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Complete engine repair/rebuild - pic heavy

  • 17-05-2012 11:50pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭


    Another few pics to bore you all:P

    A step by step(roughly) on a complete engine overhaul/rebuild.


    This engine, a z14xep from a 2008 Opel astra, was suffering from very high oil consumption and was also loosing power at higher speeds(anything above 120km/h was a struggle). A leakdown test on all cylinders, showed 70% pressure loss on number 2 and 3 and a little under 50% on 1 and 4, after adding some oil to the each cylinder, the pressure loss dropped to just over 20% on all, so worn/damaged piston rings where proved by the above results to be the main problem.

    However, it turned out, after an admission by the owner, the car had only been serviced properly twice in its 4 year and 115,000km life and had been let run low on oil numerous times...so it was decided that a complete inspection and overhaul(as well as a new appreciation for vehicle maintenance) was to be done.


    So........

    Engine out and most ancillaries removed:

    DSCF4036.jpg

    Rocker cover removed, surprisingly, it doesn't look to bad around the cams:

    DSCF4037.jpg

    Crank and water pump pullies off:

    DSCF4038.jpg

    Engine flipped over to begin removing the sump bolts:

    DSCF4039.jpg

    And the sump removed, things looking a but worse in here:

    DSCF4040.jpg

    With the sump off the chain cover come off next:

    DSCF4041.jpg

    And the chain, tensioner, guides and cams removed:

    DSCF4042.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Next up the head is removed:

    DSCF4044.jpg

    With the head removed, evidence of excess oil burning in the combustion chambers become obvious. Note the heavy build up on the piston crowns, cylinder 2 and 3 especially:

    DSCF4043.jpg

    Engine upside down again, this time to remove the big end bearing caps to release the pistons and con rods:

    DSCF4045.jpg

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    Number 1 con rod and piston assembly removed:

    DSCF4047.jpg

    With number 2 removed, the cause of the problem becomes visable, the oil scraper ring is completely seized into the ringland, and bad build up on the secondary compression ring and around the sides of the pistons:

    DSCF4048.jpg

    Old rings removed:

    DSCF4049.jpg

    All the heavy deposits cleaned from the piston, if left as they were, the amount of build up on the piston crowns would have lead to poor combustion, 'hot spots' amongst other issues:

    DSCF4050.jpg

    And all 4 cleaned and ready for new rings:

    DSCF4051.jpg

    The cylinder head is also getting a full clean and recondition to replace valve seals and re-seat the valves due, again, to heavy build up:

    DSCF4052.jpg

    As on the piston crown, the valves showed a thick build up from the oil being burned, both on the combustion side of the valve, and, on the exhaust valves, the port side:

    DSCF4055.jpg

    DSCF4056.jpg

    I won't go in to much more detail on the head rebuild as its all pretty much the same as what's in the repair after timing belt failure thread. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77563130

    Piston rings arriving tomorrow so ring gapping and fitting and cylinder/block preparation to come......if your really bored:P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭Bobo78


    Nice one, love seeing pictures like this :)
    One question for you, when engine is suffering from burning oil issue would replacing the rings and valve stem seals solve the problem or would it require much more extensive work to block and head?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭Jimdagym


    Great work doc. I just adore these threads.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Bobo78 wrote: »
    Nice one, love seeing pictures like this :)
    One question for you, when engine is suffering from burning oil issue would replacing the rings and valve stem seals solve the problem or would it require much more extensive work to block and head?


    It depends on the extent of any damage or wear but generally, ring and stem seal will cover the cause of the vast majority of oil burning issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    LIGHTNING wrote: »
    Great stuff! Since their is a lot of labour whats roughly the cost of the above work?


    I think the final bill for this job is close to 2k but that includes a couple of other bits an bobs too like 2 tyres, brake pads etc.

    Now if it were a Porsche.......:eek::P


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  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭trixyben


    Can I ask just how exactly or how exactly the piston rings do there jobs? is the whole piston shaft submerged in oil all the time? then when piston coming down the rings prevent oil from getting into the combustion chamber? If thats the case they surely the walls of the chamber will have oil deposits and burnt oil will gather over time? What are the rings constructed from are they metal or rubber?

    Also the pistons came up great after a clean Doc, how and what did ya use to clean them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    trixyben wrote: »
    Can I ask just how exactly or how exactly the piston rings do there jobs? is the whole piston shaft submerged in oil all the time? then when piston coming down the rings prevent oil from getting into the combustion chamber? If thats the case they surely the walls of the chamber will have oil deposits and burnt oil will gather over time? What are the rings constructed from are they metal or rubber?

    Also the pistons came up great after a clean Doc, how and what did ya use to clean them?

    The con rod etc is not submerged in oil but the cylinder wall, under the pistons, gets sprayed with oil by the movement of the crank(some engines have nozzles which spray oil onto the underside of the pistons too) so the oil scraper ring(the bottom ring) removes this oil from the cylinder walls as the piston comes down the bore.

    The top ring, or two rings in this case and as on most modern cars, are the compression rings, these seal the gap between the cylinder walls and the piston so as little compression as possible is lost as the piston is pushed upwards. The rings are metal and seal by being naturally slightly larger diameter then the bore, so when they are fitted into the grooves in the piston(ringlands)and then into the cylinder, they push out against the cylinder walls, creating the seal.


    As for cleaning those pistons, the build up was so thick and hardened on that I had to use a bench grinder with a wire brush attachment to get it off with a final clean in a parts cleaning solvent to get them back to their original colour.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I love these threads and I don't even drive! I think I just like seeing things being taken apart and reassembled. I do it with electronics but not cars. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    .......Part 2,



    A final pic of the cylinder head with all valves cleaned,lapped and back in place:

    DSCF4064.jpg

    Next step is prepping the block/cylinders with a hone. Honing firstly breaks any glaze that may have built up on the cylinder walls which can lead to the rings not sealing perfectly, secondly it adds cross hatching to the bore which is essentially sanding the cylinder walls(DON'T try it with sand paper though:eek:) which gives the rings a fresh surface to seal against. The hatchings are visible but are so fine that you can't actually feel them, the bore still feels smooth to the touch.

    For this a specific cylinder honing tool is required along with a honing oil to lubricate the tool(paraffin does the same job) :

    DSCF4066.jpg

    And all 4 done, after honing the block needs a good wash:

    DSCF4067.jpg

    Next, the new rings need to be correctly gapped, this is done by fitting the rings into the cylinders and measuring the gap in the ring.

    Fit the rings in and use the top of the piston to push the ring evenly into the cylinder:

    DSCF4069.jpg

    Measuring the gap, you may think that having a gap in the rings is bad for sealing, but the rings expand when they get hot so need a specified gap to allow for this. Too small a gap and the rings can distort or even break and too large and you will loose compression. In the absence of a bore gauge, you can also use this method to check for any ovality or distortion in the cylinder by measuring the ring gap at different depths in the cylinder:

    DSCF4075.jpg

    With this done for each ring on each piston, the rings can then be fitted to the pistons:

    DSCF4071.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Next the pistons are fitted back onto the block, to do this properly with risking any damage you need a piston ring compressor, this holds the rings tight into the pistons so they can be lowered into the cylinders:

    DSCF4072.jpg

    A gentle tap with a rubber mallet or similar to get the pistons in:

    DSCF4073.jpg

    As a final check after fitting, check that the piston to cylinder gap is all within spec:

    DSCF4076.jpg

    And all shiny pistons back in and a new head gasket on:

    DSCF4079.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Back on with the cylinder head, torqued/angled to spec:

    DSCF4082.jpg

    At this stage, on this engine, specific locking tools are fitted to keep the cams and crank locked in position before refitting the chain.

    Cam locking plate:

    DSCF4081.jpg

    Crank locking pin, from the outside and inside:

    DSCF4080.jpg

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    A new timing chain cover gasket goes on before the chain too:

    DSCF4083.jpg

    With the chain and cover etc back on, another engine specific tool in used to position the cam sensor pick up correctly:

    DSCF4084.jpg

    Finally, new sump gasket, sump, and rocker cover go back on to close up the engine at last:

    DSCF4086.jpg

    And finally, ready to lift back to the place from whence it came:)

    DSCF4088.jpg


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,884 ✭✭✭101sean


    Nice thread, not something you see so often these days on modern engines.

    Did my first engine rebuild last year, 3.5 Rover V8 in my 101, sooooo satisfying when it started first turn of the key and the oil light went out immediately :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    101sean wrote: »
    Nice thread, not something you see so often these days on modern engines.

    Did my first engine rebuild last year, 3.5 Rover V8 in my 101, sooooo satisfying when it started first turn of the key and the oil light went out immediately :D

    Its very therapeutic work IMO, I have dozens of folders full of pics of various engine rebuilds over the last few years, mostly non standard performance Japanese stuff though.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,843 ✭✭✭Jimdagym


    Its very therapeutic work IMO, I have dozens of folders full of pics of various engine rebuilds over the last few years, mostly non standard performance Japanese stuff though.

    Is most of your work services and the likes so when the interesting stuff like this comes in you jump on it doc?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Jimdagym wrote: »
    Is most of your work services and the likes so when the interesting stuff like this comes in you jump on it doc?

    Well I'd be the one who would do this stuff in my garage anyway but its definitely nice when this type of stuff comes in as the basic servicing etc can get a bit mundane sometimes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 90 ✭✭johnner09


    i just love these posts you put up Doc, well explained with good clear pics.... well done! ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭Tea drinker


    Nic one with the thread ND. I have a friend who has a similar car, similarly abused or worse abused as it actually seized.... got a replacement engine fitted in past few weeks.
    Surprising how many people "forget" to service or just check the oil in their cars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,142 ✭✭✭shamwari


    Great pics Doc! Just wondering if you've ever rebuilt a 2 litre diesel engine from a Mazda 5? If so, I'd be very keen to learn what you discovered !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,102 ✭✭✭✭Drummerboy08


    Was the chain replaced while ye were at it, or did the old chain go back on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Nic one with the thread ND. I have a friend who has a similar car, similarly abused or worse abused as it actually seized.... got a replacement engine fitted in past few weeks.
    Surprising how many people "forget" to service or just check the oil in their cars.

    You'd be shocked how many people think that the oil light is there to tell them that they need oil so never bother to check it:rolleyes:
    shamwari wrote: »
    Great pics Doc! Just wondering if you've ever rebuilt a 2 litre diesel engine from a Mazda 5? If so, I'd be very keen to learn what you discovered !

    The last two Mazda 2.0 Diesels I stripped turned out to be beyond economical repair. The common problem, by far, on those is the oil pick up getting blocked and its usually the big ends that go first on them. If caught very early the crank could be ground and new suitably sized bearings fitted but on the last two the number 2(coincidence that they were both the same?)big end bearing was actually gone completely and the crank journal was destroyed as was the con rod and cap. A new crank alone from Mazda is around 2k from memory:eek:
    On one of the engines, 2 of the rocker arms were also seized to the rocker shaft.
    Was the chain replaced while ye were at it, or did the old chain go back on?

    The chain and tensioner were the originals refitted, the chain was checked for any distortion and its length was still well within spec, the tensioner was stripped and cleaned and the spring was also measured and found to be all good too.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,662 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    ND, do you reckon its worth while doing this job (pretty much a full strip down) on a perfectly functioning engine?

    I always wondered if it would be worth while stripping my I6 down (12 years old with 101k miles), with new piston rings, freshly cross-hatched cylinders, machine scrubbed pistons, valves etc, along with new head gasket, valve cover gasket, oil seperator valve etc.

    Would you see a noticeable improvement in refinement to justify the effort involved? (obviously on my own time)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    So doing the refurb is more economical than just replacing the engine is it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    ND, do you reckon its worth while doing this job (pretty much a full strip down) on a perfectly functioning engine?

    I always wondered if it would be worth while stripping my I6 down (12 years old with 101k miles), with new piston rings, freshly cross-hatched cylinders, machine scrubbed pistons, valves etc, along with new head gasket, valve cover gasket, oil seperator valve etc.

    Would you see a noticeable improvement in refinement to justify the effort involved? (obviously on my own time)

    A leakdown test will give you a pretty instant answer as to there being any benefit to a recon. The fact that a car has x amount of miles doesn't always mean that it would benefit from it, a really well maintained and well driven engine can often be at its peak after a good few miles.
    So doing the refurb is more economical than just replacing the engine is it?

    In the case of the engine in this Opel, you could certainly have got a second hand engine for less then these repairs, but it would be just that, second hand engine, with likely no proof of mileage or service history.

    The price of the rebuild is less then a brand new engine, which is much closer to what you get when properly rebuilt.


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,840 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    However, it turned out, after an admission by the owner, the car had only been serviced properly twice in its 4 year and 115,000km life and had been let run low on oil numerous times...
    unbelievable!


  • Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Jane98


    Its very therapeutic work IMO, I have dozens of folders full of pics of various engine rebuilds over the last few years, mostly non standard performance Japanese stuff though.

    Hey Nissan doctor,

    Any experience rebuilding a Hyundai Sante Fe (current model) 2.2 litre diesel engine or any thought on what it might involve and cost?

    Husband's car died 2 weeks ago. It had 110 k miles on it so not huge mileage by any standard. He was told by a Hyundai dealer that the damage was due to low oil, despite the fact no oil light came on. He is now faced with a bill in excess of €3500 to fix it. The turbo has to be replaced, along with the engine being bored and oversized pistons put into the engine in place of the originals.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    unbelievable!

    Sure it gets worse, she collected the car yesterday morning, I started by advising here to keep the engine below approx 3000-3500rpm for the first 1000kms or so and come back in about 2k for an oil change.

    Her: What are rpm's?
    Me: huh?, revs, on your rev gauge, its there with your speedometer
    Her: sure I wouldn't know what they are, what speed is 3000rpm's?

    :rolleyes:
    Jane98 wrote: »
    Hey Nissan doctor,

    Any experience rebuilding a Hyundai Sante Fe (current model) 2.2 litre diesel engine or any thought on what it might involve and cost?

    Husband's car died 2 weeks ago. It had 110 k miles on it so not huge mileage by any standard. He was told by a Hyundai dealer that the damage was due to low oil, despite the fact no oil light came on. He is now faced with a bill in excess of €3500 to fix it. The turbo has to be replaced, along with the engine being bored and oversized pistons put into the engine in place of the originals.

    Tbh that price doesn't sound too bad if it does need new pistons and turbo etc

    You could give IVI engines a call, the sell reconditioned engines and it may be a cheaper option for you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 416 ✭✭trixyben


    In most cases then Doc where oil is having to be topped up constantly, no leaks anywhere, coolant fine, is it more than likely to be getting through these piston rings and being burnt in the chamber?

    A couple cars ive had in the past punto 1.1 sx, megane 1.4 rt, golf 1.4 all where oil guzzlers, none leaked oil at all and i couldnt figure out where the oil was going, until now!!!

    Another one for ya Doc, nearly due an oil change on me mk1 focus tddi, and im thinking maybe this time taking off the sump cover and try giving there a good clean with compressed air if that is worthwhile doing?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    trixyben wrote: »
    In most cases then Doc where oil is having to be topped up constantly, no leaks anywhere, coolant fine, is it more than likely to be getting through these piston rings and being burnt in the chamber?

    A couple cars ive had in the past punto 1.1 sx, megane 1.4 rt, golf 1.4 all where oil guzzlers, none leaked oil at all and i couldnt figure out where the oil was going, until now!!!

    Another one for ya Doc, nearly due an oil change on me mk1 focus tddi, and im thinking maybe this time taking off the sump cover and try giving there a good clean with compressed air if that is worthwhile doing?


    If there is no external leak, and the car has no Turbo, then the only two places that the oil can leak internally is past the rings or past the valve stem seals. A leak down test tells which as the stem seals don't effect cylinder pressure.

    As for the Focus, it would be overkill in most cases to strip off the sump and clean inside unless you are having an oil pressure issue, think the car was never serviced properly previously or its an engine prone to sludge build up(which the focus isn't) but at the same time I couldn't do any harm. I wouldn't compressed air though, you'd wan't to use some kind of parts cleaning fluid. Brake cleaner is also good at removing oil/build up too.


  • Registered Users Posts: 566 ✭✭✭Greyfoot


    Excellent write-up, you certainly know your stuff. I always listened to your advice for others before but after this I`d be more willing to accept what you about to say without questioning your knowledge at the slightest! Not many mechanics willing and able to do this kind of work in Ireland!
    Its very therapeutic work IMO, I have dozens of folders full of pics of various engine rebuilds over the last few years, mostly non standard performance Japanese stuff though.

    Now only if you`d had a folder labelled Mitsubishi Lancer 1.8 GSR... :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,223 ✭✭✭Nissan doctor


    Greyfoot wrote: »
    Excellent write-up, you certainly know your stuff. I always listened to your advice for others before but after this I`d be more willing to accept what you about to say without questioning your knowledge at the slightest! Not many mechanics willing and able to do this kind of work in Ireland!



    Now only if you`d had a folder labelled Mitsubishi Lancer 1.8 GSR... :D


    I do....;)


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