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27-06-2018, 11:37   #1
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Brexit discussion thread IV

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Tories 'deserve to lose' if they carry on feuding over public spending and Brexit, admits Theresa May’s former policy chief

Leaving the EU has become 'an alley street-cat fight between rival gangs', George Freeman says

“I think if we lose our reputation for economic competence, if we can't show that we are managing the public finances properly, if we treat Brexit like an anti-business moment, contemptuous of the concerns of business, and if we don't show that we have a distinctive conservative approach to supporting enterprise, risk, hard work, savings, and we go down the road of big tax rises, big spending spree, anti-business, I fear we will lose and we'll deserve to,” Mr Freeman said.

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27-06-2018, 11:38   #2
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There is no doubt that Cameron takes the blame for the ref, but this narrative that May is somehow locked in and cannot make decisions.

She has allowed this "will of the people" mantra to take hold. She allowed, by going on with the inane "BRexit means BRexit nonsense to let anybody pick whatever they wanted. The like of Boris and JRM picked the hardest form.

She has allowed Boris to repeatedly undermine her. She has allowed her cabinet be taken over by internal divisions and allowed them to be broadcast to the world.

She didn't bother to stand up to the DUP in December.

She went out and gave the speech including the red lines, she took the hostile line about getting what we want or we will walk away. These are her decisions. She is the PM, the person with the ultimate power.
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Well I don’t actually see much difference between current Tory rhetoric and the rhetoric of Marine Le Pen or AfD. They aren’t centre right anymore.

May is politely spoken but other than that, she’s leading a right wing party in de facto coalition with one of the most extreme right wing parties in the EU.
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There is no doubt that Cameron takes the blame for the ref, but this narrative that May is somehow locked in and cannot make decisions.

She has allowed this "will of the people" mantra to take hold. She allowed, by going on with the inane "BRexit means BRexit nonsense to let anybody pick whatever they wanted. The like of Boris and JRM picked the hardest form.

She has allowed Boris to repeatedly undermine her. She has allowed her cabinet be taken over by internal divisions and allowed them to be broadcast to the world.

She didn't bother to stand up to the DUP in December.

She went out and gave the speech including the red lines, she took the hostile line about getting what we want or we will walk away. These are her decisions. She is the PM, the person with the ultimate power.

She has been given ways out as well. If she really wanted to she could have stopped everything and started a proper investigation into campaign finances of Vote Leave and if this undermined the vote. She could have asked for a new vote seeing that there is enough evidence that there has been collusion between the campaigns and there might have been interference from outside.

She has that power but has barreled ahead without a care with her head down and not looking at what she is doing.

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Over 30,000 comments later, 18 months or so, and we still have no clarity whatsoever on what Brexit will look like! Here's to 40,000!
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Over 30,000 comments later, 18 months or so, and we still have no clarity whatsoever on what Brexit will look like! Here's to 40,000!
Dark, hard and bitter; exactly as I like my stout as well
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Try and sell that . Grieve's amendment last week being voted down proved this train cant be stopped. Only road out is for May to convince the middle of the road or big business like Airbus to put the fears into the moderates.

But remember - May wants out.

Not sure how much more dramatic this can get though.
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There does seem to be a certain narrative that May is gamely trying to ward off the hard brexiteers and is playing a sly game.

I just don't buy it. At every opportunity she has chosen the path to hard brexit. The election attempt to get a super majority could well have been that, but certainly the decision to accept the DUP, whether purposefully of not in terms of Brexit, made the chance far more likely.

She then went off on her red lines speech, she might have believed that the EU would bend but she has always stated that NO deal is better than a bad deal, ie she is quite prepared to risk a hard Brexit.

Her attempt to leverage the EU citizens rights as a bargaining ship was another play.

Her time as Home Secretary, she barley disguised her contempt for the ECJ. The only way to get away from that is hard Brexit.

So, my reading of it is that May would like a better deal, who wouldn't want a better deal in anything, but hard brexit is fine with her. Any concessions she can get is icing on the cake.
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The Chequers summit has reportedly been cancelled:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...-brexit-2018-6
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The Chequers summit has reportedly been cancelled:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...-brexit-2018-6
Ehhh... ok.... so white paper? Any kind of paper will do really.
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The Chequers summit has reportedly been cancelled:

http://uk.businessinsider.com/theres...-brexit-2018-6
No, it hasn't been cancelled; it has been expanded into an all-Cabinet meeting (as opposed to just a meeting of the Brexit subcommittee of the Cabinet).
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No, it hasn't been cancelled; it has been expanded into an all-Cabinet meeting (as opposed to just a meeting of the Brexit subcommittee of the Cabinet).
Well yes and no; it was suppose to be a two day meeting with war cabinet day 1 (Thursday) and the wider cabinet on day 2 (Friday). Day 1 has now been cancelled and it's only a 1 day meeting with the wider cabinet.

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Me thinks the business community has made their Voice made, There is alot of bewildered politicians going in there having been given it in the ear from Business big and small.
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