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24-11-2014, 01:16   #8281
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Far from it. Can be useful but if a fella can pick off scores in a forward line I'd take him any day. What about a fella that has a great hand and great striker of a ball off both sides. Dismiss him because its all about pace? Ive seen plenty of lads with pace but cant field a ball and striking piss poor when they get in great positions.
No disputing Shane O Rourke's ability but its a huge step up to inter county where the pace of hurling would be 10 times faster than what he has been playing. But I suppose you can use the likes of the Prendergasts,eoin Murphy,jack Kennedy(before he moved to DLS)as examples of players that made the switch to this level comfortably but I do think he would have to get into better physical shape if he was to be considered. I suppose there has been worse players tried out down through the years so to be fair to him if he was willing to work on the physical side he could be considered. Cappoquin wouldn't be county and Munster champions without him that's for sure.
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Far from it. Can be useful but if a fella can pick off scores in a forward line I'd take him any day. What about a fella that has a great hand and great striker of a ball off both sides. Dismiss him because its all about pace? Ive seen plenty of lads with pace but cant field a ball and striking piss poor when they get in great positions.
Name a slow inter-county hurler that plays for a major hurling county.

Cian McCarthy is head and shoulders the best half-forward in club hurling in Cork. Why doesn't he start or even make the Cork panel? Zero pace.

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24-11-2014, 07:40   #8283
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Just wondering how Archie Knox is feeling this morning? 16k to win a western title!!!
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Senior county hurling is all about pace.........
Its attatutes like that here in Waterford is holding us back. Some seem to think that you have to be a fast player to get on the teams and be successful. Its no good having a team where everyone does the same thing the same way. You have to have players involved who offer different things. Seamus Prendergast or Stephen Molumphy never put up what you would call big scores in games for Waterford ( i know they got there 2 or 3 points) yet they won many games for Waterford doing what others were not doing.
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Name a slow inter-county hurler that plays for a major hurling county.

Cian McCarthy is head and shoulders the best half-forward in club hurling in Cork. Why doesn't he start or even make the Cork panel? Zero pace.
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24-11-2014, 12:04   #8286
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Good example of a lad who by and large doesn't pull his weight in the big games because he is too slow to work hard. For all his natural talent had only one really good game last year. In general was a lot more impressive when he first came on the scene compared to now.

Luckily for him, like Horgan and Canning, he is undroppable regardless of his form.
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Good example of a lad who by and large doesn't pull his weight in the big games because he is too slow to work hard. For all his natural talent had only one really good game last year. In general was a lot more impressive when he first came on the scene compared to now.

Luckily for him, like Horgan and Canning, he is undroppable regardless of his form.
Would agree but I think his biggest obstacle is strength and commitment to winning dirty ball. He just doesn't have that, needs space or hes at nothing. Mind you, Paudie Walsh ate him for 20 minutes in the drawn game and after that I though he was Tipps best forward (though not saying a lot).

Pace is definitely important but I wouldn't necessarily write off a player if hes a bit slower. I think he's worth trying given the lack of forwards we have at the minute, certainly don't see the harm in it.
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Just wondering how Archie Knox is feeling this morning? 16k to win a western title!!!
Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.
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Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.
Dungarvan will only get stronger in coming years, expect them to win a county soon, especially with the players they are recruiting
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24-11-2014, 21:58   #8290
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Seriously get you facts right before you go making stupid statements.
Sorry was I wrong? Is it closer to 20k is that what you're trying to tell me!!
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I had not realized Cappaquin were such outsiders to win on Saturday. Congrats and thanks for bringing a trophy back to the Deise. I wonder did the Cornerstone lads put money on em last week at 18-1 to win the All Ireland. They are now 7-2 as Munster champions would be favorites to beat O Donovan Rossa in the semi. The history between Antrim and Waterford Club sides would suggest its hardly a foregone conclusion (besides the Northeners have a decent U16 team #only messing but not really).

Cappaquins involvement in the Club Championship precludes their better players from being involved in the winter challenge games and Waterford Crystal Cup. So the opportunity for a Murray and O Rourke and others to wear a county jersey anytime soon is unlikely. Fintan O Connor would have a good idea whose capable anyway. Also I was not aware previously of Fintan O Connor's involvement in the WIT Fitzgibbon win last Feb so fair play to him.

One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February
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I had not realized Cappaquin were such outsiders to win on Saturday. Congrats and thanks for bringing a trophy back to the Deise. I wonder did the Cornerstone lads put money on em last week at 18-1 to win the All Ireland. They are now 7-2 as Munster champions would be favorites to beat O Donovan Rossa in the semi. The history between Antrim and Waterford Club sides would suggest its hardly a foregone conclusion (besides the Northeners have a decent U16 team #only messing but not really).

Cappaquins involvement in the Club Championship precludes their better players from being involved in the winter challenge games and Waterford Crystal Cup. So the opportunity for a Murray and O Rourke and others to wear a county jersey anytime soon is unlikely. Fintan O Connor would have a good idea whose capable anyway. Also I was not aware previously of Fintan O Connor's involvement in the WIT Fitzgibbon win last Feb so fair play to him.

One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February
Didn't even think of it. Also forgot O'Connor was involved with Bonnar in WIT this year.
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Didn't think of that either, we'll take it. Will still be a tough place to go and get a result but if we're to get back to Div 1, we'd need to get results in Limerick and Wexford.

On that note, it'll be interesting to see if the extended lay off for many of our players will be beneficial for next season. By the time the lads go back into preseason and Crystal cup, nearly all of them will have gone a few months without much if any game time. Even at that it will only have been club and maybe a few college games. Hopefully the break will allow them to come back fresh for 2015.
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One other thing, did anyone else shout for Kilmallock yesterday in the hope that 3 of Limerick's best players would not be available for the league game in February
Gavin O'Mahony is suspended for his club, can he tog out for the county? I think there used to be a way of playing club if you were serving an intercounty suspension - maybe they've done away with that.
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All clubs were sent a text on 19th September inviting all players whjo will be minor next year to training. I asked our club secretary as my youngest brother is that age and he showed me the text, it came from John Quinn below in the city.

For the record, Tim Lenahan is very popular with the players I hear and I know Oran Curran from last year also involved. They played 4 matches in an U17 tournament recently in Munster and all players who wanted to be there were looked at.

And before you go there, I'm not Tim or Oran and I don't even know Tim to see to be honest, but the young lads coming back with good reports. A lot of the lads you refer to above played and were looked at during the U17 tournament. I don't doubt your passion, but its important to get the facts right. If players didn't get word of training then they might want to ask their clubs why not.
I am aware of this as Balinacourty club sec was sent this but it wasn't an open training session as only Conor Prunty/John Elsted/David Looby and Ronan Mansfield were allowed go to the training because the first 3 were county minor last year and Mansfield was u16. Not any minor was allowed attend. As Luke O Connor who was on holidays at the time of u17 training wasn't able to go. There are certain players on that panel who don't deserve to be there in fairness. They reason they are on it and everyone knows it's with a lot of players, they peaked early around u13 and other players take time. But if your telling me that Carthach Barry who started in the western/county final and Munster semi final for Brickey rangers at corner back, and was one of the best on the day doesn't deserve to start for county why does someone who came through u16 and u17 do but yet they have never once even made the bench of there intermediate/senior team. I get the idea of given them a shot but when it comes to show I'll go with the lads who have experience playing intermediate/senior football compared to the lads who played u16/17 county because playing intermediate/senior club football is around county minor standard.

From what I heard about four Brickey boys, I heard in the local a few weeks ago off someone who has played with these lads and it is, Carthach Barry last year choose county hurling, Maurice Daly never went to any trial however he was dragged up to the u16 tournament cause they realised his ability however Maurice plays East Munster rugby, Cathal Curran choose u16 hurling and Paul Whelan had the bone come out of his knee at 14 and missed 1 and half years but returned last year. All of these boys have said to the man I talked too that they would play and train if invited but weren't invited because they didn't play u16. Yet next year Barry will be centre back, Curran Wing back, and Daly and Whelan Midfield. In division 1 football in Waterford and two midfielders and and a centre back of a div 1 side are left out of the panel simply down to not playing u16/17 county. But yet Barry and Whelan who played intermediate this year are left out and have experience against big players compared to people who have only ever minor football. Not many are Barry's speed Daly's strength or Whelan's height/catch/kicking (about 6ft 3/4)

Is the purpose of there being a county having the best 15 on the field? Well already I say only about 10 of the 15 in minor are on the panel. There are other players neglected, Sean Crotty of Dungarvan who is again a midfielder in div 1 football who is 6ft 1 neglected. Even my own Club man Cormac Dwyer, abit lazy, but an incredibly skill full player, he may not start. But when the courty football centre back ain't in the panel there is something wrong. People need to tell the likes of Tim Lenihan and his backroom staff of these players. A Munster title isn't far from reach, it will take a lot of work, and money needs to be put into physically building some if these players. But it is possible, Waterford will never have a better chance at a Munster Title.

It will be another unfortunate year if already 5 of 15 aren't even been looked at that should be starting. There a few on the panel from ye east from what I heard however none are near the standard really, if you look at the teams in div 1 really only two are from the east. I am pretty sure this is div 1 football next year:
1) Balinacourty
2) Brickey Rangers
3) DLS
4) Dungarvan
5) The Nire
6) Stradbally
7) Gaultier
8) Spot playoff

I heard seeing as Clashmore (although they win div 2 last year) lost a lot of players there will be a playoff between the top four teams of div 2 last year, Rathgormack, St. Oliver's, Cois Bride, Clashmore. As you can see little eastern teams in div 1 despite there big pool of players and that's all down too them not bothered with football. And smaller western teams with small pools of players they go farther.

Soz again for the very long post.
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