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11-02-2018, 07:52   #1
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Analogue Super NT

Anyone getting this, or is it even possible to buy in Ireland? It looks pretty impressive, but not sure I could justify the costs at the moment.

Here is a review from MetalJesusRocks:

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12-02-2018, 03:17   #2
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Love the idea of FPGA clones. They may be costly now but will preserve the experience years down the line when the original consoles will stop working, and with 100% emulation accuracy.
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Jeremy Parish was very impressed in his review. His only complaints were the lack of analogue output, it's HDMI only and they also haven't jailbroken the FPGA on the system. The NES NT Mini was jailbroken by the supplier meaning you could update the FPGA with other consoles meaning it could run other 8 bit systems. However that functionality might be on the way.
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I dont really see the appeal over the SNES mini with that kind of price difference.

I personally couldnt care if im emulating via a real cart or an SD card etc.. its still emulation at the end of the day.

If youre that hell bent and if you have carts in the first place.. you'll have a real system, or several in your collection anyway. There were what, 50 million systems sold world wide? You'll still be able pick up replacements consoles up for peanuts for decades to come.
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I personally couldnt care if im emulating via a real cart or an SD card etc.. its still emulation at the end of the day.
It's emulation via FPGA, which means it's hardware based, rather than a software emulation solution. In theory, this would mean that programmers are able to emulate the original hardware to a higher degree, but in again, it all comes down to the programming.

It's fair to say that Byuu (author of the cycle exact Snes emulator bsnes, now known as Higan), knows what he's talking about when it comes to the topic at hand:

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Recently, there's been a lot of news hype around the Analogue Super Nt. And unfortunately, sites like Polygon are putting out glorified press releases instead of reporting factual information. So I'd like to dispel some dangerous misrepresentations now before they spread further.
  • FPGA devices are emulators too
  • nothing inherently makes FPGAs more accurate than software emulation
  • latency is caused by host operating systems, not by choice of programming language
  • the Analogue CEO is selling you a product; so expect hyped marketing claims
  • As immediate evidence that the Super Nt is not perfect, the initial hardware release ships with a bug that causes Rendering Ranger to be unplayable. I am sure it will be fixed soon, but it demonstrates right away that the Super Nt is not a perfect clone of the SNES.
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Is what they're doing more accurate than what is achievable with your emulator, byuu? Are they really getting all the snes circuitry, timing, nuances, etc working as physical connections on that FPGA?
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Definitely not.
So it really comes down to the software driving things; software emulators can be exceptional, & they can be awful. Similarly, the notion that FPGA emulation is automatically superior, isn't gospel.

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If youre that hell bent and if you have carts in the first place.. you'll have a real system, or several in your collection anyway. There were what, 50 million systems sold world wide? You'll still be able pick up replacements consoles up for peanuts for decades to come.
Exactly.
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12-02-2018, 21:36   #6
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FPGA based yokes are simulation not emulation, subtle but important difference. That said, if not implement correctly then they suck monkeyballs.

Sure, its a nice console and all but the world has plenty of ways to play SNES these days, and so for people complaining it doesn't have analog output ? Get a real SNES ffs then !!
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I'm not too excited about this, i can see why some are but like LastBandit says just get a SNES (which i have).
Hopefully it will get less expensive but i think Nintendo have the repro market wrapped up with their minis.
They will keep their value in to future.

Also makes more sense for the likes of an arcade machine where we can use an FPGA replica of a Tempest board, but each to their own.
These things are getting harder and harder to fix.

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There's definitely a space for it for certain individuals, primarily down to it's AV suitability with modern setups as not everyone with original hardware will have access to a proper CRT option. Especially if they have a significant collection of titles (of all regions) and/or flashcart options, still have controllers etc and want to avoid the traditional clone dumpers and all the issues they bring to the table.

Cost is the issue here, as you're looking at another 50 bucks straight away for shipping, plus the extra cost if a controller is required. Have taken the plunge personally (for some of the reasons above), though went back and forth a few times before committing.........hopefully some UK based options may appear or Play Asia finalise a reasonable price etc
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Major want for a Tempest cab now... dang...
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Sure, its a nice console and all but the world has plenty of ways to play SNES these days, and so for people complaining it doesn't have analog output ? Get a real SNES ffs then !!
Well in Jeremy Parishes defense, he is doing a video series on the SNES, NES and Gameboy and is going out of his way to capture footage as close to as it would have been back when they were released. His whole capture set up is based on RGB output. And it's a bit of a step down from the NT mini which offered all sorts of analog output.

Still it's made the system a hell of a lot more affordable and admits it's a minor complaint for the majority of people.
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Well in Jeremy Parishes defense, he is doing a video series on the SNES, NES and Gameboy and is going out of his way to capture footage as close to as it would have been back when they were released. His whole capture set up is based on RGB output. And it's a bit of a step down from the NT mini which offered all sorts of analog output.

Still it's made the system a hell of a lot more affordable and admits it's a minor complaint for the majority of people.
Ah not having a go at him (specifically), just suffering from retro-fatigue.

Too many youtubers nitpicking the slightest thing in order to eek out a few more views..
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Gotta be edgy apparently, to get the views.
Or just an @sshole, ask Jim Sterling!
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Jeremy Parish is quite possibly as far from the typical youtuber bull**** you can find. Proper old school games journalist and a total dork. He is closer to an archivist than loud mouthed youtube celebrity wannabe.

His SNES mini NT breakdown is pretty much the only one you need if you want all the pros and cons.

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Does anyone else find the Analogue website a bit up it's own arse?

The Super Nt is not a plug n' play toy. It is the definitive way to explore Nintendo's 16-bit era.

16bit in 1080p is stunning. Every pixel is razor sharp, producing an astounding level of clarity. You'll experience video quality so extraordinary - it's like playing SNES for the first time.

We designed and manufactured the Super Nt with the utmost attention to detail. Engineered with an uncompromising attitude to quality.

There's something about the person's writing, it really gets on my tits.
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Typical marketing w**k

Think the youtuber that triggered my rage was some muppet ranting about how the product was being mis-sold as the transparent case wasn't transparent enough..
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