CAPTAINspeed thank you so much for all the advise
i will forget about the rav so!
i am from cork and living in dublin, i dont ever really drive in city centre, we live just off the m50 and only drive 10mins on the m50 for work, i usually go home about once every 2-4 weeks and i know it sounds morbid but i want a car that will fare well in a crash
i just rang about that avensis that was linked above
the dealer said give him a ring tomorrow as its going through the nct at the moment and he will tell me what kind of a price he will give me. he said the same as yourself that an avensis is much better than a corolla