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25-04-2012, 15:47   #16
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CAPTAINspeed thank you so much for all the advise

i will forget about the rav so!

i am from cork and living in dublin, i dont ever really drive in city centre, we live just off the m50 and only drive 10mins on the m50 for work, i usually go home about once every 2-4 weeks and i know it sounds morbid but i want a car that will fare well in a crash

i just rang about that avensis that was linked above

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Toyota/...t?channel=CARS

the dealer said give him a ring tomorrow as its going through the nct at the moment and he will tell me what kind of a price he will give me. he said the same as yourself that an avensis is much better than a corolla
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25-04-2012, 15:48   #17
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OP, have a look at the Kia Ceed or Hyundai i30. Both are the same car underneath, they are as reliable if not more reliable as the Corolla but are better equipped and have longer warranties:

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index...13345747536230

http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index...01216207798890
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25-04-2012, 15:55   #18
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bazz thank you to be honest ive never even heard of the, i need a saloon, ill have a quick search now thank you
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Opel astra saloon might be an option too.
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Your kind of driving is ideal for a diesel so - you won't have any problems with them as long as you keep doing that kind of driving. They do give a lot of problems when driven around town a lot, but you don't need to worry! Hatchbacks are much more versatile than saloons, especially if you need something practical.

That said, something like an Avensis, or much better, a Mondeo or Honda Accord, will be more comfortable on a spin to Cork than something like an i30 or a Ceed. Larger cars usually are quieter and just more comfortable in general. But something like an i30 or Cee'd will be well able for the job as well. The Cee'd in particular is well worth a look as it has a 7 year/150,000 km warranty as long as it's serviced on time. It also has a more powerful engine than the Hyundai, so it will be quieter and possibly more economical at speed.
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25-04-2012, 16:03   #21
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I agree with the salesman, i have owned 3 avensis diesels before.. none of which ever gave me a moments bother..they were all sold on, only due to yearly upgrading.. They are affordable, reliable, economical, practical, 2 litre diesel engines have decent power. and if you get a high spec t spirit or luna model, it will be all the car you ever need!
ive never seen that car i recommended to you before but it looks like one i would persue if i had that money to spend..
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The Ford Focus saloon is worth a look at so:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index...13273129620840

Or a VW Jetta:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index...13261898405330

Or a Citroen C5:
http://www.driving.ie/usedcars/index...13330136506110
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I agree with the salesman, i have owned 3 avensis diesels before.. none of which ever gave me a moments bother..they were all sold on, only due to yearly upgrading.. They are affordable, reliable, economical, practical, 2 litre diesel engines have decent power. and if you get a high spec t spirit or luna model, it will be all the car you ever need!
ive never seen that car i recommended to you before but it looks like one i would persue if i had that money to spend..
Too be fair though, if you upgrade every year then an opinion on how reliable they are is pretty moot.
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An Avensis is a massively better car, and I think that despite the fact the Corolla is slightly smaller, it actually weighs more, so it will be much slower and will probably be heavier on juice than an Avensis in the real world.

The Corolla from that era only had a five speed gearbox so it will be less economical than say an Avensis from that era, because an Avensis has a six speed box, plus it has a lot more power, so it will be more frugal on longer runs.

Also, you say that a 406 is a miser on juice. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that because a Corolla is a 1.4 that it will be even moreso - smaller engines are only more efficient are lower speeds, and diesels aren't really suited to lower speed driving. Anyway all cars after 2008 aren't taxed on engine size, but on emissions, so the lower the tax on a car, in general the more efficient it will be (although as the above shows, it's only a general thing, it's not always true).
So much of that statement is just plain wrong.

A standard 5 door Corolla 1.4 D4D weighs 1200Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2002/28403/

O2 emissions are 128g, it will have 58 mpg.

A standard Avensis 2.0 D4D weights 1440Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2003/34722/

O2 emissions are 157g, it will have 51 mpg.

Honestjohn says the real world MPG for the 1.4 Corolla should be 55.6 mpg with the 2.0 Avensis being 48.8 mpg - http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/RealMpg/...acturer=toyota

If you're spending 90% of your time on the motorway, then for sheer comfort, you're going to be better off with the Avensis. If you're doing a lot short runs to pick the child up, to do the shopping, etc, then the Corolla is probably a better option.
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25-04-2012, 16:25   #25
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So much of that statement is just plain wrong.

A standard 5 door Corolla 1.4 D4D weighs 1200Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2002/28403/

O2 emissions are 128g, it will have 58 mpg.

A standard Avensis 2.0 D4D weights 1440Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2003/34722/

O2 emissions are 157g, it will have 51 mpg.

Honestjohn says the real world MPG for the 1.4 Corolla should be 55.6 mpg with the 2.0 Avensis being 48.8 mpg - http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/RealMpg/...acturer=toyota

If you're spending 90% of your time on the motorway, then for sheer comfort, you're going to be better off with the Avensis. If you're doing a lot short runs to pick the child up, to do the shopping, etc, then the Corolla is probably a better option.

If your doing that, then neither is the correct option.
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So much of that statement is just plain wrong.

A standard 5 door Corolla 1.4 D4D weighs 1200Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2002/28403/

O2 emissions are 128g, it will have 58 mpg.

A standard Avensis 2.0 D4D weights 1440Kg - http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/review...ck-2003/34722/

O2 emissions are 157g, it will have 51 mpg.

Honestjohn says the real world MPG for the 1.4 Corolla should be 55.6 mpg with the 2.0 Avensis being 48.8 mpg - http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/RealMpg/...acturer=toyota

If you're spending 90% of your time on the motorway, then for sheer comfort, you're going to be better off with the Avensis. If you're doing a lot short runs to pick the child up, to do the shopping, etc, then the Corolla is probably a better option.
The Corolla diesel in fact weighs 1315 kg, the OP was looking at a 2008 model, you're qouting a model that hasn't been sold since the end of 2006! So the 'real world' mpg for the 'rolla will be lower because it weighs over 100 kg more.

Anyway, the OP said it will mostly be used for long runs, so the extra comfort is important. The Avensis is a far superior car in every conceivable measure as well, the current model 'rolla is one of the worst efforts at a 'car' Toyota has made in a very long time, the only thing worse than it has got to be the Auris. You know things are bad when even the Irish motoring press say it's not good!
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OP - you linked to a car for sale in Harold's Cross. I reckon that if you're going to buy from a secondhand car dealer who's not in the SIMI then you'd be probably be better off buying privately. While the SIMI are by no means the consumers best friend, they do offer some means of comeback in the event of a dispute with a dealer. I'm not convinced that your dealer's membership of the IMIA offers any reassurance.

Several Toyota dealers in Dublin have similar cars with less mileage, come with a full year's warranty and could probably be bought for not much more than the car you linked to if you were willing to haggle and ready to buy.
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The SIMI thing is a mute point imo when buying a car from a garage. There are as many chancers with SIMI membership signs on their front door as there as those who don't.
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26-04-2012, 09:31   #29
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245 & all thanks so much for all the advise

I sat down last night and did my sums and tbh we really can't afford 10k on a car. I loved my 2002 Peugeot 406 it was very reliable and was very economical even though it was a 1.8 petrol

I have decided (as corkie suggested) to buy another 406.

I have found this one for sale from a main Peugeot dealer in cork. I would really appreciate yer feedback. I am going to ask him to put it through the nct for me and he said he will put 4 new tyres on it as the ones on it are very worn. It was owned by an elderly couple who have bought a brand new peogout,

I was hoping to get it for 3.5k (what do ye think)

I wondered are the 406 2ltr diesels as good as the 1.8 petrol I used to drive?

Thanks a million

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Sorry here is link

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