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03-08-2018, 12:47   #1
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Dishwasher necessary?

I'm planning a small kitchen in a property to rent out. How essential is it to have a dishwasher installed? It's going to be tight to fit a washer/dryer and dishwasher.
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03-08-2018, 12:51   #2
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Have you check out those slim fit dishwashers? They're ideal for smaller properties!
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Who is your target market?
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I'm planning a small kitchen in a property to rent out. How essential is it to have a dishwasher installed? It's going to be tight to fit a washer/dryer and dishwasher.

The more items you provide the more you have to fix/replace. In the current rental market you will have no problem renting without a dishwasher.

Remember being a landlord is a business!
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One bed apartment or studio and you'll get away without a dishwasher. Just remember to put in plenty of rack space for letting stuff dry or tenants will come up with their own solutions that may cause damp and/or rot.

Two-bed or bigger, not a hope.
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you can get slim / small dishwashers. If its a studio or one bed, you can probably get away without it...
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I’m 42 and have never owned a dishwasher in me life. They are far from necessary. If it’s tight for space I reckon most people would prefer the extra kitchen press for storage
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Eventually it will be a self contained 3 bed. I could possibly plumb in a washer dryer in the large upstairs airing cupboard but would have to come up with a way to contain inevitable leaks. I wonder how that's done in apartments to prevent water staining ceilings below.
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I wouldn't bother in a small place.
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Eventually it will be a self contained 3 bed. I could possibly plumb in a washer dryer in the large upstairs airing cupboard but would have to come up with a way to contain inevitable leaks. I wonder how that's done in apartments to prevent water staining ceilings below.
Its called tanking and is entirely possible via specialist liquid applied products.
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Its called tanking and is entirely possible via specialist liquid applied products.
Is it relatively inexpensive? I was also imagining installing it over a container drained to the waste water.
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Might be worth going into a bit of detail. This is a project with short, medium and long terms goals. I'm a widow with offspring between 20 and 26. Daughter moved out but sons unlikely to go for a few years yet. I want them to be more independent and I want my own space. The house isn't huge but because of a granny flat built before we bought it it is laid out in such a way I could divide it so that there is one 3 bedroomed home and one 1 bedroomed home each with their own kitchens and living rooms.

So short term plan is turn an existing downstairs bedroom into kitchen. Rent out a currently unused single room. Maybe get hundred a week for it and say another hundred for electricity. Leave the two sons and the new tenant to sort themselves just like any other rental situation.

Medium term - as sons move take on more single tenants. (Scare stories have put me off renting to a family).

Long term - comfortable 3 bed home available for one of my offspring to rent from me when they have a family.

So my first step is a basic but solid Ikea kitchen.

Thoughts?
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I think that kind of project might take value off of the property. Maybe that’s not a concern for you as you won’t be selling.

€100 a week I take it you’re not in a city? Had you considered airbnb for the extra income? It’s also a fun little business.
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I live in a 2 bed apt and don't have a dishwasher and really don't need one. Only takes 10 mins to wash the dishes and saucepans and put them on the drying rack. I let a 1 bed out and it doesn't have a dishwasher and the tenants have never requested one.

That said, dishwashers are very handy. Grew up in a house with one and rented places with one. Slimline ones are ideal for apartment kitchens. If you're not opting for one, at least get a chrome metal drying rack from Ikea or Woodies. Plastic ones collect dirt and dont stack as effeciently.

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Is it relatively inexpensive? I was also imagining installing it over a container drained to the waste water.
Yeah it wouldn't be big job for a contractor, little more work to it if you want to install a flush floor mounted drain (ie plumber involved) but still not a big job and you'd be getting a plumber in anyway for the washing machine pipework.
Contractor would probably need to over board the floor and maybe sides of cupboard up to height of 300mm or so. Would probably want to build up a lip at the door also to prevent water spilling out onto landing.

Water proofing product is then painted on eg. MAPEI - mapegum WPS

All in all fairly straight forward.
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