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27-06-2018, 12:10   #301
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A political/personal rant with zero relevance to the thread.

Read my post again. You will see i stated good progress in improving DB service has been made in past decade. And that i think Bus Connects is a good plan. Those points are relevant to this thread.


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27-06-2018, 12:15   #302
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I really don't think he can be described as "leftist" in any way, shape or form.


This I can agree on. Fine Gael don't seem to do...much at all? Donohue must be one of the most reclusive finance ministers we've ever had.

What i mean is Leo is constantly virtue signaling to the leftist political ideology in his actions. This virtue signaling can now be seen in all actions the government takes.
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we have a politics forum for this crap.
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Mod: Politics is >>>>> That away!

This is about infrastructure. The only politics allowed is Nymbyism and Parishpumpism - as practised by many politicos.

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28-06-2018, 01:23   #305
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NTA have tendered for infrastructure director for the BusConnects scheme

https://irl.eu-supply.com/app/rfq/pu.../publictenders
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That's just nonsense.

And you think that everything happens in the Park in some sort of bubble whereby the locals don't enjoy it?

Nice little earner for the State rather than the city? What is thatmeant to mean at all? And why would you think DCC would do a better job at "managing" the Park?
When paid events close off the park no one except the patrons can use it. Other events also cause sections of the park and its roads to be put out of use for anyone except the participants. That's less irritating to me than the paid events though.
The earner comment was a sly dig I suppose, but assume OPW must charge a hefty fee when the park is used private events like pop concerts.
Surely they don't just give it to the promoters/event managers for nothing?

The park is a big chunk of land and roads almost in the centre of Dublin.
The OPW are yet another state body sharing part of responsibility for poor transport for in Dublin. Whetever about effectiveness of DCC, reducing number of quangos etc involved in transport in Dublin would be a good thing IMO.

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Why so against teh "closures" at the weekend? Does it interfere with your race through it?
Ha, I don't race. Given your irritation here, you're probably the kind of driver who is crawling up my exhaust pipe because I'm not breaking the speed limit by at least 10 km/hr. It has caused me trouble as the closures of the roads are random & I forget to keep an eye on what events are on. Section of road I've needed to use is usually not closed though, unless its some very large event.

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Running passenger service buses (tours already use it) through the park is a no go and tbh very stupid. For starters as soon as you get out of the park (NS) you hit Castleknock and then what? Have huge queues of buses waiting to get through teh one-way gate at the top of Cherstefield Avenue.
Would have thought it would be good for express type services from Blanchardstown and beyond that are not stopping till they get close to city centre. Especially if cars were banned from the main avenue
It is not beyond abilities to change gate layout to take 2 lanes.


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They would be better served fixing up the Blackhorse Avenue priority and the road itself which is a disgrace and allowing the 37 travel the full length of it to Aughrim St rather than that mental diversion via the Navan Road and then Skreen Road. That should come first before the amount of work that would have to be done to allow buses to use the Phoenix Park as a commuter channel.
Maybe my memory of this route is incorrect, but fixing that properly not need use of part of the Phoenix Park for new bus lanes on that route (as opposed to CPOing hundreds of houses and some blocks of flats)? Doubt the OPW would like it!
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Jarrett Walker on Twitter:

Just arrived in #Dublin. Big announcement Monday about a new bus network for Ireland's capital!

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I just read a very interesting update from dublinbuses.com about the hybrid bus trial with Dublin Bus.

Updated 26 June...Nine hybrid buses are expected to be trialled by Dublin Bus during 2018 and 2019. They will be supplied by three manufacturers and used on one specific route. A full order of a quantity of hybrid buses is expected approximately a year later.

http://dublinbuses.com/

I hope that we will hear more details from Jarret Walker tomorrow about these new buses. It is possible with this figure of new hybrid buses that it is not going to be continue from Wrights if two more manufacturers are involved. There could be a possibility here that other manufacturers could overtake Wrights as being the main winner of this new hybrid trial once the tests are finished sometime next year. This is really big news to take in from Dublin Bus & the NTA, If the other manufacturers overtake Wrights with a significant new order of hybrid buses; this will suggests to us that the relationship Wrights & Dublin Bus will be changing to more of a possible maintenance role for their remaining vehicles with Dublin Bus. This relationship with Wrights & Dublin Bus has currently in place for 10 years. We hear a lot from posters on boards that the SGs are not very favourable with lots of Dublin Bus drivers. The quality of the Wrights vehicles with Dublin Bus over those 10 years have been a mix of good and bad. The VGs & GTs have notably had a really positive mood among both drivers & passengers alike. The SGs have been the biggest failures for this current tenure of operating in Dublin. They are slow, clunky & their build quality have been really poor.

Wrights still has strong relationships in place for the future, through the NTA, with other operators Bus Eireann & Go-Ahead Ireland. But most of us here don't know how much longer that relationship with Wrights is going to last with Go Ahead Ireland. This is because they have yet begun their running their Irish operations yet from their new depot in Ballymount. I'm not sure of the current status of Bus Eireann's relationship with Wrights becuase I very rarely use their services. The last time that I had used their service as a passenger was in 2004 when going between Wicklow Town & Busaras.

For any bus passenger or driver going around Dublin right now while being stuck with the new SGs for a good few years. This to them sounds like great news as there were knowingly fed up with how these buses have increased the likelihood of having slow unreliable services for years because of increasing traffic issues in Dublin since the Luas Cross City is now here and because of increasing unreliability within their own fleet making some of their scheduled bus services becoming cancelled due to increased breakdowns.

If you were contemplating having nine hybrid buses for Dublin Bus. We have live up to reality here that we will have a mixed bus fleet available to us when they arrive in Dublin meaning we don't know how that is going to be made up. That could become a bit of a challenge because these buses are only going on one route. What would be your preferred route for these new vehicles if you had the choice?

I would say either the 44 & 140 as my own choices here. Anyone else?

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I just read a very interesting update from dublinbuses.com about the hybrid bus trial with Dublin Bus.

Updated 26 June...Nine hybrid buses are expected to be trialled by Dublin Bus during 2018 and 2019. They will be supplied by three manufacturers and used on one specific route. A full order of a quantity of hybrid buses is expected approximately a year later.

http://dublinbuses.com/
Interesting so they must be being introduced on a high frequency route which needs a lot of buses. Let's hope they don't suffer a similar fate to last hybrid buses.
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Interesting so they must be being introduced on a high frequency route which needs a lot of buses. Let's hope they don't suffer a similar fate to last hybrid buses.
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Report is now out from Jarrett Walker
https://busconnects.ie/media/1228/bu...gn-summary.pdf
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Why are we redesigning the network?
- The city is growing and we need to plan the bus network to cater for that growth.
- The current bus network is complex which makes it hard to remember and use easily.
- There are few orbital routes, making it hard to move around the outer parts of the city.
- There are many overlapping routes, where the bus services are not evenly spaced.
- There is a need to better integrate our networks of bus, trams and trains.

How will you make the network better?
- Increase the overall amount of bus services.
- Provide new and frequent orbital services connecting more outer parts of the city together.
- Simplify the bus services on the key radial into “spines” where all buses will operate under a
common letter system and buses will run very frequently and be more evenly spaced.
- Increase the number of routes where buses will come every 15 minutes or less all day.

Will we have more or less bus services?
The redesigned bus network means an increase in bus services by over one quarter (27%), with much of that increase delivering additional “all-day” services. So there will be substantially more bus services operating across the Dublin region following the network redesign.

What are the benefits of the proposed new network?
Overall the proposed new network of bus services will enable more people to travel to more places more easily. Some of the specific outcomes will be:

- Nearly one million Dublin-area residents will be located within 400 metres of a bus service operating every 15 minutes or better, an increase of about 30%.
- The number of residents located within 400 metres of public transport service operatingn every 10 minutes or better will increase by 35%.
- The number of jobs or students located within 400 metres of public transport service operating every 10 minutes or better will increase by 19%.

Will people have to change buses more?
Many people won’t need to change buses but some people will. In some cases, people whocurrently have a direct service may have to change buses to get to their destination. However,because these two buses will operate on routes with a much higher frequency of service, inmost cases people will be able to get to their destination in a shorter overall trip time.

What about the fares?
We will simplify fares across bus, Luas and DART. There will be two Leap fares:

- A “90 Minute Fare” that covers all bus, DART or Luas trips started within 90 minutes.
- This 90 Minute Fare will allow you any combination of bus, Luas and DART for your journey, subject to the last leg commencing within 90 minutes of the start of the overall trip.
- A short distance fare paid each trip for short journeys.

Cash fares will continue to be available but will be payable for each trip.

Is this proposal fully decided?
No, the National Transport Authority (NTA) has put these proposals forward for public consultation. There are details available on www.busconnects.ie and you can give your views online or by post. The public submissions period will start on Monday 16th July and run to Friday14th September.

Will there be information meetings for the public?
Yes, the NTA will be arranging a series of local information sessions at various venues around the Dublin region. Those information sessions will be staffed by both NTA personnel and by Dublin Bus personnel and people will be able to get information on their particular queries.

Details of the venues and dates will be uploaded to the website www.busconnects.ie and will also be advertised in various newspapers.
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Report is now out from Jarrett Walker
https://busconnects.ie/media/1228/bu...gn-summary.pdf
After a cursory browse through that doc, the first thing that jumps out at me and is a welcome surprise is just how positive the results of the initial public consultation survey are. This bodes well.
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I saw a tweet from an old lecturer of mine, labelling it a precursor to privatisation, and I have to agree with him (and disagree with privatisation) but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
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I saw a tweet from an old lecturer of mine, labelling it a precursor to privatisation, and I have to agree with him (and disagree with privatisation) but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it.
That's a pretty big jump from reorganising the network to privatisation! What parts of the plan make you most worried, is it the improved frequency, changes to the ticketing or the fact that there's a plan at all?
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