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04-02-2019, 21:22   #1
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Council Inspection for HAP

Hi all,
the following is from the council's report of our rented property inspection... "Sitting room has a heat producing appliance. Change vent cover from open/close to one which is permanently fixed in an open position."

The room in question has an open fire place. There is no wall vent but there are vents in the windows. House built in 2008.
I cannot find the specific requirements in the regulations.

Any thoughts?
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04-02-2019, 22:28   #2
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Hi all,
the following is from the council's report of our rented property inspection... "Sitting room has a heat producing appliance. Change vent cover from open/close to one which is permanently fixed in an open position."

The room in question has an open fire place. There is no wall vent but there are vents in the windows. House built in 2008.
I cannot find the specific requirements in the regulations.

Any thoughts?
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Hi all,
the following is from the council's report of our rented property inspection... "Sitting room has a heat producing appliance. Change vent cover from open/close to one which is permanently fixed in an open position."

The room in question has an open fire place. There is no wall vent but there are vents in the windows. House built in 2008.
I cannot find the specific requirements in the regulations.

Any thoughts?

Need to get a vent hole bored through the wall.
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Hi all,
the following is from the council's report of our rented property inspection... "Sitting room has a heat producing appliance. Change vent cover from open/close to one which is permanently fixed in an open position."

The room in question has an open fire place. There is no wall vent but there are vents in the windows. House built in 2008.
I cannot find the specific requirements in the regulations.

Any thoughts?
Contact the person that signed the letter and they will gladly explain exactly what it is you have to do. They no more want to be calling back and forth to your rented property than you do.
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There is already a vent hole bored. It is just the internal cover needs to be changed for one that isn't closable. Shoudl cost about a tenner.

However, in my experience the closable vent covers as usually so flimsy and wobbly that they might as well be fully open while in the "closed" position.
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Hi all,
the following is from the council's report of our rented property inspection... "Sitting room has a heat producing appliance. Change vent cover from open/close to one which is permanently fixed in an open position."

The room in question has an open fire place. There is no wall vent but there are vents in the windows. House built in 2008.
I cannot find the specific requirements in the regulations.

Any thoughts?
Yea, sounds like the vent just has to be one that's open all the time.
I had an inspection about 15 months ago and was issued with a list of nonsense that was going to cost well over €1k. I ignored it and haven't heard from them since.
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I had something similar not with the HAP scheme but with SEAI grant scheme when i got external insulation installed..the SEAI inspector said that vent in the sitting was not ok because it could be closed. All that it needed to pass was for a screw to be fitted to keep the vent from being closed. I did it myself right in front of the inspector and he passed it there and then..easy fix!
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Thank you all of your input.
The tenant is not too keen on a new vent hole. She has seen one in a neighbour's house and it lets in a lot of noise from the estate outside.
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Thank you all of your input.
The tenant is not too keen on a new vent hole. She has seen one in a neighbour's house and it lets in a lot of noise from the estate outside.
You can get inserts that help prevent wind noise and other sounds.
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Thank you all of your input.
The tenant is not too keen on a new vent hole. She has seen one in a neighbour's house and it lets in a lot of noise from the estate outside.
Unfortunately that’s not your problem. Tell the tenant to take it up with the council.
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Yea, sounds like the vent just has to be one that's open all the time. I had an inspection about 15 months ago and was issued with a list of nonsense that was going to cost well over €1k. I ignored it and haven't heard from them since.
A colleague of mine said he also ignored it about 2 years ago and there was no further noise about it.

There are a few other minor items on the report that I don't mind doing, ie, window restrictors and putting the fire blanket in a more prominent place. These are clearly spelled out in the regs.
It was just that the regs are not so specific on the ventilation.
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A colleague of mine said he also ignored it about 2 years ago and there was no further noise about it.

There are a few other minor items on the report that I don't mind doing, ie, window restrictors and putting the fire blanket in a more prominent place. These are clearly spelled out in the regs.
It was just that the regs are not so specific on the ventilation.
In my case one of the things needed was a expelair fan in the kitchen. The problem is it’s not on an outside wall so the vent would need to go through the bathroom and one of the bedrooms. This requirement is not in the regs for a private tenant, just a hap tenant because the freeloaders are special. I’ve a pain in me hoop with the system and hopefully by next year I’ll be in a position to sell up and be shut of the whole fiasco. Sorry for the rant
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In my case one of the things needed was a expelair fan in the kitchen. The problem is it’s not on an outside wall so the vent would need to go through the bathroom and one of the bedrooms. This requirement is not in the regs for a private tenant, just a hap tenant because the freeloaders are special. I’ve a pain in me hoop with the system and hopefully by next year I’ll be in a position to sell up and be shut of the whole fiasco. Sorry for the rant

I totally understand where you're coming from. I look after that house and any issues have always been dealt with in a timely manner. The ventilation in the living room was fine for me for 5 years when I lived there.
I should be ready to bail out in about 3 years myself.
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the freeloaders are special.
This language is unacceptable and against the forum charter
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I'm beginning to **** myself. We've a tenant, he asked would we accept HAP as he's now entitled to it. We said OK not knowing we can get landed with a list a mile long of "improvements"

Apartment is in great condition, maintained annually and tenant never wants for anything repair wise or anything.

I'm seriously worried as we don't have the cash for all of this

What happens if you don't do the repairs. Is it as simple as not being eligible for HAP?
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