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04-01-2011, 20:03   #1
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HDD/DVD Recorder with Saorview STB?

I've had an LG RH7500 HDD/DVD since 2007 and I'm considering getting the Saorview Walker STB. Before I drop money on this, would I be able to record at all off the STB? I don't need to be able to watch another channel while it records.
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I've had an LG RH7500 HDD/DVD since 2007 and I'm considering getting the Saorview Walker STB. Before I drop money on this, would I be able to record at all off the STB? I don't need to be able to watch another channel while it records.
I would imagine if you link the two via scart, set the appropriate input on the hdd and then set timers on the two to coincide, then recording should be possible.
I am buying the Metronic Zapbox Freeview HD T2, and will be linking it to my old Pioneer DVR 5100H, to do the same thing for Saorview. Essentially the same as you are looking to do.
I used this method with my FTA satellite box and Freesat box for ages. I now have a Humax Freesat HDR for British tv.
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If you want to record get a proper PVR. External DVD recorders are poor qualitity in comparison and can't do HD.
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While the Walkers have USB they dont seem to record to usb ootb. So pretty useless for the price. As excolier said you can record pretty much anything via scart so long as it hasnt copy protection/macrovision. Dont know if that is going to be commonplace on DTT.

Proper PVRs are fine (and expensive) in principle but a pain when you want to archive, edit or transfer recordings. You are generally left with the time laborious task of copying to external pvr again.

Exernal usb recording is handy for this purpose, you can easily transfer to pc from usb/sd card. I find fast 16Gb SD cards effective.

The only major issue might be the file format. GOM player handles many of the formats that VLC wont play.

Re external PVRs
TBH there is a little too much emphasis on TV picture quality and less on content, whereas for the youtube/mp3 generation neither is really an issue (quite ironic really)
For a lot of rubbish stuff I just want to hoard and probably never rewatch, I find an external pvr with mpeg recording handy for its simplicity, ease and speed of editing, relative compactness. If this was possible cheaply and easily with mpeg4, I'd probably go down that route, but it's much more of a gamble with audio sync-ing and multiple format variations.
For quallity, I find mpeg2 editing is still easier to play with.
I am sure as time goes on this will improve.

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I expect HDD PVRs with BD writers will become more common. You can't sensibly use a DVD for MPEG4 or HDTV. Panasonic do one for "Freesat HD" or "Freeview HD", I forget which.
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They could transcode down in quality.
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Only with a dedicated DSP chip and I for one am totally un-interested in crappy transcoded MPEG. S-VHS looks better.

The biggest value of Analogue to Digital switch-over is finally to have Irish TV recordings at live quality, as we have had for UK TV for years.

As it is, only good MPEG SD broadcast of 16:9 only just matches quality of good Analogue with good 4:3 source material.

Should we have poorer picture quality in 21st Century than 20th Century on recordings? I never could watch LP VHS and went to S-VHS as soon as was economical.

I've had PC based Satellite recording since the first PCI tuner card with built-in DSP decoder and TV out was released.

The whole point of Digital PVRs is to have NO re-encoding or transcoding
. Clicking on a EPG item to automatically schedule it is a close 2nd.
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I would imagine if you link the two via scart, set the appropriate input on the hdd and then set timers on the two to coincide, then recording should be possible.
I am buying the Metronic Zapbox Freeview HD T2, and will be linking it to my old Pioneer DVR 5100H, to do the same thing for Saorview. Essentially the same as you are looking to do.
I used this method with my FTA satellite box and Freesat box for ages. I now have a Humax Freesat HDR for British tv.
Sounds good, pop back in once you have it and let us know if it worked ok.
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Thanks, all. Hoping to have the extra dosh soon.
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See this.... add hard drive another €50. This will record DTT.
http://www.homecine-compare.com/lect...-DHB-B36HR.htm
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The biggest value of Analogue to Digital switch-over is finally to have Irish TV recordings at live quality, as we have had for UK TV for years.....
Whats live quality? The res it was recorded at?

We're kinda constrained by whats broadcast. If you not watching it at its recorded resolution, its either been transcoded/compressed for broadcast, or same thing when SD is upscaled to a HD TV.

I thought I'd escape the horror of trans-coding by watching analog on my CRT. At least unlike HD became standard. But unfortunately UPC now are frequently using their transcoded/compressed digital feed for analog. They even keep the broadcast compression cliches/artifacts. Some movies have been unwatchable due to this.
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I would presume that what watty meant by live was "as broadcast" quality. Any digital-based recorder is transferring the digital stream as broadcast to hard disk or USB stick or whatever. VHS video is and was always a reduction in analogue broadcast quality.
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Any analogue input recorder reduces the quality. True digital recording simply copies the transmission. Play back is same is live signal.
  • VHS LP = awful
  • Bought VHS = poor to miserable (because has to be copied rather than pressed like CD/DVD/laser disc/LP)
  • VHS = watchable to poor depending on tape and VCR
  • S-VHS = bearable with good tape and machine. Especially B&W (colour registration and quality poorer).
  • DVD/HDD Analogue input Recorder. Only better than S-VHS at HQ setting. DVD recorder with "Firewire in" good for creating DVD from DV tape though as no analogue conversion.
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I was just making the point that sometimes useful compromises are made for convenience, or to keep something affordable. The expense and practicality of full HD for recording will rule it out for many until the price of entry falls. Maybe that will be sooner rather than later.

I agree with you that a lot of enjoyment is lost by the obsession of quantity over quality. For me even a DVD loses a lot if watched as heavy compressed MPEG.
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See this.... add hard drive another €50. This will record DTT.
http://www.homecine-compare.com/lect...-DHB-B36HR.htm
This site seems to ship to domestic customers only...all in French..
It advertises P+P gratuit (Free?)
Do you know if it would ship to IRL ?

Also I see no ref to MHEG5 (subtitle dimension) ?

A.
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