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24-03-2013, 18:40   #6691
 
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Tom Dempsey said that Clare were the form team from Munster (suggesting that their was a team not from Munster that are the form team at the moment, which is not true).
I heard that aswell I remember thinking wat do we have to do to get some credit like... look at the league table. every other county has had an off day I think we have played consistently well even when beaten. I wouldnt be too worried about Tom Dempsey and the likes though Im quietly happy about being constantly written off that suits us traditionally.
I think the likes of Dempsey dosent appreciate that we have some seriously talented hurlers coming through. Just because we havent been winning all around at underage level dosent mean that we have some smashing lads there. Basically he dosent know his stuff.

As you said it was important to get a win over Tipp aswell weve a bad record against them in the last few years. I definetly think we'd have a lot less fear of them in a championship game now having won this game in this fashion.

Wasn't at the game just wondering what peoples views on the goalkeeping situation is after today?
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24-03-2013, 18:46   #6692
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Its still the least likely eventuality for us though as one of the other games must finish in a draw for it to happen. It would be desperately unfortunate for us to end up with 5 points and to still be in a relegation play off

Paddy Power make us 10/1 to be relgated, only Kilkenny at 12/1 have longer odds.

To be honest the team have done enough so far this season to deserve more confidence from us. Galway really havent impressed too much and seem to have gone back to fully relying on Joe Canning, if we can minimise his scoring next week then we've every reason to hope to be in a league semi final
Well from what i heard, if we did it to Lar, we can do it to the Joe show
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Wasn't at the game just wondering what peoples views on the goalkeeping situation is after today?
Iggy wasnt really tested save wise, Tipp just didnt get into any goal scoring chances, which is a great credit to the work of the backs. He was steady under a couple of high balls mind. His puck outs were okay, not outstanding though, put 2 of them straight out for line balls in the first half. Not a short puck out in sight today
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24-03-2013, 18:58   #6694
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9/1 to win the league lads. Surely that is a savage price.
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Well from what i heard, if we did it to Lar, we can do it to the Joe show
not taking credit away from our backs performance but lar isnt near the same player he was 2/3 years ago. Joe is at a different level and a much different type of threat. Hes guaranteed 9/10 points a game at least and stopping him from scoring goals might be go a long way towards beating Galway
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24-03-2013, 19:23   #6696
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9/1 to win the league lads. Surely that is a savage price.
I actually think its a fair enough price, to ensure qualification we have to first draw or beat Galway, then win a semi final and a final.
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24-03-2013, 19:24   #6697
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Looking ahead to next week, the table is...

Waterford 5pts (-3 scoring diff)
Clare 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
Cork 4pts (+6 scoring diff)
KK 4pts (+2 scoring diff)
Tipp 4pts (-1 scoring diff)
Galway 3pts (-10 scoring diff)

The final round of games is
Waterford v Galway
KK v Cork
Tipp v Clare

So assuming that points difference settles any ties between teams, I'm not sure if this is the case and cant seem to find anything definite online but for the purpose of this post I'll assume it is

We qualify for the semi final if
- We beat Galway
- We draw with Galway
- *We lose to Galway by 3 points or less and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

We will finish 4th if
- We lose to Galway by more than 3 points and none of the other 2 games ends in a draw

We end up in a relegation play off if
- **We lose to Galway and any of the other games finishes in a draw


Think thats it, clear as mud really
* If that happens, Waterford will end up in fourth as Galway would qualify by virtue of head to head.

**That's the only possible way that Waterford will be in a relegation decider.

If the three games end in wins for any team, then no matter what, Waterford are safe.

And if something amazing happens and Waterford and Clare manage to win, then either Tipp or Galway will be relegated.
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* If that happens, Waterford will end up in fourth as Galway would qualify by virtue of head to head.

**That's the only possible way that Waterford will be in a relegation decider.

If the three games end in wins for any team, then no matter what, Waterford are safe.

And if something amazing happens and Waterford and Clare manage to win, then either Tipp or Galway will be relegated.
As I said I wasnt sure if points difference or head to head applied. So if H2H does apply then a loss to Galway would mean no semi final for us alright

As for hypotheticals, how about this...Waterford Clare and Cork win. The relegation playoff would be a repeat of last years All Ireland Final between Galway and Kilkenny
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I actually started laughing when I heard Dempsey say on the radio that he fancied Waterford for relegation despite us being top of the league. No doubt that he also fancied Clare, Cork and Tipperary to beat Waterford (just like every other "expert"). Incidentally, I think that this is the fourth year in a row that Waterford were pre league favourites to be relegated, and here we are sitting on the top of the table and we are still expected to be relegated lol

I thought that Brick was immense today. If he only learned how to hit a ball with his hurley he would be one of the greats. Dillon, O'Halloran and Barron all impressed. Prender worked hard but looked tired towards the end. Sully had a great game also. I still have a worry about how hard we have to work to get scores from play. I hope this improves before the summer.
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24-03-2013, 19:48   #6700
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How did maurice shanahan and martin o neill play? Would love to know where they are going to find a place for noel connors in the backline, they've been absolutely brilliant so far
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Yeah full back line was excellent today to be fair to them. Maurice was average enough to be honest. I'm not his biggest fan though so probably judge him more harshly than other players. He did well when he got the ball in his hand and won a couple of frees too. The problem is getting the ball into his hand. He is crap at winning high ball considering his height and he doesn't exactly bust his gut to get to breaking ball either. Martin O'Neill worked hard throughout and took his frees well. He didn't do anything special though. The other four forwards were the impressive ones.
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How did maurice shanahan and martin o neill play? Would love to know where they are going to find a place for noel connors in the backline, they've been absolutely brilliant so far
Neither particularly impressive really to be honest. O Neill put over 4 frees which is a plus, they were relatively straightfoward but still have to be put over. He was taken off midway through the second half. Maurice didnt do a whole lot, from memory, a good pass to Barron for the goal and he won one free. Just back from injury though, so hopefully can improve
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As for hypotheticals, how about this...Waterford Clare and Cork win. The relegation playoff would be a repeat of last years All Ireland Final between Galway and Kilkenny
And another..

If Galway win and the other 2 games finish in a draw, then all six teams would finish on 5 points. Unlikely to be fair, but would be pretty mental if it happened
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24-03-2013, 19:58   #6704
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How did maurice shanahan and martin o neill play? Would love to know where they are going to find a place for noel connors in the backline, they've been absolutely brilliant so far
well , rather than a starting 15 a starting 20 should be normal nowadays , remember how important it was against cork in 2010 and we fielded 23 player to win the munster title .

In otherwords,tis no harm in having a few reserves we'll need them come championshiop
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24-03-2013, 20:59   #6705
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Why are people so worried about how other people rate us?? Were better off with the tag as under dogs!
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