to you, a la Kipchoge and co. If you do want to set a target time, be conservative. The marathon has so many variables that can impact on your time.

Listen to your body. If something doesn't feel right, stop your run. If it continues, seek professional guidance. As per general Boards guidelines, we cannot offer medical advice.

You'll have to make sure your wife/husband/partner is on your side. Believe you and me, it does make a difference when he/she is ready and willing to support what you're doing.


And Here Is Your Host...
This time last year I tentatively set foot in the 2018 Novices Thread and I haven't looked back since. It was one of the best decisions I've ever made. Running a marathon is tough going, but training for one is equally demanding. I ran 99% of my training runs on my own, but the crew here offered a great sense of community and a feeling that we were in it together. My abiding memory of the training was the camaraderie here as everyone offered encouragement, advice and support. Genuine bonds were formed that have only grown stronger since.

DCM itself was such a great experience. I came up short of my dream target, but I genuinely didn't care. The support around the course just blew my mind and helped me through the tough closing miles. I didn't take too long to decide I wanted another taste of it this year!

But I won't be the only one looking out for you - two of my fellow 2018 novices, Huzzah! and ReeReeG, will be here to share their knowledge and experiences. Alongside that, the whole Boards Athletics and Running community is behind you, and will be dropping in with even more great advice and support. However you got here, whether you stumbled into this thread by chance, were directed here, or have lurked for years before finally taking the plunge, you will not regret making us part of your DCM journey.


YOU CAN DO THIS!!
To finish, I'd really appreciate if you could tell us a little bit about yourself, and answer the following questions:
  • Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
  • Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
  • How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
  • What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
  • How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
  • What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
  • Why are you running this marathon?

Thanks for reading. Once again, welcome to the thread. Now step forward and introduce yourself - you will not regret it!

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06-05-2019, 23:12   #2
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Oooooh exciting. And so it begins.....
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Aaaah it's started up, how exciting! Truly honoured that you asked me to join you on this Mr Guappa, looking forward to welcoming the new batch of novices now
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Excited to see this up and running once again. Congrats Mr. Guappa. You’ll be a great mentor along with Huzzah and ReeReeG. Best of luck.
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Excellent!!! So great to see this up and running for 2019!


This year's novices are in very, very good hands. Good luck all and looking forward to the months ahead!!!
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07-05-2019, 08:23   #6
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Good luck to all, mentors and novices alike!

Can't wait to follow this thread for the next few months. It'll be a rollercoaster so enjoy the ride.
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07-05-2019, 08:42   #7
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Seriously...another one of these, why??!

Do you people not realise some of us spend far too much time on Boards already

Novices, listen to Mr. Guappa - a rock of sense. With his mentor-ship and the wisdom of his able accomplices Huzzah! & ReeReeG, you won't go wrong.

Enjoy guys, looking forward to this journey.
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Best of luck all! It's a fantastic journey to your first marathon, enjoy it

(On another note, how the feck is it ten years since I was on the first edition of this thread?)
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Hi , first time marathon attempt DCM. U have few years running, oct 3rd 2018 half marathon 1.55. I have done 7 half marathons in total. I train 4 times including parkrun sat. 2 sessions mon wed hills , speed, tempo. In between do 6/8 miles on random Tues or thurs. Sunday by Lsr day. I dont strength/conditioning. I dont stop to walk in my runs. I can swim well can this be a strength/conditioning!!! I am moving to Dublin end June so will likely be training on my own during week and some weekends back in hills of donegal.

Dream time be sub 4.30. Running it as I'm 40 and dcm is 40 this year and I like long distance .....biggest worry chafed to death ....(happens alot) and I have wee niggle in right knee ..Thanks for all your help and tips in advance ! Linny
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Great choice for Mentor! Best of luck Mr. Guappa, Huzzah! and ReeReeG.

Good luck to all the novices this year. Follow the plan and advice on here and you'll get yourself on the start line which is half the battle when running a Marathon.
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Wow that time of year again.

Good luck to all using this thread, you have a great team leading you all to the Dublin start line.

Friends for life in the making right here over the next few months - that's guaranteed.
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Been waiting patiently for this!

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)

Most recent race was the Great Ireland Run 10K this year. Done it in 58 Mins.

Also done a couple of half marathons in 2014 Best being 2hours 1 min.

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)

No

How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.

Started Coach to 10K in November, I have been fairly consistent running 3 days a week. My long run is now up to 8 miles. So doing about 18 Miles per week now.


What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?

Love to get in under 4:30 but realistically would be happy finishing injury free!

How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?

Plan is to get up to 4 day a week. Will probably do Hal Higdon Novice plan. But i am open to suggestions.

What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
Why are you running this marathon?

Currently just over 15 stone and cant seem to shift the weight. Fear is I am too heavy to complete a marathon (5ft 10" male). Might need some nutrition advice also.

Reason i am running a marathon, is a goal to keep fit. I am now 42 and i feel its a period in your life where you can help dictate how you will be health wise into your 50's and 60's. I also want my kids (2 boys 5 and 12) see me take health serious and instill the importance of being active.
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Hi All!!! Newbie to this and looking forward to the months of pain ahead

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Yes. 5km is 27 mins and 10km is 57mins. I have done 16km in LSR but not in a race

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
No I don't unless i have a blister which i am currently suffering with

How much training do you currently do ? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
I train 4 days a week running between 8km onward on road and over 5km on track. I have started reformer pilates to change it up but that is one day every 2 weeks as it books up very quickly


What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
I hope to just finish it. It is my first marathon and I want to soak up the atmosphere

How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
I can train 4 days a week.

What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
Not finishing it or getting injured and not being able to partake in the marathon

Why are you running this marathon?
I want to prove to myself that I can do this cause if I can do it anyone can.
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Best of luck with this A

Just a observation, not sure that it's too much of a issue but the week commencing dates in the Novice plan are wrong
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Was dying for this thread to start! Thanks in advance to everyone for the help and direction.

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
o Only “race” has been two 5k park runs. 24.12 is best time. Training best 10K is 56.54.

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? (No problem if you do)
o No.

How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant to your current fitness level.
o I’ve been trying to build a base in advance of this thread coming along – currently run four times a week, Mon, Wed & Fri do 7k each run and Saturday mornings I do a long run – building up and longest one was last week 18k. All being run slow after reading much of last year’s thread recently!
o I haven’t done any cross training at all – just running – so need to improve that area for certain.

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time? Or just complete it in no specified time?
o #1 goal is to finish without having to walk. Dream finishing time would be 4 hours but honestly there is nothing in my training that would suggest I could achieve it – just a dream. More realistically I would love to finish in 4hr 30.

How many days a week can you train? And what plan do you intend to follow?
o Running wise I plan on continuing with four days. Haven’t really thought about cross training etc. Not sure what plan to follow yet.

What is your biggest worry/fear/doubt (if you have any!) in signing up?
o Injury. I was six weeks into a beginner’s half marathon training plan for the Wicklow Gaol Break in March and got patellar tendinitis and had to miss the race. Tried to build up distance in training too fast I think. Turns out I have profoundly flat feet (who knew!) and got prescription orthotics and am now back running 9 weeks without a problem. I got a taste of what it is like to have to sit out an injury so very keen to take everything very slowly now to avoid injury.

Why are you running this marathon?
o Always thought the idea of achieving finishing a marathon would be great but never really gave it a huge amount of thought – I didn’t think I was suited to running. After I started running last year the idea grew. In a bizarre way the solo long run on a Saturday morning has become something I really look forward to –something for me. I also love the role modelling aspect for my kids too.
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