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22-06-2011, 00:11   #1
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galway hurling decline - why?

any ideas on why galway hurlers fail so often
do we need an 80's type team again - i.e muck rakers, farmers, and road diggers togging out in maroon - hard majors smoking men like lynskey and sylvie linnane. today's team are too soft - too many teachers and professionals
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22-06-2011, 01:17   #2
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Decline from what, Galway were never exactly a super-power of Hurling, yes they had a very successfull team in the mid to late eighties, but that was the exception not the norm, as for Lynskey and Linnane they wouldnt last 2 minutes on a field today, theres lads in jail for less than what those two did on the field.

Occupations are completely irrelevant with the amount of physical training and conditioning sone now and infact a non manual occupation would be a considerable advantage to a top intercounty player.
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Occupations are completely irrelevant with the amount of physical training and conditioning sone now and infact a non manual occupation would be a considerable advantage to a top intercounty player.
I would agree with Premierstone, occupations has nothing to do with them playing bad or being 'soft'. Like what a lot of people are saying, its hard to put your finger on the exact problem. That performance against Dublin the last day was way off their performance against Tipp last year. Nowhere near as sharp looking. Maybe the training isn't what it used to be, who knows. I'm sure we'll see a changed attitude from the Galway team when they take on Clare on the 2nd of July.
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Decline from what, Galway were never exactly a super-power of Hurling, yes they had a very successfull team in the mid to late eighties, but that was the exception not the norm, as for Lynskey and Linnane they wouldnt last 2 minutes on a field today, theres lads in jail for less than what those two did on the field.

Occupations are completely irrelevant with the amount of physical training and conditioning sone now and infact a non manual occupation would be a considerable advantage to a top intercounty player.
in all fairness Tipp weren't exactly a group of alter boys back then either
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Galway Training
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i attended the training tonight (tuesday) in kenny park which had high hopes of seein some promise and some good ball drills an tactical awareness from the team and coaching staff for the next 2 hours i was shocked to see wat went on(yes the training session lasted 2 hrs).here is the time frame on how training went:

7.30 lads out on pitch pucking ball back an over

7.35 trainer blows the whistle an the players jog in (im nearly sure it wasnt john d kearney training them)

7.40 lads go into a triangle ball drill hittin the ball back an over in 3s to each other

7.45 2 players jog out of dressing room 15minutes late

7.50 yet another player jogs out of dressing room 20 minutes late (now turning into a farce issues wit discipline an time keeping)

7.55 players break off an big a slight warm up for 5 mins with some players miles behind others during the warm up

8.05 mcintyre calls players into a huddle an starts to f an blind them out of it for at least 10 minutes going thru each an every player during this u cud see him put his hand in the air an try and tell them how to catch a ball (schoolboy stuff)

8.15 match starts(yes a match)and a 13 a side match at that with only a two man forward line on each side,wat happens after this is just farcical

8.30 with mc intyre reffing the match an not blowing for one foul except for ffing an blindin callinan out of it for not puttin 2 hands on the hurl picking up the ball he calls them in again where he starts to roar an shout abuse for 5 minutes at the players.

8.45calls them in again an starts roarin more abuse this time being heard alll over the town he was so loud.

8.50 match starts again with players tryin to walk the ball into the goals with onal barry layin midfield he walks straight thru the defence an scores 2 goals jc tapping over a few unmarked easy chances and hayes looking very off the boil with a bit unwanted weight an afraid to take on his marker.

9.00 another rollicking off mcintyre for another 5 minutes and break out again for last quarter of the match,

9.10 players come in where john mc calls them into a tight huddle no shoutin this time (suprised) they then break off for running an a light warm down (very little stretching)

The session finished at half 9 2 hours after the start with players when the whistle was blown walking into the huddle not even jogging(not all players but some)where the trainer started shoutin hurry up i haven all nite..This followed by countless bollicking off mc intyre for who for some reason was reffing a match that he should been looking on at to see who was playing well.For a county team to play a 13 a side match after playin a championship match on saturday is disgracefull,there was no tempo no blowing for frees acres of space players tryin to walk the ball into the net and only about 10 points scored and about 5 goals when there was so much space,some of the players looked disillusioned wit the set up as there was no stability an f all discipline,dunno wat selectors do there cause all they did the whole nite was stood up with hands on hips and wit the occasional roar from connolly about PRIDE in the jersey.

The way mcintyre was tryin to teach them how to catch a high ball was roaring at callinan telling him to lump the high ball down on top of the half forwards throughout the whole match there was one high ball caught in about 60 minutes of hurling,with training going on for 2 hours.After seeing this it leads me to believe that the current management has not a clue wat they are at and the lad training galway shud be training under 12s not the galway senior hurling team.Farcical stuff i do hope we will beat clare but judging on tonights training theres not a lot of hope if we do beat them i believe it will be the players ability an belief an not the managements training that will get us thru it......

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any ideas on why galway hurlers fail so often
do we need an 80's type team again - i.e muck rakers, farmers, and road diggers togging out in maroon - hard majors smoking men like lynskey and sylvie linnane. today's team are too soft - too many teachers and professionals

No!

But we need the equivalent of the player in today's standards.

In my opinion the tactics are poor, no bite in attack, expecting too much of Canning.

Could raise their game against Clare and that would be in keeping with past years i.e. to have one 'big game' and then fade away.
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in all fairness Tipp weren't exactly a group of alter boys back then either
Nor did I claim otherwise badger, this thread is specifically about Galway, what that has to do with former Tipp players is beyond me, the OP mentioned those two players in particular and I gave my opinion on why that was not a road to go down again as the game has changed alot since then.
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Galway Training
« Thread Started Today at 1:16am »
i attended the training tonight (tuesday) in kenny park which had high hopes of seein some promise and some good ball drills an tactical awareness from the team and coaching staff for the next 2 hours i was shocked to see wat went on(yes the training session lasted 2 hrs).here is the time frame on how training went:

7.30 lads out on pitch pucking ball back an over

7.35 trainer blows the whistle an the players jog in (im nearly sure it wasnt john d kearney training them)

7.40 lads go into a triangle ball drill hittin the ball back an over in 3s to each other

7.45 2 players jog out of dressing room 15minutes late

7.50 yet another player jogs out of dressing room 20 minutes late (now turning into a farce issues wit discipline an time keeping)

7.55 players break off an big a slight warm up for 5 mins with some players miles behind others during the warm up

8.05 mcintyre calls players into a huddle an starts to f an blind them out of it for at least 10 minutes going thru each an every player during this u cud see him put his hand in the air an try and tell them how to catch a ball (schoolboy stuff)

8.15 match starts(yes a match)and a 13 a side match at that with only a two man forward line on each side,wat happens after this is just farcical

8.30 with mc intyre reffing the match an not blowing for one foul except for ffing an blindin callinan out of it for not puttin 2 hands on the hurl picking up the ball he calls them in again where he starts to roar an shout abuse for 5 minutes at the players.

8.45calls them in again an starts roarin more abuse this time being heard alll over the town he was so loud.

8.50 match starts again with players tryin to walk the ball into the goals with onal barry layin midfield he walks straight thru the defence an scores 2 goals jc tapping over a few unmarked easy chances and hayes looking very off the boil with a bit unwanted weight an afraid to take on his marker.

9.00 another rollicking off mcintyre for another 5 minutes and break out again for last quarter of the match,

9.10 players come in where john mc calls them into a tight huddle no shoutin this time (suprised) they then break off for running an a light warm down (very little stretching)

The session finished at half 9 2 hours after the start with players when the whistle was blown walking into the huddle not even jogging(not all players but some)where the trainer started shoutin hurry up i haven all nite..This followed by countless bollicking off mc intyre for who for some reason was reffing a match that he should been looking on at to see who was playing well.For a county team to play a 13 a side match after playin a championship match on saturday is disgracefull,there was no tempo no blowing for frees acres of space players tryin to walk the ball into the net and only about 10 points scored and about 5 goals when there was so much space,some of the players looked disillusioned wit the set up as there was no stability an f all discipline,dunno wat selectors do there cause all they did the whole nite was stood up with hands on hips and wit the occasional roar from connolly about PRIDE in the jersey.

The way mcintyre was tryin to teach them how to catch a high ball was roaring at callinan telling him to lump the high ball down on top of the half forwards throughout the whole match there was one high ball caught in about 60 minutes of hurling,with training going on for 2 hours.After seeing this it leads me to believe that the current management has not a clue wat they are at and the lad training galway shud be training under 12s not the galway senior hurling team.Farcical stuff i do hope we will beat clare but judging on tonights training theres not a lot of hope if we do beat them i believe it will be the players ability an belief an not the managements training that will get us thru it......

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All the real physical and hard training is done at this stage, I wouldnt proclaim to be a huge fan of McIntyre but what you have described sounds pretty much exactly what I witnessed in Nowlan Park last year when I went to see KK training.

How many managers have been to blame for Galways lack of success at senior level?? McIntyre, Loughnane, Hayes, Lane, Murphy, Farrell and Cloonan all failures, or would it be more realistic to look at the players??
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There is no passion to win. Years of losing seems to have numbed us to defeat and especially under McIntyre. I don't know if the players want to play under him anymore or if they have really gone from a top 5 side to a team that just about beats Westmeath. And that's in less than a year.

I'm not a fan of McIntyre TBH. We lack players who can catch a ball clean in the air and we just seemed to get manhandled in every match.
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Galway are in a funny place right now. Every year at the start of the championship they are higher up on the favourites list but, in the years since winning the 2 All Irelands, they have regularly come up short in the championship and in the qualifiers, often losing by narrow margins. Various managers since have tried to rectify this, but with no luck. Despite plenty of underage and club success, it can’t seem to translate onto the Senior team. A lack of big men in midfield and the half-forward line who can catch ball has been identified as one problem, too many senior clubs with a poor quality domestic championship as a result is another, while others have suggested that the Board itself is at fault. Are the structures and coaching at underage adequate? Is success going to players’ heads at an early age? Are team tactics on the day correct? Are they playing to the strengths of their best players? The next match against our near neighbours may give the team a chance to address these issues.



Strangely enough though, nobody has yet questioned the footballers bottle or implied that thery are ‘cowards’. Go figure.
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maybe it goes back to the club scene, i mean portumna have dominated there for the last number of years, maybe the overall standard of the other teams in galway aren't at the level they need them to be in order to have a good selection of players to choose from?
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Galway are in a funny place right now. Every year at the start of the championship they are higher up on the favourites list but, in the years since winning the 2 All Irelands, they have regularly come up short in the championship and in the qualifiers, often losing by narrow margins. Various managers since have tried to rectify this, but with no luck. Despite plenty of underage and club success, it can’t seem to translate onto the Senior team. A lack of big men in midfield and the half-forward line who can catch ball has been identified as one problem, too many senior clubs with a poor quality domestic championship as a result is another, while others have suggested that the Board itself is at fault. Are the structures and coaching at underage adequate? Is success going to players’ heads at an early age? Are team tactics on the day correct? Are they playing to the strengths of their best players? The next match against our near neighbours may give the team a chance to address these issues.



Strangely enough though, nobody has yet questioned the footballers bottle or implied that thery are ‘cowards’. Go figure.
Well they keep doing well at underage so that surely isn't the problem.

There's not half as much expected of the footballers.
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maybe it goes back to the club scene, i mean portumna have dominated there for the last number of years, maybe the overall standard of the other teams in galway aren't at the level they need them to be in order to have a good selection of players to choose from?
Who won the club AI this year?, and just look at Tipps terrible terrible record at Club level, that arguement doesnt stand up for me.
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Martin Breheny wrote an article about the hurlers today, I found this part interesting, especially when everyone talks about the endless stream of underage talent in the county

Now here's the thing: Galway went into last Saturday's game with four of the six defenders -- Damien Joyce, Tony Óg Regan, Shane Kavanagh and David Collins -- who played in the '05 All-Ireland final (it would have been five if Ollie Canning hadn't retired). How is it that six years later -- without reaching even one All-Ireland semi-final in the interim -- so many of them are still first-choice?
And when repairs were necessary in attack last Saturday, they went back to 34-year-old Alan Kerins, almost two years after he last played for Galway
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galway not good enough to live up to the expectation and perception in the media that they are constantly challengers for Liam
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