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11-09-2010, 01:14   #1
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ticket for not displaying tax

hey guys,
i got a ticket for not displaying tax on a car that's broken down. it hasn't moved in over a year now, and that was the last time the tax was paid on it.

was going to move and declare it off the road but didn't get round to it as the battery is dead. it's on a public residential road ( but has a parking permit ).

will i have to pay the full ticket (actually two tickets, ouch ) plus all the back dated tax now?

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11-09-2010, 01:18   #2
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will i have to pay the full ticket
Yeah. It's stupid though cos you were not even using the car but it was still on a public road.
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11-09-2010, 01:31   #3
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cheers yea,
what about the car tax for the last year?
would i have to pay that also dya reckon?
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cheers yea,
what about the car tax for the last year?
would i have to pay that also dya reckon?

You could chance in declaring it off the road.... but it was on a public road so don't hold your hopes up
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You will need to move the car from a public place otherwise you might get another ticket for the same offence. Suggest you park it on private property if you don't want to get another ticket, the alternative is to tax it.

Given that you have received a fine for not displaying a current valid tax disc it is likely that you may not be able to declare the car off the road to avoid paying back tax when you renew the tax. Not 100% sure on this though.
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11-09-2010, 01:48   #6
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maybe i'll just feck it in the sea, and then say to the judge: "what car?"
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Take it off the public road, because you can collect more penalties...
And yes, you have to pay the ones you already got.

But with declaring it off the road, there is one trick (or mayby loophole in the system).
On the motor tax renewal form, you are signing, that you didn't use your car on public road. As that's actually true in your case, I assume you can easily sign under it.
I know that car was on the public road, but no one is asking about it.
All you have to sign, is that you (or anyone else with your consent) didn't use it.
Obviously they can always make you to pay the tax for the last year, as your car was on public road. All they need is a proof.
But I think it's always worth chancing it, to sign a declaration that you didn't use it, and see what they'll say. They obviously won't be able to do you for giving false declaration, as whay you are actuall declaring is true.
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Go the gardai station and get them to sign to say it was off the road and you will only have to pay from the date you go into the office.

As for the fines - where exactly is the area? If it is a public road in a private estate (confusing I know) you can argue it is off the road in your place as that is your parking permitted place but if it a public road (like council etc) think the fine will have to be paid.
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11-09-2010, 02:19   #9
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will it count as "off the road" though? it's in residential area in blackrock.

it has a parking permit for the year.

also, we never saw any physiscal tickets on the vehicle.
i only found out when my dad opened his mail after coming back from a holiday.
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11-09-2010, 04:54   #10
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Go the gardai station and get them to sign to say it was off the road and you will only have to pay from the date you go into the office.
Wrong, basically. In the Garda station, the garda who signs the form is only witnessing your signature on the declaration.
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If you get an FCPS for non-display, you do NOT have to tax the car as a result. Move the car to private property and pay the 2 tickets you've gotten and that'll be the end of it.

You could also chance writing into the Super in Blackrock to try and appeal it. Explain the situation and it may end up being cancelled.
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If you get an FCPS for non-display, you do NOT have to tax the car as a result. Move the car to private property and pay the 2 tickets you've gotten and that'll be the end of it.

You could also chance writing into the Super in Blackrock to try and appeal it. Explain the situation and it may end up being cancelled.
I presume approaching the Super might help if the ticket issued by the Gardaí but what if it was issued by the Local Authority Traffic warden; it might be more difficult to talk to someone then?
or are all tickets processed through the Gardaí even those issued by a traffic warden?
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Go the gardai station and get them to sign to say it was off the road and you will only have to pay from the date you go into the office.
He has already got a fine for not having tax and non displaying of a current tax disc so I cannot see how arriving at the motor tax office claiming the car was off the road during that time will work. BTW the Gardai are only witnesses to the declaration made by the owner, they will not be ones checking up on it.

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As for the fines - where exactly is the area? If it is a public road in a private estate (confusing I know) you can argue it is off the road in your place as that is your parking permitted place but if it a public road (like council etc) think the fine will have to be paid.
Doesn't make a difference whether it is a privately or publically owned estate, once it is not parked on private property it is deemed a public place. That is why he got the fines in the first place.
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Doesn't make a difference whether it is a privately or publically owned estate, once it is not parked on private property it is deemed a public place. That is why he got the fines in the first place.
Depends on the estate as if you are in one where your parking space is allocated but actually on the road like a lot of new private estates around Dublin. You have actually got your car off the road (my sis had this).

A eager new parking warden went around ticketing the estate. I wrote a letter for her explaining her parking spot was paid for as part of her mortgage therefore her property and he had no right giving a fine to her or any of her neighbours for the cars. All the fines disputed were dropped and when she did put her car back on the road she had only to pay for the tax for the duration she intended on driving the car.

So like I said depends on where exactly the spot on the road is and the circumstances.
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11-09-2010, 15:31   #15
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the road that it's on is a public road with parking meters, but it's not a main thoroughfare or anything. we don't own the road but it's parked beside a communal park that the residence do own.

the two tickets are dated, 12/08 and 20/08 and they're 90 euro each now after the penalty period of 28 days. they're issued by the gardai, not the council.

there were no tickets on the car though.

i'm movin it to private property tomorrow ( if i can get the damn thing to start!!)

thanks for your help, i'll keep yez updated.

looks like i'm going to have to pay full whack though.
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