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15-07-2010, 12:35   #16
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Of course anyone can go. Doesn't mean they can behave in a manner that makes people feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended. Why does a naturist beach cause people to throw away basic social rules?
Its arguable that people being nude makes other people feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended, and that naturists are throwing away basic social rules.

I personally don't care either way, but it may be that some of the lurkers are trying to 'shame' you into getting dressed. (I don't really believe that, but its a possibility )
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Ridiculous that in this day and age that people have to associate all forms of nakedness with sexual desire. People should be free to be naturalists without fearing being perved on by the sexually repressed. It is not acceptable on a beach where women are walking in skimpy bikinis and guys in mini speedos, so it shouldn't be on a naturalist beach either.

Maybe there also needs to be seperate perv orgy beaches designated too
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Its arguable that people being nude makes other people feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended, and that naturists are throwing away basic social rules
Its not arguable at all, it does make people uncomfortable etc, that's why naturists use the far end of beaches or remote spots. If we could get a legal fully designated beach though we wouldn't have this problem as it would be clearly advertised/signed posted that this is a naturist beach so beware or turn back etc. It would also help to get rid of the freaks as we would no longer have the catch 22 as mentioned above. Quick phone call to the Gardai about the freaks and they'll be gone.
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Ridiculous that in this day and age that people have to associate all forms of nakedness with sexual desire. People should be free to be naturalists without fearing being perved on by the sexually repressed. It is not acceptable on a beach where women are walking in skimpy bikinis and guys in mini speedos, so it shouldn't be on a naturalist beach either.

Maybe there also needs to be seperate perv orgy beaches designated too
I agree, but it doesn't alter the fact that there are people who feel that way, and at the moment the law is on their side. I think that mini bikinis and speedos are sexier than everything hanging out anyway, but if people want to go nude, I don't see a problem, personally.
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I agree, but it doesn't alter the fact that there are people who feel that way, and at the moment the law is on their side. I think that mini bikinis and speedos are sexier than everything hanging out anyway, but if people want to go nude, I don't see a problem, personally.
You may prefer it but at least you have to show a little restraint when you are on a beach

As for the law not being on naturists side, surely being naked is less a crime than aggressive voyeurism and public masturbation / sexual displays?
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I am not arguing for or against naturism, I am simply saying that the law at the moment is on the side of the non-naturists. And also it is in fact possible to argue that some people may consider that it is the naturists who are being offensive. That doesn't make them right, but until the law is changed it is not possible to separate off part of a beach for naturists. The solution is to get the law changed, until that happens there is nothing you can realistically do.
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Of course anyone can go. Doesn't mean they can behave in a manner that makes people feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended. Why does a naturist beach cause people to throw away basic social rules?
Naked people make me feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended.

Now what?
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Naked people make me feel uncomfortable or disgusted or offended.

Now what?
And more to the point, it's illegal, same as having a peddle in public (not that I'm comparing the two acts).
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And more to the point, it's illegal, same as having a peddle in public (not that I'm comparing the two acts).
Just to clear something up, its only illegal if someone makes a complaint.
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Just to clear something up, its only illegal if someone makes a complaint.
That's really not how the law works.
Read the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994. I think it's section 4 or 5 that covers public nudity. The actions only have to be likely to cause offense. If a Garda comes along and no one has made a complaint, and he doesn't personally think it's offensive but thinks that some people might be, then he can constitute a charge.

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That's really not how the law works.
Read the Criminal Justice (Public Order) Act 1994. I think it's section 4 or 5 that covers public nudity. The actions only have to be likely to cause offense. If a Garda comes along and no one has made a complaint, and he doesn't personally think it's offensive but thinks that some people might be, then he can constitute a charge.
cant find anything in the act, are you certain about this?
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I've never been to the bit of Brittas Bay south of Mizen Head, but I've been to a fair few naturist beaches around the continent, and as he says what the OP reports is hardly a unique problem. Generally the 'meerkat' problem is worse close to urban areas (which in terms of access Brittas is), and in countries where the native population is quite conservative in matters of nudity (check).

For example, one of the worst incidences I've seen was at the nudist beach at the southern end of oh-so-crappy Faliraki, Rhodes - thus close to a built up area, and in Greece (where locals tend to dress and act conservatively, and generally leave nudist beaches to the tourists). There was a rotating population of voyeurs and public fiddlers hanging around in the scrubby slope overlooking the beach. In countries like France where locals are as likely to be on a nudist beach as furriners, or in Germany/Austria where locals considerably outnumber tourists, it never seems to be much of a problem. Spain seems to fall somewhere in the middle.

So it strikes me that the 'demand' side of the problem mainly comes down to familiar cultural confusion over the difference between sex and nudity, and the fact that this is pretty much the only well-known nudist beach in Ireland concentrates the problem. If this is the only place a weirdo can go to see real life nekkid folks, then this is where a weirdo will go.

Where the situation seems to differ from even the worst European example is that of policing. Every time I have seen a hint of a problem like this on a continental nude beach (including Faliraki), there has been an immediate response from the users. One or more people (usually large fat men) have marched right up to the trouble makers and asked them to leave, with universal success. This often extends to camera use amongst otherwise normal users too. It may sometimes be undertaken by deckchair rental guys or cantina operators, but it is usually just regular beach users, and never the cops*. Your average pervert is already confused enough, the sight of cross-looking naked men approaching him is almost always too much.

So without any direct experience, I suspect the problem is a lack of numbers and sense of community amongst the regular users - hard to generate with a small user base and so few suitable days in the year! It seems a shame to suggest it, but unless you're prepared to take these feckers to task,its probably best to avoid the place - at least until regular use increases to the point that there is a beach 'community' (which may never happen). As matters stand, it sounds like the weirdoes outnumber the nudists, so some strong deterrence is called for. But I wouldn't bother invoking the law.


*When cops get involved with nudist beaches, it's usually to suppress swinging/dogging/cottaging activities, which is a separate issue altogether, and hopefully not one Brittas Bay has to deal with.

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cant find anything in the act, are you certain about this?
There isn't a charge for public nudity per se, there's a catch all charge for offending public decency or something similarly archaic. I'll try and find the wording but it's something along the lines of "doing anything in public or on private land that is visible by the public that offends/disgusts or is likely to offend or disgust a reasonable person".
Now we can argue the toss of what should offend a reasonable person but the law allows no differentiation between walking down O'Connell St naked and going for a dip in Brittas.
That's my understanding of it at least. There used to be a good naturist Ireland site about that had a decent enough analysis. I'll try and find a link.
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Nude Beaches

I have to say I love nude beaches and visit them when holidaying in France each year and very much enjoy walking and bathing naked. My wife doesnt mind visiting them but not keen to remove her swin suit but has no objections to me. In France families are so easy with their nudity and yes they come in all shapes and sizes but they have no hang ups. We Irish are still thinking of the 'Sins' of the flesh and need to get real. As regards sexual activity a certain amount of it does happen and if there are lookers I make sure that the 'pecker' is looking in 'full steam' ahead. no use it looking at the sand. Must check out Brittis for some fun!!
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I have to say I love nude beaches and visit them when holidaying in France each year and very much enjoy walking and bathing naked. My wife doesnt mind visiting them but not keen to remove her swin suit but has no objections to me. In France families are so easy with their nudity and yes they come in all shapes and sizes but they have no hang ups. We Irish are still thinking of the 'Sins' of the flesh and need to get real. As regards sexual activity a certain amount of it does happen and if there are lookers I make sure that the 'pecker' is looking in 'full steam' ahead. no use it looking at the sand. Must check out Brittis for some fun!!
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